Mortars

[dbodenheim]

I know EA has a lot of issues to work out gameplaywise, but this is tops on my wish list. "Noob cannons" are fun and all on the low end, "artillery" is fun as well on the high end. Wheres our happy medium! There are plenty of maps, Kubra Dam for instance, where Ive spawned at one flag---looked over at next closest base and seen loads of people spawning at the enemy flag. If only I had a mortar, curses! If there not going to make a "Mortarman class" they should add permanent mortar fixtures like the TOW and SAM sites. That would be LOADS of fun. A little mini-bombardment before your dunebuggy teammates rush the flag. Mortars will work in games, I think the Medal of Honor series had some.

[DinkyPoopStick]

DC had them

[The_Professor]

Yeah and they also never were able to fix them so they worked properly. There were all kinds of ways to hide inside walls while using them. It had been a bug for a long time in DC and when final came out, they never were able to fix it. My guess is they couldn't, so they just left it out of BF2 all together. :dunno:

[wihadmin]

I rembmer using the mortars in EOD and POE. I liked that weapon. do they still use mortars in the modern armies?

[Ramis]

Mortars in Enemy Territory = Spawn Camping Fun :thumbsup:

[Barumpus]

The ET mortars were fun. They made movement with one very slow and limited the ammo unless you had somebody to supply you. Once the guys got thier supply points it was hard to get additional ammo. If they could do something along that line it might be a decent option. Maybe as a support unlock with a cool down period after a couple shots?

[dbodenheim]

I rembmer using the mortars in EOD and POE. I liked that weapon. do they still use mortars in the modern armies?


We still employ mortars in the US military. There just more bad-ass then the old school mortars. Hundreds of US soldiers get shelled with insurgent mortars everyday in Iraq. There mostly bad shots though. The Taliban uses them. Im almost 100 % positive China does. The reason mortars are still around, unlike BF2, is vehicles arnt always going to be there. Infantry has to rely on infantry alot of times. Mortars are portable, so therefore there still in use.

And besides, in BF2 they would just be a hell of a lot of fun. If I had a supply guy with me, I might just be tempted to camp a whole map and rain down death where needed. Mortar explosions arnt that big so it would take some skill to get good with them.

[monos]

I rembmer using the mortars in EOD and POE. I liked that weapon. do they still use mortars in the modern armies?

do you mean in the real world? if so the answer is yes there is even a LAV25 variant that has a 81mm mortar setup on it, within marine infantry companies you have also 60mm mortar squads those would be similar to the mortars used in POE also every marine infantry battalion has a platoon of 81mm mortars that supports the battalion.

[dbodenheim]

What mortars in POE? Cmon guys I played that game like 3 months with you all and never once saw a mortar.

[wihadmin]

It was part of a kit, Engineer kit I think. Pull it out, deploy it on the ground and have fun with it!

[Multiplex]

The US Army has a job specialty dedicated to mortar jockeys. 11 Charlie... also known by us Army guys as "The Mustached Men" because 11C's always seem to have goofy little military hitler mustaches.

http://www.us-army-info.com/pages/mos/infantry/11c.html

[monos]

What mortars in POE? Cmon guys I played that game like 3 months with you all and never once saw a mortar.

i used it but without a spotter telling you where your rounds fall you can't hit with it effectively.

[dbodenheim]

i used it but without a spotter telling you where your rounds fall you can't hit with it effectively

Really? Mortars would seem to me to be an in sight weapon, though distant. your not mistaking this for the big artillery piece that is usually accompanied by "JEFF ! JEFF! Stop firing!!!!!! Were friendlies!"

[Barumpus]

Basically a mortar is a small piece of artillery that are used to suppress the enemy. There is no line of sight needed since you mainly just adjust the angle of the tube to increase/decrease the distance and point it for left and right. A spotter helps you make ajustments to improve your accuracy since you have problems seeing where they land at times. (May not be 100% correct but simplified enough to understand)

In ET, people could "spot" enemies and they would show up in your HUD. It was then up to the mortar guys to drop shells on those marks. ET made it easier since you could pull up the map see where your round hit letting you know if you were too short or too long. I think it could be a good addition to the game if used properly. But then again, your down to 1 base and the other goes all mortar and shells you into a loss. That in itself could become the end of BF2.

Mortar + area blast + newb mortar spree = time for a new game

[Multiplex]

I agree with Barumpas. Mortars have no place in BF2. There are already enough things to whore out.

[monos]

i used it but without a spotter telling you where your rounds fall you can't hit with it effectively

Really? Mortars would seem to me to be an in sight weapon, though distant. your not mistaking this for the big artillery piece that is usually accompanied by "JEFF ! JEFF! Stop firing!!!!!! Were friendlies!"

i guess having been on a submarine your entire military career, mortars would be pretty confusing for you. they are not really a line of sight weapon the 60mm mortar can be used at fairly close range however they are basically a large grenade so you don't want to be too close, but the 81mm mortars are more medium to long range weapons

[dbodenheim]

I guess ill just shut up then. :( AS soon as EA announces the implementation of MK-48 torpedoes let me know.

[LordBeer]

I thought the term 'mortar' had to do with the angle at which the shell dropped. I know they are smaller then howitzers, but I thought a mortar would usually shoot almost straight up and fall almost straight down so you could hit behind walls and stuff. I think I saw that on History Channel.

I guess you really wouldn't need them in BF2. The Arty strikes do their job quite well and you dont need spotters for them.

[Multiplex]

I thought the term 'mortar' had to do with the angle at which the shell dropped. I know they are smaller then howitzers, but I thought a mortar would usually shoot almost straight up and fall almost straight down so you could hit behind walls and stuff. I think I saw that on History Channel.

I guess you really wouldn't need them in BF2. The Arty strikes do their job quite well and you dont need spotters for them.

Mortars are typically small enough to be carried or worn once they are broken down into pieces. Howitzers are massive requiring that they be towed or air lifted into place.

Mortars have much less range much less explosive power on their ammunition. It may appear as though they are going straight up and down if you are on the sending or receiving end of a mortar shot... but it's really more of a glorified lob when compared to an artillery piece shooting something that's miles and miles away.

Mortars are considered indirect fire support though, meaning they can be used to hit concealed or fortified targets from the "top." It's still not a 90 degree down angle on the round though.