OMG Another team stacking post

[EANeuspeed]

[this thread was split from the Uncle WiH needs you thread bc it was off-topic -wihadmin]

I think the reason the server loses players is because one team over powers the other. I mean I like to win, but when its fair. Yesterday I played best of and you had OG, FR, and W33T on the mec side(not the first time its happen). At the end I think the score was like 80 to 1050(or more). Wouldnt be a bad idea to text teams to switch to help out the other. Because I know when I start losing too much I switch servers. I try to switch when I know the other team needs help

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[Satanic]

I think the reason the server loses players is because one team over powers the other. I mean I like to win, but when its fair. Yesterday I played best of and you had OG, FR, and W33T on the mec side(not the first time its happen). At the end I think the score was like 80 to 1050(or more). Wouldnt be a bad idea to text teams to switch to help out the other. Because I know when I start losing too much I switch servers. I try to switch when I know the other team needs help

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Well its also my opinion that those players shouldn't have to be told to switch teams... as community members they should be setting the example...

[OG Escobar1]

Neuspeed said "Because I know when I start losing too much I switch servers" Sad ...... :thumbsdown:
Stick around I like killing you

[EANeuspeed]

LOL........*******........I kill ya more buddy lol. HAHAHA. I mean really if your on a 10 losing streak. I know for a fact people will not stick around. I mean I've seen text messages stating for example " Man this team sucks, Im out guys". There either going to the other WIH server or somewhere else.

[StevenNevets]

Neuspeed said "Because I know when I start losing too much I switch servers" Sad ...... :thumbsdown:
Stick around I like killing you
Sad 1 clan could't just switch :thumbsdown:

Only time I stack is the first game after reset.. Then I don't realy switch unless I've lost too many in a row or teams are even and I wanna play with a squad on the other team

[Ruci]

It's because you didn't have squad Ruci to counter. Squad ruci has successfully countered a FR invasion of 16+ FR's on one side! YAR

[Satanic]

It's because you didn't have squad Ruci to counter. Squad ruci has successfully countered a FR invasion of 16+ FR's on one side! YAR

Well there's no doubt you're an awesome player Ruci, but have you even played on a WiH server lately?

[[W33T] JimmytehHand8]

Isn't it impossible to switch even at the beginning of the round because of forced teams? We couldn't switch teams at all during the last patch.

[Ruci]

Sure i've played for a round here or there but i don't have the luxury time I used to with school now in full gear.

[Fovos]

well im not a regular poster in the forums, but i read everything almost everyday....usually i prefer to post when i have something important to say.

so here you are....as you say "when i lose, i change servers".....usually when i lose i try to group a good squad, people who actually know what is teamgame and try to win back. i dont just change server.

******* created OG cause we all having fun while playing and most important we know how to play as team. And im sure that goes for the rest of the teams out there ( W33T, FR ) so instead of running around like crazy trying to get more kills, you are better of, if you create a good squad.

If we are setting a good example?, i believe yes, we are! its a team work game, we create teams, we win. If you want to win and really enjoy the game, start playing the game in the right way.

If you suggesting, that is better to just change teams....its imposible just to move 6 players at the same time on another team, while the autoswitch is on.
so now go form a good squad , lots of good players playing at WiH servers, and you will see how easy and fast you will change your mind.
have fun and stay safe...when OG's are around. :thumbsup:

[Langalee]

yeah for real.

Amen Fovos.

If one squad of 6 is doing great, try to beat us, form your own squad and invite the best of the best. Dont get mad if a squad of OG or WEET is on the other team beating you, we are in the clan to work together and have fun. I was on the other night from what you are talking about, I was around for the 7 or 8 hours OG squad with the help of some WEET were dominating and it was a group of maybe 8 of us at most working together, that is not team stacking imho. That is good teamwork, and squad that knows how to get stuff done. its 32 on 32. Most of the time when a clan is working together you are going to have a hard time, sorry about that but thats what makes this game. Is it not about teamwork ? It doesnt feel right fighting members of your clan, we are brothers and must shoot people together.

My 2cents.

[Redy]

First of all, if you guys can manage to get on the same team in the first place, then I'm sure you guys can figure out a way to get on opposite teams as well.

Yeah it's fun to work together and be a killing machine, but I ask you this.

Are you guys ever going to get better playing against 32 poor shlubs?

I played on a clan once that thought they were great. They had a server and dominated any poor shlubs who happened to join. Then when it came time to ladder they got killed. I wonder why?

If you have enough to fill two squads, or you have two seperate clans playing at the same time, then split up. You'll improve your skills, and play in some closer games.

[Langalee]

there wasnt enough of us to form two squads first off, i was running my squad for like 8 hours, sorry for not switching on the guys that have been backing me up for hours. I cant dictate what the rest of the team does.

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and im sorry that we won so many matches in a row :flipoff:

I really feel bad that the group of guys we assembled beat everyone for one night and someone complained, lmfao!

[BytheGREENtree]

You can't please everyone ALL OF THE TIME. I've come to the conflusion that it is so hard to get the right teams sometimes. I was on after restart today and switched to mec b/c the teams were way in the USMC favor. Well, after a little MEC started kicking ass and then people wanted more moving to incur. Knotbad was on and asked a few of us to switch so we did, then the teams went in our favor again.

It's not as easy as putting person A here, and person B here. You can try, but BE PATIENT. After a little it usually evens itself out.

[tierlac]

Hey I like being on the winning team I have a War College Ribbon to achieve =P

[BytheGREENtree]

Hey I like being on the winning team I have a War College Ribbon to achieve =P

Screw War College. Worst thing ever...Just give me more gold medals

[aC.50|B>]

this may sound a little selfish, but i know i personally try to get on with people i am familiar with, not necessarily always OG/FR/W33T, but just people i've played with before and know i can have fun with.

BF2 can be such a different game from one round to the next, but having a kickass squad thats really trying and communicating, and more importantly, joking (your mom GREENy :P) makes the game so much more fun, win OR lose... i really dont mind losing as long as i'm in a squad with the fun people, it just so happens it doesnt occur as often when i am hehe.

but there's times when i'm on a team with no teamwork, and all 2/6 squads and people dont want to talk on voip or anything that the game just feels tedious and alone, and the one thing i despise in this game is seeing my name in blue... hell after over 300 hours of play, i think i have like 5 hours as a lone wolf, squads are where its at :)

[WINGCOMM]

Well neu i was the only FR on the Mec side so we can exclude FRs from the topic, but whenever im on the OGs are always on the otherside then the W33Ts. So that must of been a random event. Anyway the regs on the server arent the only good players out there so that shouldnt be a problem. I'm going to go play on best of looks like theres only 10 people there anybody want to join me.

WC

[frogbait]

I have to put my 2 cents in on this if you don't mind. Yesterday I was on WiH #1 and the day before that I was mostly on WiH #1 and the team I was on we had OG, FR, W33T guys and we were getting our butts kicked by a bunch of nobodys and I was asking my guys I wonder who is going to say we are stacking the teams. It didn't matter, we had are butts handed to us many times and there were several close fights.

People that cry wolf about team stacking should not do this all the time.
Most of these guys that have clan tags are nothing more than a group of folks that like to play together and not the all time map owning people you brand us of being.

Sure we play together, but we do get our rears kicked and the past 2 days have been some tight fighting on WiH #1 and then some ownage by one side or the other.

Also, I have tried to jump to the other side and like was mentiond it can't be done, unless you do it at a map change and that some times doesn't work.

Most people wear the tag so they can see their friends and join up. The past few days I had a mix bag of everyone in and not in a clan and new players I never played with.

I guess everytime the clan guys get their rears handed to them, we should come on here and say it wasn't fair that the other team had GREAT SECRET players with no tags and that wasn't fair they should join our side to make it fair.

Come on man, let's not get this going to crazy, it's only a game and people try to make it fun for all and sure one side will kick the others rear at one map and then get a reversal the next.

That is why it is a strategy and action game, if you don't work togther and use some tac then you will losse and the next time you play the other guys probably got his act together and they WIN. A GAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ICameISaw]

It's because you didn't have squad Ruci to counter. Squad ruci has successfully countered a FR invasion of 16+ FR's on one side! YAR

Talking about yourself in third person is hilarious. That's what ICameISaw says about that.

[WINGCOMM]

Yea i raise my hand i was there. Regs arent always the best

WC

[(FR)DeadlyMarauder28]

Yeah Im not that good, hell I suck :thumbsdown:

[Leadfoot]

Yea i raise my hand i was there. Regs arent always the best

WC

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[WhiskeyBarbas]

While it's true that the regular WIH squads are not always the best on the server and that even one side stacked with all the regs may not win the game, these points do not counter the fact that team stacking can be a significant problem.

Why? Because clan members are usually veteran players and thus know what they are doing. Plus, squads of clanmates will almost always play more effectively together than a randomly assembled bunch since they know each other's strengths and weaknesses.

Now how often does this detrimental team stacking occur? I have no idea, and thus it's hard to tell how rampant this problem is.

When it does occur, what is the solution? Redy certainly hit on part of it when he said that if a clan can figure out how to get all on one side, then they can figure out how to get to the other. Of course the nature of switching teams means that they'll get a -2 hit for doing so, and this small penalty can be enough to deter some people.

Also, it's often damn hard to get the server to accept your switch.

So in addition to player responsilbilities, I think that in the situation where you have a bunch of clans on the same side *and* that stacking is severely affecting the competitiveness of the game, that an admin needs to switch clans en masse from one side to the other.

Since all my game-server skills come from the Half-life world, I'm not sure what tools are available for BF admins to accomplish this task. If it's not an easy thing to do, then then we'll have to depend on player's policing themselves and the luck that's involved in the populating of sides.

[Ichi]

How do you determine when a team is stacked? Do you just look at who is on one side by the clan names? Do you go be how many rounds won? Do you go by score blowout?

I have been on teams where we had at least 3 squads with clans (regulars) and lost badly. I have been on teams that 1 round we had scored a blowout on the enemy and the next round it went the opposite and we lost by a blowout. I have played on several winning/losing streaks and then something hqappens and it is reversed.

IMO there are many factors that determine if you have a good team or a bad one.

Commander quality makes a difference, having a selfish or inexperinced commander can doom a strong team.

Maps, some maps give some teams an advantage, not all teams make use of it.

Pilots, does your team have good pilots, that are not just bombing but keeping the sky clear as well, or is half the team just waiting to fly?

My point is sometimes I think it is too easy to say stacking, when it is not always the case.

This last one I remember is my all time favorite. We had lost the first 5 rounds, when we had finally won a map, someone on the other team started screaming about us stacking. When it was pointed out to him that this was the first map we had won, he said he didn't know he had just joined the server :wallbash:

[WhiskeyBarbas]

This is why I said the stacking to worry about is only that which severely affects game competitiveness. My personal opinion is at least a 4 or 5 game streak of major blowouts (e.g. high 100's and 200's to 0).

Otherwise I don't worry about it.

[tierlac]

Ya I do remember the other night when we where on all on one side, we did have a good losing streak there. *shrug* It's not always one sided, but it happens, but I've seen it happen when it's evened out too...