Teamkills

[Bonez]

The way I look at it, ALL kills(team or otherwise) are intentional.

you used the weapon in the intent to kill someone(you pulled the trigger), and in that train of thinking, all teamkills are more or less intentional because you were aiming at a target(somthing that can be shot) and you did pull the trigger(or throw the grenade), the target(be it team or opposite) was killed because the weapon was activated and hit the target and killed it.

and in that, even with the "classifications" of diffrent kills the one thing they have in common is the trigger was pulled and the target died.

[Persephone]

We had a heated arguement about this on teamspeak but its moved to the forums so please dont close the topic anyone. <3

Clearly Bonez you don't know the definition of intentional, accidental/unintentional. So let me enlighten you.

in·ten·tion·al
1. Done deliberately; intended: an intentional slight. See Synonyms at voluntary.
2. Having to do with intention.

un·in·ten·tion·al
Not deliberate or intentional; inadvertent: an unintentional pun.

ac·ci·den·tal
Occurring unexpectedly, unintentionally, or by chance.

Now..intentional.
#1: If you kill someone just because you feel like it or don't like them that is intentional.

#2: If you get shot by someone and turn around knowing they are on your team and kill them out of retalliation that is intentional.

#3: If you are at spawn and shoot someone in the head at the start of a round that is intentional.

Now..unintentional/accidental.
#1: If you are shooting at an enemy and a team mate strafes into your line of fire and you kill them that is unintentional/accidental.

#2: If you throw a nade and it hits a team mate with low life and it just so happens to kill them that is unintentional/accidental.

#3: If you are far away or in a dark area and see something moving or coming towards you and shoot at what you see and end up killing a team mate you mistook for an enemy that is unintentional/accidental.

#4: if you are running one way around a corner of a dark tunnel and a team mate is coming from the opposite end and you or your team mate shoots and you happen to kill them by reacting to what you see or getting shot at this is unintentional/accidental.

#5: If you are at the buy menu and use your mouse to choose an option and accidental fire off at spawn and hit a team mate in the head and kill them this is unintentional/accidental.

Just because you had the INTENTION to kill does not mean you had the INTENTION to kill your TEAM MATE. This is not an INTENTIONAL kill. It is an ACCIDENTAL kill. There is no logic in your theory that every kill team kill or other wise is intentional.

Having the intention to kill an enemy where an unfortunate team mate gets caught in the middle of the battle and killed you did not intentionally kill them. So it cannot be classified as intentional,

End rant.

[APOC]

I read the last paragraph of perse's long post and it said what I was thinking so I am pretty sure I agree with her whole post. If a guy runs in front of you as you shoot at an enemy and he gets hit with your bullet it is not intentional.

APOC

[Bonez]

notice, PULLING TRIGGER(pressing the trigger) is proof of intent. doesn't matter the target you fired, the target was hit and killed, it was INTENTIONAL you PULLED THE TRIGGER ON PURPOSE, you used the ordance, you fired a bullet you threw a grenade with the intent to kill, if you had no intent to kill you would not have thrown the grenade or fired the gun.

your mistaking intent, with motive

mo·tive
An emotion, desire, physiological need, or similar impulse that acts as an incitement to action.

it's not that they fired the shot, it's WHAT motivated them to fire the shot in the first place.

jeez, you can be arrested for criminal intent for just buying the equipment to make a model rocket, and get off by prooving motivation behind buying the equipment was not criminal. motivation comes before intent.

(used a word in the wrong context)

[APOC]

But the death of my teammate was not intentional, the motive for me firing the shot was to intentionally harm the enemy player.

APOC

[RiverSteve]

The question is are all kills intentional.

Yes.
You have a weapon and the purpose of the weapon is to kill in this instance. I've never played around where you wanted to run around wounding folks. Once the weapon is used you have proven the intent to kill. Now if your buddy dives on a nade or jumps in front of your full auto fire you killed him/her accidentally. But, that was not the question.

Your intent was to kill whether it was your opponent or your buddy.

[Blis]

OK.Even following your train of thought you can still get unitentional kills.Like persephone said when you accidentally hit fire or are trying to hit a barrel out of the way,shooting a window,nading lockers to block a doorway or if you throw a smoke and some poor guy with 1hp steps in the way.All of these by any definition would be classed as unintentional.
EDIT:I forgot to mention when you die with a nade in your hand.

[Bonez]

But the death of my teammate was not intentional, the motive for me firing the shot was to intentionally harm the enemy player.

APOCbut your underlying intent was to cause harm

the death of the teammate was a unfortunate, but it was intentional.

and a joke for you people that didn't read the poll before you voted no, read the topic of the poll

"are all kills(teamkills or enemykills) intentional"
so enemy kills are unintentional ?

all the people that voted no, are no longer allowed to shoot their gun because that would be showing intent.


OK.Even following your train of thought you can still get unitentional kills.Like persephone said when you accidentally hit fire or are trying to hit a barrel out of the way,shooting a window,nading lockers to block a doorway or if you throw a smoke and some poor guy with 1hp steps in the way.All of these by any definition would be classed as unintentional.
EDIT:I forgot to mention when you die with a nade in your hand.but the entire purpose for pressing the right mouse button(or whichever button you have bound to fire1) is to cause harm to another player(or hit an object, that's also intent). your motivation was not to kill a teammate, but you intentionally fired the weapon, threw the grenade, cooked the grenade.

[Persephone]

The question Was "are all kills(teamkills or enemykills) intentional"

So you're saying "are all kills(teamkills or enemykills) intentional" so enemy kills are unintentional ?

Uhm..no we're voting NO to the fact that ALL KILLS are not intentional. Pay attention to your own poll.

[Bonez]

The question Was "are all kills(teamkills or enemykills) intentional"

So you're saying "are all kills(teamkills or enemykills) intentional" so enemy kills are unintentional ?

Uhm..no we're voting NO to the fact that ALL KILLS are not intentional. Pay attention to your own poll.are all kills intentional, removed the bracket so it doesn't confuse you further.

and if you payed attention before pressing the button there is another option.

only enemy kills, retal kills, and spawnkills are intentional

[Blis]

and a joke for you people that didn't read the poll before you voted no, read the topic of the poll

"are all kills(teamkills or enemykills) intentional"
so enemy kills are unintentional ?

The key word in the title is all.To answer yes would be to say there is no such thing as an accidental kill

[Persephone]

The question Was "are all kills(teamkills or enemykills) intentional"

So you're saying "are all kills(teamkills or enemykills) intentional" so enemy kills are unintentional ?

Uhm..no we're voting NO to the fact that ALL KILLS are not intentional. Pay attention to your own poll.are all kills intentional, removed the bracket so it doesn't confuse you further.

and if you payed attention before pressing the button there is another option.

only enemy kills, retal kills, and spawnkills are intentional

Or perhaps I didnt feel that third option fit my opinion. Ever think of that? Retal kills and spawn kills are not the only types of INTENTIONAL kills. People can leave spawn and then go kill people because they feel like it too you know. Theres tons of ways to team kill.

[Bonez]

Or perhaps I didnt feel that third option fit my opinion. Ever think of that? Retal kills and spawn kills are not the only types of INTENTIONAL kills. People can leave spawn and then go kill people because they feel like it too you know. Theres tons of ways to team kill.and all of them involve intentionally pressing the fire button.

and if you wish to get really picky, even having the gun out is intentional.

[Persephone]

Or perhaps I didnt feel that third option fit my opinion. Ever think of that? Retal kills and spawn kills are not the only types of INTENTIONAL kills. People can leave spawn and then go kill people because they feel like it too you know. Theres tons of ways to team kill.and all of them involve intentionally pressing the fire button.

Intent to press a button and intent to kill a team mate is two different things. You are completely missing the point that because you have the INTENT to kill an enemy that killing a team mate is still ACCIDENTAL. You did not mean to kill the team mate. Especially if they strafe infront of your bullets trying to avoid enemy fire or run into your nade because they dont know you're throwing it or perhaps your nade bounces off something and back at you and kills a team mate. its still ACCIDENTAL you killed that team mate.

[Bonez]

i could walk down the street with a handgun, everyone could think I Intend to shoot someone, but my motive for carrying it may have nothing to do with even firing the gun.

look at friendly fire incidents in real life, they purposely dropped bombs or fired missiles but they did hit their intended target even after ample time to identify what it was.

[Mad5cout]

Bonez is clouding the issue by INTENTIONALLY leaving out the direct object of his sentences. When I pull a trigger, I am intentionally shooting and intentionally trying to kill what I am aiming at.

Example 1:
I aim at BONEZ in the game and pull the trigger. I have intentionally killed BONEZ.

EXAMPLE 2:
I aim at Persephone in the game and pull the trigger. Then BONEZ runs in front of my gun. I kill BONEZ but my intention was to kill Persephone. I killed Bonez without intent.

The same works for nades or any weapon.

However, I will agree that if I mistakenly aim at a teammate and kill him, that "technically" the kill was intentional and that the accident is that one inaccurately analyzed the person they were intentionally killing. So, in this instance the KILL was intentional but the fact that it was a TEAMMATE was NOT intentional.

So, when defining "INTENTIONAL TEAM KILL" you are saying that you that the kill and the fact that it was a teammate was BOTH intentional. In the above case, this is not true. Accidentally aquiring a teammate and intentionally killing it IS NOT an INTENTIONAL TEAM KILL.

In order to be an intentional team kill both the intent to kill and the intent to kill a teammate must be in place. Otherwise you are ignoring an entire half of the circumstances and intent of the individual.

My question for Bonez is: Have you ever gotten into a car accident? Made a mistake on an exam? You are arguing that a car accident is intentional simply because one gets in a car to drive. You are arguing that if you make a typographical error on a paper that it is intentional simply because you chose to type or pick up a pen. This is called a Logical Fallicy called Joint Effect.

here's a link to explore rules of logic and fallicies commonly used to win arguments:
http://dan.hersam.com/archives/2003/09/17/logical-fallacies

The legal system would also NOT agree with you. If I kill someone as a result of trying to kill someone else, they cannot charge me with murder because murder charges require motive and intent to kill. IN ANY COURT OF LAW, it is MANSLAUGHTER because INTENT AND MOTIVE CANNOT BE ESTABLISHED.

[Bonez]

The legal system would also NOT agree with you. If I kill someone as a result of trying to kill someone else, they cannot charge me with murder because murder charges require motive and intent to kill. IN ANY COURT OF LAW, it is MANSLAUGHTER because INTENT AND MOTIVE CANNOT BE ESTABLISHED.but in that situation, you will still be charged with attempted murder and manslaughter, in the end, you still get hit with a murder charge.

[Persephone]

Madscout, you have said everything in a perfect and logical manner. I agree whole heartedly. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Mad5cout]

AHHHHH but the attempt murder charge is ONLY FOR THE PERSON YOU INTENDED TO KLL. And no, it would not turn into a murder charge. It would be two seperate charges.

Eat it bonez... :flipoff:

[marcusforealius]

this is the worst thread I have ever seen, second only to the post your largest turd thread

Bonez- Do you have a point? other than the fact that you probably are the shameful owner of a philosophy degree? :jerkit:

[APOC]

I think bonez is just trying to confuse us all now so we will agree with him. I voted the 3rd option. If its retal, or spawn then killing a teammate is intentional. Ok lets just say (this is clairfication for bonez)I was playing CS and I was in a gun fight with perse, I was firing away and you drop off the bridge above and land right in my line if fire and you die, Did I intentionally kill you? no I had no idea what you were going to do, my motive since you like this word was to kill perse I had no intention of killing you before during or after pressing the fire1 button.

APOC

[Bonez]

AHHHHH but the attempt murder charge is ONLY FOR THE PERSON YOU INTENDED TO KLL.

Eat it bonez... :flipoff:you have to prove that you intended target was not the one you shot for 1, and in the act of attempting to kill someone you succeded, you killed a person, be it not your intended target but you DID kill a person which was your original intent.

[Bonez]

Ok lets just say I was in a gun fight with perse, I was firing away and you drop off the bridge above and land right in my line if fire and you die, Did I intentionally kill you? no I had no idea what you were going to do, my motive since you like this word was to kill perse I had no intention of killing you before during or after pressing the fire1 button.

APOCthe person killed themself, they jumped off a damn bridge.

but your motive was to still cause harm, in which you intent was to cause harm, and is also the reason you fired in the first place. if your motive was to cause harm, and your intent was to cause harm, and you caused harm(be it killing or not killing) you fullfilled your motive through your intent.

[Persephone]

I think bonez is just trying to confuse us all now so we will agree with him. I voted the 3rd option. If its retal, or spawn then killing a teammate is intentional. Ok lets just say I was in a gun fight with perse, I was firing away and you drop off the bridge above and land right in my line if fire and you die, Did I intentionally kill you? no I had no idea what you were going to do, my motive since you like this word was to kill perse I had no intention of killing you before during or after pressing the fire1 button.

APOCthe person killed themself, they jumped off a damn bridge.

Wtf. This isnt real life. Its a game. and NO you dont die in aztec from jumping off a bridge. especially if you land in the water no damage is applied to you. if you land in a team mates line of fire if they are in a battle below the bridge, and you jump off to avoid being killed by the enemy in the bridge room you are not comitting suicide and your team mate did not intentionally kill you. Stop back pedaling. Its become repetitive and ridiculous.

[Mad5cout]

I am not disagreeing with you that one would have "intended to kill someone". However, the legal system again recognizes who the person intended to kill when compiling evidence and when distributing the charges. If the court could not prove intent to kill for the person who actually died, its still manslaughter and attempted murder. MANSLUGHTER FOR THE PESON WHO DIED and ATTEMPTED MURDER FOR THE PERSON THE INTENT TO KILL is attatched to.

Bonez, don't become a lawyer.

[Rusty Umbrella]

ok my main points here:
1. Not all kills (be it team or enemy) are intentional - Ok the intent to harm someone is normally there (although there are times its not; i.e. im randomly shooting around for the intent of shooting around, and an enemy puts his head in the way...) but the thing that some people arent understanding is WHO the intent is being directed to. If you intend to kill an enemy who is standing across the way from you and you shoot him dead, you intentionally killed him. But if he was a teamate... you unintentionally directed your intent on the wrong person, thus nullifying your intent and making it unintentional.

2. Accidents do happen... you have to realize that there is stuff going on in real life as well and theres distractions or just making accidental clicks that could end up in attacking/killing a teamate or even possibly an enemy. now, this is an unarguable point in such a way that no one can predict an accident happening.

and i basically cant think of anything else cause my heads not working so well right now lol :wallbash: <--- too much of this maybe

[Grail]

Edit: nevermind, I suck at life :(

[Mad5cout]

Since Bonez is too lazy to go to the link i posted before continuing to use the same logical fallicy over and over I will quote it instead:


Logical Fallicy:

Joint Effect
Definition:
One thing is held to cause another when in fact both are the
effect of a single underlying cause. This fallacy is often
understood as a special case of post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

Examples:
(i) We are experiencing high unemployment which s being
caused by a low consumer demand. (In fact, both may be
caused by high interest rates.)
(ii) You have a fever and this is causing you to break out in
spots. (In fact, both symptoms are caused by the measles.)

Proof:
Identify the two effects and show that they are caused by the
same underlying cause. It is necessary to describe the
underlying cause and prove that it causes each symptom.

References
(Cedarblom and Paulsen: 238)

OR, Bonez and Persephone died because Mad5cout intentionally killed them. (In fact, Bonez and Persephone died because Mad5cout intentionally kill Persephone and accidentally killed Bonez, too.)

[Saur]

Ich bin ein berlinner!

<3 Saur

[Bonez]

if they didn't intend do jump off the bridge why did they. "they were taking damage".
then they intended to get away from taking damage. "but they landed in the center of a teammates gunfire".
the person shot did not intend to land in the teammates gun fire, BUT the teammate intended to harm someone and is why he is firing in the first place. "but he didn't intend to harm a teammate".
sure that wasn't his motive for firing but he did intend to cause harm by firing in the first place. "but that doesn't make sense"
it's called chain of events, in the end there has to be a motive, intent, and action without these the entire event would not happen in the first place.

back peddleing hardly, i keep proving the same point, you people just keep giving senarios.

and for the car accident, their objective was to go from one place to another, they could have taken the bus and avoided the accident all together. just like everyone could avoid shooting teammates in the first place by...
1. not shooting
2. not playing

[APOC]

Its late I messed up. Oops

APOC

[Mad5cout]

Bonez, I have stopped giving scenarios and have shown you Legal and Logical rules of debate that you continue to ignore and are unable to wrap your argrument around. Your latest post is no exception. I will give no more scenarios and challenge you to make your agrument not using a logical fallicy (which by the way make your arguments invalid).

