AMD jargons

[wihadmin]

Can you guys help me? I've been an Intel fanboy for years and years. I know nothing of AMD and how they mark their procs. What's a SanDiego vs. a Toledo vs. a Camry? How does the 3800, 4200, 4400 numbering system work?

What's the current generation of AMD CPUs? If I'm building a gaming rig, would I care about dual-core? or if it's 64-bit?

I'm looking at an Abit AN8 SLI ATX mobo.
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813127207

[DemonJester]

Toledo is the current core as of today. I would stick with either a X2 or FX series. I personally ended up going with the grand daddy FX-60 but if you dont want to spend that much money on a proc, I would suggest the X2 4400+ or 4800+ they are the same as the FX but dont have unlocked multipliers and a few other odds and ends. (If you are not going to overclock heavily, you probably wont need the unlocked multpliers anyways)

I would recommend going with a dual proc, even though most games dont use them "right now" they probably will in the future.

One other thing to keep in mind, AMD's new processors are coming out in June, now I dont recommend jumping on that band-wagon "yet", I do suggest holding out until then because prices on the current processors are going to go down.

BTW... Welcome to the "DarkSide" :biggrin:

[Bonez]

4400+ here.

[DoctorToxn]

3400+ Runs BF2 great.

[cecill611]

3400+ and 3200+ both run great

[Smurf]

Hmmm, one word: Conroe. Think that says it all. If you can wait a month or so, it should lay waste to the current and next generation AM2s. So, I'd really go that route.

Yes, go dual core. :thumbsup:

P.S. I really don't think there has been a CPU release like this since the K8 in 2003. (that is what current AMD systems are based off of)

@Demon Jester: AM2 was pushed up to tomorrow, May 23rd. Now will the motherboards be available, I dunno. Take a look:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2442

[wihadmin]

Hmmm, one word: Conroe. Think that says it all. If you can wait a month or so, it should lay waste to the current and next generation AM2s. So, I'd really go that route.

Yes, go dual core. :thumbsup:

P.S. I really don't think there has been a CPU release like this since the K8 in 2003. (that is what current AMD systems are based off of)

So AM2 is a new socket type for AMD. What's Conroe?

[Kev Kanos]

Hmmm, one word: Conroe. Think that says it all. If you can wait a month or so, it should lay waste to the current and next generation AM2s. So, I'd really go that route.

Yes, go dual core. :thumbsup:

P.S. I really don't think there has been a CPU release like this since the K8 in 2003. (that is what current AMD systems are based off of)

@Demon Jester: AM2 was pushed up to tomorrow, May 23rd. Now will the motherboards be available, I dunno. Take a look:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2442


If you want to spend $1500 on a processor. I have a 3800+ X2 and it runs anything and everything great.

To answer yoru question about the numbering system, ( I dont think anyone else explained it yet) The numbering system on the amds is meant to say how they compare to an intel processor. I have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+. It is 2.0GHz but they say it will do the same job as an intel 3.8GHz. That is what the 3800+ means. I think they just do it for looks but that is what the numbering system of the amds is.

[redish16]

The Intel Core Microarchitecture is Intel's new processor architecture. It was previously called Intel's Next Generation Microarchitecture before it received its final name. Core-based products will not be branded Pentium. Announced in Q1 2006 the new architecture, developed in Haifa, Israel, to be released later in the year, will replace the old NetBurst and Pentium M microarchitectures.

The architecture features low power usage, multiple cores, Virtualization Technology, EM64T, and SSE4.

The first processors that will use this architecture are code-named Merom, Conroe, and Woodcrest; Merom is for mobile computing, Conroe is for desktop systems, and Woodcrest, which is expected to feature the most cores and technologies of all those processors, is for servers.

Intel announced the architecture's official name on March 7, 2006 at the Intel Developer Forum. On May 8, 2006 Intel announced that the Core 2 Duo badge will be used for Conroe and Merom; it has been claimed [1] that the Xeon name will be used for Woodcrest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Next_Generation_Microarchitecture

[[W33T] Joker]

I would recommend reading this Technical detail if you are looking into AMD.

This page tells you everything about AMD jargons to Prices. How does it work. What is AMD’s Advantage, how much money do you need to put in for Dual core why is that? what the hell is dual core how does that work? it also shows you compare with each processor 3800+ 4200+ 4400+ vs Intel processor. why they are better then intel.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2484&p=1
also there is index link which you could switch to any part of this information.

P.S I would reccomend this website for any Hardware & Software detail you are look for just put that in search box and it will tell you about it.:bow: :thumbsup:

I went with Dual Core Processor. Cheap and Best

[Drayu]

Sorry I missed ya last night to talk about it, I got lured upstairs....and this time it wasn't just to get me to go to bed :yaya: But, AMD is the way to go!

