WoW: Shelved My Priest... Rolling a Rogue

[Multiplex]

I'm dissapointed with the direction Priests seem to be heading with each patch release so I rolled a Rogue!

I played him for a little over and hour and hit level 12 and I must say I'm in love...

Talk about tons of DPS, its ridiculous!

[Mr. Saigon]

I'm dissapointed with the direction Priests seem to be heading with each patch release

Clarify?

[Multiplex]

I'm dissapointed with the direction Priests seem to be heading with each patch release

Clarify?

Thanks for asking... I was looking for a reason to get this off my chest!! :thumbsup:

The DPS on late game gear goes up with every patch and Priests... arguably the juiciest target in PVP has received no gear upgrades and their "big overhaul" was a tweak to Holy Nova (changed to 30 second cooldown... worthless much?).

When a Priests shield gets popped like an over-ripened zit by the assist train... their only reliable form of CC is PS (fear)... right? Not any more though since the addition of trinkets which have eroded fear into a crap shoot at best. Leaving you with one really dead priest.

He could renew of course but Priests are the only caster class in the game without a single buff or regen which isn't dispellable. Renew, PW:Shield, Inner Fire, and PW: Fortitude are all strippable with dispel magics and purges.

The devs argue that trinkets are on a 5 minute cooldown and that fear is only a 26 second counter if you put talents into it. That is a load of crap though because fights never last longer than 26 seconds... or at least that rogue or warrior is going to mow you down like you weren't even there in under 26 seconds. The devs also argue that Inner Fire makes a Priest even with a Rogue as far as armor... except they don't mention that you don't have evade, dodge, or parry and your "leather" armor equivilancy from Inner Fire will normally be stripped off you in the first 3 seconds of the battle.

Holy spec is a worthlessly futile expenditure of talent points. This forces everyone to spec as a Shadow Mage---errrr---- I mean Shadow Priest because there really is nothing in the entire holy line that is worth the point investment to get. In fact, by speccing holy you cutdown your life expectancy even more because you lose one of the better survival tools you have... Shadow Form (15% dmg reduct) along with Mind Flay, Silence, and all of the increases to shadow damage and range.

In short.. its a sad state of affairs and it looks like it will only get worse. The last word from the class team lead on the official forums was that the devs sent back a resounding "Working as intended." message except for the Holy Spec "overhaul" of Holy Nova... which was as I said before--worthless.

While all of the "Working as intended" messages keep coming back for Priests; Warriors and Rogues are getting higher and higher DPS gear, Shamans are overpowered to begin with, and now Hunter pets can be trained to resist stuff like... you guessed it... FEAR.

So... I went rogue for the win. Let all the other Priests be heal bots in MC because PVP sucks so bad.

P.S. To put it into perspective... Priests are becoming like Monks in GvG... they are hit by the assist train and unless you're getting healed by a properly spec'd Shaman/Druid or another Priest you are going to get chopped to bits in the first few seconds of the fight.

/rant off!!

[dbodenheim]

You can make this arguement for PVP servers and I tend to agree that priests generally would be a #1 priority there. As evidenced by Christina and me being tagged PVP in Ashenvale over and over again by an overzealous NPC ( not even a PVP server) We got our asses handed to us a few times now by the swarm of players aiming directly for me.

Now when PVP is off priests can be a load of fun, especially when you hit around level 32. I re-organized my skill tree to go all-in shadow ( the smart play before level 50) and am quite immensly enjoying the damage multipliers from some shadow talent that I cant remember the name of right now. The exact effect was something along the lines of 20% chance to do 20% more damage from shadow spells blah blah blah......the cool thing I didnt catch though was the effect stacks on itself and i know ive had it up to at least 3 or 4 in a fight. Me being the Mind Flay spammer I am its nice to see that damage acure.

In duels Ive had trouble with rogues and usually split 50/50 with them. Its a pain in the ass if they get behind you but thats the same with warriors too. There all trying to get behind any caster for the line of site issue. Thats the nice thing about Mind Flay though, its channeled so you automatically spin around to follow the target.

I played a rogue to level 7 ( didnt care for it much) but I do appreciate what rogues can do in instances. A gaming friend I met in the last few weeks is a rogue ( Styrax, Staghelm server) and he is damn good at what he does.

[Multiplex]

There is no doubt in my mind that Priests do well in DUELS however that is not really PVP... at least in my mind. I am rolling on a PVE server yes, but the only reason I want to get to level 60 is for the PVP. I can hit battlegrounds and that is probably where i will spend most of my time once I get epic gear. I have no intentions of doing instances for the rest of my WoW career... I never liked EQ, I love DAOC and that was a PVP game.

So, if you don't plan on getting into organized PVP and just dueling and grinding then sure... Priest is a great choice for you. If you go into battlegrounds, expect to be the first to die every time.

[monos]

if you think a priest cannot be an effective PVP Character you should check out what ice and saigon have done in the last week they each have owned many players this past week in PVP taking many that were higher level and coming out on top

[Multiplex]

My complaint is only at the end game monos, where epic and other late instance gear DPS is being increased and new insane items are being given to classes which already had an easy time competing with Priests. So, if you're looking to refute what I'm saying, use examples of people who are 55+ and PVPing.

Priest grinding and other trivial PVP prior to 60 is not the issue IMO.

[Kossori]

Priests are incredible in PvP late game. It isn't about the 1vs1 PvP but the group PvP and Battlegrounds. I have a lot of trouble downing priests by myself do to their damn shields and MASSIVE heals (with all the loads of +healing gear in end game). If spec'd shadow they can do a very good amount of damage. I think the whole trinkets thing is a weak argument over all. I thought it was a big deal at first but I found that most people don't even equip them in the late game because they have so many other more useful or passive trinkets.

The thing your saying about the new gear getting more and more DPS is true but you seem to be missing the fact that the casters are getting a lot more +healing/damage modifiers added to the weapons. While they hit you for more, you heal for more.

[ICEPICK]

Priests are incredible in PvP late game. It isn't about the 1vs1 PvP but the group PvP and Battlegrounds.


lol so true especially shadow lol

[Multiplex]

Priests are incredible in PvP late game. It isn't about the 1vs1 PvP but the group PvP and Battlegrounds. I have a lot of trouble downing priests by myself do to their damn shields and MASSIVE heals (with all the loads of +healing gear in end game). If spec'd shadow they can do a very good amount of damage. I think the whole trinkets thing is a weak argument over all. I thought it was a big deal at first but I found that most people don't even equip them in the late game because they have so many other more useful or passive trinkets.

The thing your saying about the new gear getting more and more DPS is true but you seem to be missing the fact that the casters are getting a lot more +healing/damage modifiers added to the weapons. While they hit you for more, you heal for more.

I disagree about the trinkets... and I disagree that Priest gear and spell upgrades are keeping pace with increases in melee DPS upgrades.

/me shrug.

I've put about 14 hours into my Rogue and he's already level 20. I can't wait to get him to 60... when my Priest is fully rested I'll wand/solo him until he doesn't have rest XP any more. If he makes it to 60 he does... if not then no skin off my back.