[APOC]

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[Rusty Umbrella]

if they didn't intend do jump off the bridge why did they.
it was an accident...

the person shot did not intend to land in the teammates gun fire, BUT the teammate intended to harm someone and is why he is firing in the first place.
he didnt intend to harm just SOMEONE he intended to harm the enemy in front of him, so his attacking of the teamate that fell into his fire was unintentional because he was not the intent of the fire.

and for the car accident, their objective was to go from one place to another, they could have taken the bus and avoided the accident all together.
what if the bus got into an accident as well? its just that, an ACCIDENT it can happen at any time in any way.

[Saur]

Bonez, from what I can tell you're not differentiating a kill at all. From what you've said, I've been led to believe that you don't really have a team kill or an enemy kill -- simply a kill.

It's an apple & oranges thing really... A team kill is an apple, an enemy kill is an orange. They're both fruit.

Everyone is making the distinction between an apple and an orange and Bonez can't make that distinction because he sees neither -- he sees fruit.

Saur goes out to pick an orange because he loves the citrus-y flavor of a good orange, but he (somehow) accidentally grabs and eats an apple (action) -- satisifying neither intent nor motive through action. Saur exclaims 'wtf'

Bonez points out to Saur, "Saur, bro, you ate a fruit -- its what you intended to do in the first place, so you're A-Ok."

Saur replies, "Verily, my young padawan, I indeed set out to eat some fruit. You're correct about that. But behold, there are distinctions of fruit! Behold, Bonez, an orange and an apple! Both are fruit, but as you can see, both are quite different from each other."

Bonez asks, "I have another question then"

"Dip your cup into the well of knowledge and quench your thirst, my padawan learner," Saur boasts.

"r u a 1337 hax0r"

"...No."

<3 Saur

[Blis]

I think Bonez gets our points and knows we're right.He's just trying to antagonise us.

[wihadmin]

I think Bonez gets our points and knows we're right.He's just trying to antagonise us.

Otherwise known as "trolling".

[SoReal]

Also known as "Boneing" wait no that's not right.

[monos]

The way I look at it, ALL kills(team or otherwise) are intentional.

you used the weapon in the intent to kill someone(you pulled the trigger), and in that train of thinking, all teamkills are more or less intentional because you were aiming at a target(somthing that can be shot) and you did pull the trigger(or throw the grenade), the target(be it team or opposite) was killed because the weapon was activated and hit the target and killed it.

and in that, even with the "classifications" of diffrent kills the one thing they have in common is the trigger was pulled and the target died.

spoken like a true liberal who feels everyone is responsible for everything except himself

[Bonez]

I think Bonez gets our points and knows we're right.He's just trying to antagonise us.Otherwise known as "trolling".so teachers are trolls then.

only diffrence between the kill is the target, the intended and unintended target.

it is allways an intentional kill, and either an intended or unintended target.

[FozzyBear]

We had a heated arguement about this on teamspeak...........



Just in case you guys forgot. There is a MUTE button in TS. :)

[monos]

We had a heated arguement about this on teamspeak...........



Just in case you guys forgot. There is a MUTE button in TS. :)

yes, but i cannot alt tab out of the game to do this because of the crappy valve software that crashes everytime i attempt this seemingly simple task. here's to you valve :upyours:

[moldykorn]

......Are you people really arguing over something so stupid and trivial??






Yes, Mark. I think they are.

[The Needle]

Please don't feed the trolls. Lock this POS.

/shrug

[The_Professor]

This is clearly the dumbest poll i have ever seen. I couldn't even bring myself to read every single scenario. Everyone knows that the majority of the regs here tk teammates unintentionally and that's that. If some smacktard runs up to you and starts shooting you in the face when no one else is around thens it's on purpose. I mean really WTF is this poll about? This is a waste of space Bonez.

[Bonez]

Everyone knows that the majority of the regs here tk teammates unintentionally and that's that. If some smacktard runs up to you and starts shooting you in the face when no one else is around thens it's on purpose.so only regulars commit un-intentional teamkills and only pubbers commit intentional ? saying i don't make sence. it's just like saying because it's my opinion it's wrong, which is an unfounded bias.


I mean really WTF is this poll about? This is a waste of space Bonez.pers said take it to the fourms, so i did. place blame on the person that suggested it.

in the end it comes down to, all kills in a way are intentional.

[Mr. Saigon]

Whether intentionally or not, this thread is stupid.

[The_Professor]

Whether intentionally or not, this thread is stupid.