[DemonJester]

@Demon Jester: AM2 was pushed up to tomorrow, May 23rd. Now will the motherboards be available, I dunno. Take a look:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2442


I do recall seeing that post somewhere but since I am not all hyped up about the release, I havent been following it and forgot all about it. Thanks for reminding me:thumbsup:

I know there is alot of hype about "Conroe" and alot of real results to back up that hype, dont get me wrong it probably will be the top of the line Proc, but do you honestly think that AMD doesnt have something already in the making or possibly even already completed that is going to best it, I mean AMD isnt simply going to lay down the gauntlet that they rightfully earned without a fight. I know there isnt anything in the Technology Paths to prove this but it wouldnt make sense for AMD not to have a plan to counter "Conroe"

Perhaps this is simply wishful thinking on my part since I am a AMD fanboy, but either way both Intel and AMD being as competitive as they are, only helps the consumer price wise, if AMD simply throws in the towel, then Intel could go rampant with pricing.

Just my 2 cents and thoughts

[Buckski]

Don't forget to consider Opteron 100 series (165,170,175,180) Dual cores on the 939 motherboards (usually get more bang for the buck and will generally overclock very well). The new AM series should adjust to the old boards, but I would wait and see if they deliver since they are supposed to run cooler.

[Smurf]

I do recall seeing that post somewhere but since I am not all hyped up about the release, I havent been following it and forgot all about it. Thanks for reminding me:thumbsup:

I know there is alot of hype about "Conroe" and alot of real results to back up that hype, dont get me wrong it probably will be the top of the line Proc, but do you honestly think that AMD doesnt have something already in the making or possibly even already completed that is going to best it, I mean AMD isnt simply going to lay down the gauntlet that they rightfully earned without a fight. I know there isnt anything in the Technology Paths to prove this but it wouldnt make sense for AMD not to have a plan to counter "Conroe"



Ok, let's go through all this here...

AMD does have something in the works, K8L, which can compete and should be available sometime in 2007. (Yea, little ways off, but better then nothing)

Here is the review for AM2:
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2762

In the last few days I feel like an Intel fanboy, I really do... (hey, I've always perfered Intel, though my last two builds are AMD X2s, really impressed with them too. It's just the thought that Intel will be ahead for the first time in quite some time)

Ok, with AM2, it fails to beat 939, so building a 939 still is viable, but I'd go with AM2 and DDR-2.

Now, why Conroe. It beats S939 and AM2 in games by about 20%. I believe that is a sizeable margin. (I think it is more then enough reason to wait) So, Drayu, I have to respectfully disagree with you. It should be out in July. Here, take a look at the benchmarks:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=1

Also, if you want me to reply a little more indepth about Conroe, I can. (4 wide instruction paths, reduction to 14 stage pipe, etc)

Whoa, WiHAdmin, just saw something you posted elsewhere, and if you can't wait till July for a new rig, go ahead with AM2. It certainly is not bad at all, just doesn't out perform current 939 models. Also means I need to take a close look at the reviews for AM2 Mobo's for ya. :)

@Demon Jester, don't worry about AMD, K8L should certainly even the playing field, unless Intel's 45nm Core processor has other major tweaks. (doubt it will though) Though atleast the next 3 quarters will probably look quite bad if you are a fanboy of AMD. (For me, soon as Conroe is out, I'll be anticipating the DX10 GPUs, then K8L, and not sure what I'll look for after that)


P.S. If something did not make sense or you didn't understand it let me know. Just saying this because I'm not sure how well someone else can follow that.^^ Little hard for to follow anyways...

[wihadmin]

So if I build a 939 system, can I use DDR2? What would prevent me from using DDR2? CPU compatibility? Mobo chipset?

[Smurf]

So if I build a 939 system, can I use DDR2? What would prevent me from using DDR2? CPU compatibility? Mobo chipset?

No, two reasons. (Also, that was the whole point of AM2. Since they cost the same, go that way for sure. Actually, that is really the only change)

1. S939 (S=Socket) processors have an on-board memory controller and it only works for DDR1. (It won't recognize DDR2 and couldn't use it either)
2. S939 mobos only accept DDR1.

Edit: Whoops, yea, that statement above is confusing, let me fix it.

[DemonJester]

939 systems wont work with DDR2, only AM2's will.

Edit: Smurf - you are too quick!!, You beat me to it.

[wihadmin]

That's what I thought until I read Smurf's statement about going with DDR-2. Anyways, I'm straigth now. :)

[Smurf]

That's what I thought until I read Smurf's statement about going with DDR-2. Anyways, I'm straigth now. :)

Yea, I really apologize, that was misleading.

[vortex19103]

I probably can get the new am2 boards if you are interested...
ASUS MOTHERBOARD M2N32-SLI DELUXE - AM2 NFORCE590 HT2000 DDR2 GBLAN SATAII PCIEX - about 250.00

X-treme Processor Power - AMD Athlon64 X2 DualCore FX-62 (2.8GHz) Socket AM2 L2=1MB x 2 - about 1300.00 each

DDR2 Kingston - 1gb upto 4gb (32bit xp will see only 2.9gb ram) if 4x1gb's are used unless you install 64bit xp...corsair is the best ram

Let me know if you need specfic items, I will try to get the best pricing and I provide 1yr warranty.

P.S. make sure if you go SLI - 7900GTX (no overclocking) eVGA, BFG or XFX with lifetime warranty and check out this 1k power supply

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/power_supplies/max-performance/
i've signed up as a channel partner and I get wholesale pricing...

[[W33T] Joker]

all this AMD talk makes me feel so happy:LolLolLolLol: keep it coming guys about AMD i love to hear about AMD:biggrin: :thumbsup: