PRM commander

[Tykwer]

As yall know, the commander in prm isnt as useful as the one in BF2.
The commander's best ability is to find the enemy using his zoom and telling the squad leaders whee they are. Tonight there werent a whole lot of people on so I used the commanders zoom view for my own ultimate lone wolfing purposes. Many people already know what this looks like, but to refresh your memory i took a couple screen shots.
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3859/screen0165aa.th.jpg (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen0165aa.jpg)
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5919/screen0147dp.th.jpg (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen0147dp.jpg)

Redy told me it was cheating and although i dont agree, i did stop using it. What are the official thoughts on this?

[wihadmin]

It is not cheating. This functionality exist in vanilla BF2 as well. Redy talked to me in TS and I said the same thing.

[Tykwer]

It is not cheating. This functionality exist in vanilla BF2 as well. Redy talked to me in TS and I said the same thing.

Yeah, that was the same thought i had. The difference is that in BF2 the commander doesnt have the time to use this ability. In prm, unless the squad leaders are constantly asking for stuff, you're not going to get any use out of being the commader.

[Redy]

As always I'll abide by the official stand WIH is taking, but here is my opinion.

PRMM is a reality mod, the key word there is reality. I don't see the reality in a GOD view. Either the devs missed this, or most likely it was part of the code they couldn't alter. The main attraction of this mod for me was being able to survive through concealment. That cannot be achieved with the GOD view.

I'm thinking I may have to boycott this mod until the devs correct this issue.

[Redy]

forgot about the zoom thing.. that would have to go too

that quote is from Jan.

The main things left to the commander are organizing squads, dropping supplies and the max zoom(don't know of a way to disable that, at the moment.

That one is from Feb.

So they didn't miss it, they just can't alter the code. I went to the Dev server, and GOD view is still active. Looks like I gotta live with it

[Drayu]

While it may be a GOD mode, it certainly isn't as effecient without the use of UAVs. The UAVs in vanilla give you an indication as to where the enemy is, then you can zoom in and give all the info. In PRMM, you zoom in to a spot, but you have no idea if anything is there. If someone is hiding when you zoom in, will you see them? I think of it as satelite images, that is all. I am kind of glad there is something to use at least, I really like the UAV, but the commander mode is useful b/c of the view they can get. I think it would hurt the commander even more if it was missing. And, if the commander is zoomed in all the time, he misses the rest of the battle...so it is a catch 22 I suppose for the commander.

[Multiplex]

If this is a reality mod... then it would be more realistic for the commander to have to drag tons of equipment around to get near real time satellite images of the battlefield around him. At least a huge ruggedized lap top and a parabolic dish w/ line of sight (short range) or a satellite uplink kit (also big and ruggedized).

It's very unrealistic for him to be running around and shooting with it all that crap.

[Redy]

If someone is hiding when you zoom in, will you see them?

Yes, that's why the Dev team wants to get rid of this GOD view. Tykwer used this GOD view on Jungle Fever to rack up a 30+ kill game.

In my opinion only, it's not real, and the mod suffers.

[papasan9]

i played with the prmm commander as soon as i downloaded the mod and have known about the ability to zoom in, but they cannot spot them on the screen, only personally use it or call it out on ts/voip.

since then i just keep this in mind and take cover in/under buildings or try not to move when im exposed.

being still is the most important part of cover and concealment.

like drayu said, i just kind of equate this to sattelite imaging.

[Tykwer]

Yes, that's why the Dev team wants to get rid of this GOD view. Tykwer used this GOD view on Jungle Fever to rack up a 30+ kill game.

In my opinion only, it's not real, and the mod suffers.
I got 28 kills and 10 deaths on muttrah city later that night with out using it. Like i said, it is useless when the enemy is within 100 yards.
In BF2 when i was commander i would use the zoom view along with the spotted ability to give exact positions the enemy. I think you hate the details of BF2, redy, and im there with you on that one.

I was just thinking about what you said multi: If this is a reality mod... then it would be more realistic for the commander to have to drag tons of equipment around to get near real time satellite images of the battlefield around him. At least a huge ruggedized lap top and a parabolic dish w/ line of sight (short range) or a satellite uplink kit (also big and ruggedized).

It's very unrealistic for him to be running around and shooting with it all that crap.

and i had a thought. what if the commander had to jump into this thing to us the zoom mode http://bf1942.battlefield.cz/obrazky/bf2/commander/bf2_comm_radar_small.jpg

It would make blowing that thing up actually useful and it would limit the commander's ability to use it for his own personal use.