What he said

Sure pubbers unintentionally tk. Happens all the time. My only point is that you might only really know or at least have a good idea if a person is unintenionally tking you if you play with him/her all the time. This is of course short of someone shooting you in the leg five times from two feet away when no one else is around.

[Phenix]

A pointless debate indeed...And I had to listen to it on TS when it started..I couldn't concentrate on jumping off building and becoming immortal..HIGHLANDER!!!!!! RAWR!!! I roo YOU!!!!! Oh yea and perse with her OOLLIIOOOLLLIIIOOOOO!!!!!!! :D :hehehe: <3




CRAB BATTLE!!!!!

[wihadmin]

rmember that TS is for game comm. Any other discussions should be taken into one of the other empty channels. My admins will be more strict about this rule going forward.

[The Leviathon]

guys guys, prof, phenix you guys are missing the point of this thread. it actually has very little to do with teamkilling or teamwounding, or even cs for that matter.

this is an argument of semantics! (semantics is the meaning of words)
for example, if i were to argue that one cannot skip breakfast and go straight to lunch, (because breakfast --literally a break in your fasting-defines breakfast as the first meal of the day, regardless of when that first meal actually occured)

this argument is about the word intentional, root word, INTENT

Defined as:
Something that is intended; an aim or purpose.
Law: The state of one's mind at the time one carries out an action.
Meaning


Sadly, Perse is correct, some kills are unintentional (im not sad some kills are unintentional, im sad perse is correct)

Bonez argument, that the intent is present to kill, is irrevelant do to its overgeneralization. The intent to kill IS there, this is obvious, but the intent is not simply to kill anything, or whatever can be killed, the intent is specifically, to kill the enemy. therefore, as long as this intent is maintained, all kills of friendly persons are necessarily unintentional.

Legally, intent is extremely difficult to prove, as it can only be unnequivically verified by the guilty party, intent is therefore often ignored in legal procedings as a major indicator of criminal liability.

however, in cases where the suspect is known to be guilty, intent is used to prescripe the correct labeling of crime, and therefore, sentencing.

premeditated murder is MURDER 1 (murder implies intent)
unpreditated murder is MURDER 2 (murder implies intent)
unintentional but avoidable death is VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER
unintentional and unavoidable death is INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER

the concept of accidental death is based entirely on the perpetrators intent.

however, we should remember that in cs, the intent is, specifically, to kill the enemy. (at least I hope thats true for everyone)

[Kev Kanos]

First thing. Why even play Bozes little games. I am sorry if this breaks some rules or I offend anyone but Bonez is a 5 year old child. He always thinks he is right and will argue his side to the bitter end. He wont listen to anyone or anything. I should have never come into this post.

Bonze is wrong. It is that simple and I think saur said it best if you look on page 3 at his post. I voted No in this little game he has created. I know this sounds harsh but no one is on your side bonze. Read all the posts and no one agrees with you.

I dont want to sound like I know everything but Bonze is one of those people that would set off a nuclear holocast and say the world was overpopulated anyway.

[wihadmin]

Bonez: +1,000,000 points
WiH regular: -1,000,000 points

What are we on? page 5 now?

He trolled. You guys bit. Hook, line, and sinker.

[marcusforealius]

ride it in to the sunset bonez...you win

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/rbode777/penis20pig.jpg

[FozzyBear]

ROFLMAO

Marcus nice pic.

Seems like the beginning of a "caption this" thread



How about instead of ride it in to the sunset bonez........


Just



SUCK IT

[Bonez]

wow so much for administrators.

[marcusforealius]

looks like the bologna pony finally got Bonez to cry :yaya:

[Mr. Saigon]

This thread's probably gone on long enough.

[Knottwobad]

wow so much for administrators.

Bonez, you start a thread on a hot topic like team kills you are going to hear opposing view points whether you like it or not. If you didn't want to hear opposing view points then don't post about it.

For the record, Pers only told you to post on the forums about this so you would not keep tying up the TS channel with a fruitless argument and interfering with gameplay conversations.

[The_Professor]

guys guys, prof, phenix you guys are missing the point of this thread. it actually has very little to do with teamkilling or teamwounding, or even cs for that matter.



You are absolutely correct Levi. A poll in the CS forum that has hardly anything to do w/CS but more with the meaning of words. :jerkit:

[wihadmin]

This thread sux b/c it has nothing to do with CS while it's all about a play on words. I still percieve this thread as a troll. Locking.