The shoe bomber guy.......

[atomicbob]

Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe
and tried to light it?

Did you know his trial is over?
Did you know he was sentenced?
Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio?
Didn't think so


Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.
Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.

Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say.

His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record,
Reid also admitted his "allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah," defiantly stated "I think I will not apologize for my actions," and told the court "I am at war with your country."

Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young:
"Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.
On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the other.
That's 80 years. On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines. The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.
The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just senten! ce. It is a righteous sentence.

Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or if you think you are a soldier. You are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You'! re no warrior. I've known warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were, and he said: "You're no big deal."

You are no big deal.

What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?

I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.

We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bare any burden; pay any price, to! preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always will.

Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.

[dbodenheim]

fuck richard reid. i would oz him in the ass every single night, im not even a member of the aryan brotherhood.

[moldykorn]

Patriotic judicial pwnage.


Nothing less.

[Bonez]

that guy is a nut.

but read this carefully
"You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or if you think you are a soldier. You are not----- you are a terrorist."

a terrorist is not an enemy combatant, so therfore they are not under the GENEVA convention and cannot be held as an enemy combatant(which allows them to be held indefinately as a POW), so they are legally a civilian and must be charged(like this man was) to be held for any amount of time over 24 hours.

now here's the interesting one, all the people "arrested" in Iraq(ones shipped to cuba, indian ocean, held in country) are "terrorists" and not enemy combatants, so they cannot be held without a formal charge placed on them(basically the same extent of a gulag) and holding them is a human rights violation.

now here's the REALLY interesting part, the people that are doing the detaning of these people(guilty or not) are going around saying OTHER countries are commiting human rights violations to their own people, yet ignoring the countries that are the worst when it comes to that.

in the end, this guy deserves what he got(mostly because he was dumb enough to get caught, and that he failed)

[FozzyBear]

Edited: to take out the personal attack.

I'll just say me and Bonez differ on our politics.

If you want to read some of his viewpoint, check out some of his posts in the "blue room" if you have access to it.

http://www.dslreports.com/profile/988991 His name is BonezX

[karl_58sow]

They are still technically combatants (he had a bomb and was going to blow up US citizens).. by saying they are not enemy combatants I think he meant they are ****ing low lifes that don't fight fair.

[Wibby]

All I have to say is "America, F*uck Yeah!!"

[moldykorn]

that guy is a nut.

but read this carefully
"You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or if you think you are a soldier. You are not----- you are a terrorist."

a terrorist is not an enemy combatant, so therfore they are not under the GENEVA convention and cannot be held as an enemy combatant(which allows them to be held indefinately as a POW), so they are legally a civilian and must be charged(like this man was) to be held for any amount of time over 24 hours.

now here's the interesting one, all the people "arrested" in Iraq(ones shipped to cuba, indian ocean, held in country) are "terrorists" and not enemy combatants, so they cannot be held without a formal charge placed on them(basically the same extent of a gulag) and holding them is a human rights violation.

now here's the REALLY interesting part, the people that are doing the detaning of these people(guilty or not) are going around saying OTHER countries are commiting human rights violations to their own people, yet ignoring the countries that are the worst when it comes to that.

in the end, this guy deserves what he got(mostly because he was dumb enough to get caught, and that he failed)


I dont believe the outright murder of civilians is right on any side.

He deserved what he got because he tried to kill innocent fucking people. I doubt any of those people he was about to kill had any kind of connection to "the oppression of his people".

[atomicbob]

bonez? While I've noticed he is a bit of an aggitator and sometimes a bit grumpy sounding, I never got the feeling he was anti-anything.

But you guys have known him longer so I'll figure you are right.

That said, I'm going to stay outside the political arena and continue my across the board ribbing of all things/groups/parties.

It does not pay to spar with unseen entities on any other front than "Yeah, I just killed you beeotch@!@".

Politics and religion have no end.

Each person "knows" nothing. All anyone "knows" is what they have become convinced is true, whether through reading or listening to others that came before them. They decide what sounds most likely to them and they believe it.

Whether politics or religion it is the same thing. It is a system of beliefs, and one that cannot be easily displaced once one's belief system is in place. Hence any argument is never ending. No answer is correct, and no answer is wrong.

Because no one "knows" anything. All sides of both cases are taken totally on faith and belief. (And don't start with me about science, etc., I don't argue these issues, I laugh about them)

Point is,...........well crap. I forgot the point now. You happy?

:jester:

[FozzyBear]

Point is,...........well crap. I forgot the point now. You happy?

:jester:

Thanks Bob. I needed that :D :fechtduell:


:beer:

[DinkyPoopStick]

Politics and religion have no end.

Each person "knows" nothing. All anyone "knows" is what they have become convinced is true, whether through reading or listening to others that came before them. They decide what sounds most likely to them and they believe it.

Whether politics or religion it is the same thing. It is a system of beliefs, and one that cannot be easily displaced once one's belief system is in place. Hence any argument is never ending. No answer is correct, and no answer is wrong.

Because no one "knows" anything. All sides of both cases are taken totally on faith and belief.

I LOVE it... On the forums Bob sounds like Aristotle or Socrates, but on TS he sounds like the guy that made Ned Batty squeal like a pig in Deliverance.
:thumbsup:

[Bonez]

guess i should label my tangents ?

that whole enemy combatant thing pisses me off, there are people being held that are one day an enemy combatant the next somthing else.

basically the shoe bomber is an idiot, not only did he FAIL in the task he appointed himself to do, but he also got caught, AND claims a connection to someone who would enjoy every second of watching the guy get strung up by his feet and lowered into a wood chipper(for lying, lying bad especially when it involves an egotist).


They are still technically combatants (he had a bomb and was going to blow up US citizens).. by saying they are not enemy combatants I think he meant they are ****ing low lifes that don't fight fair.then he is a civilian acting on his own accord, which makes him neither a combatant nor enemy combatant, and allows local law to deal with him in any way they see fit within their legal boundries.

[dbodenheim]

I LOVE it... On the forums Bob sounds like Aristotle or Socrates, but on TS he sounds like the guy that made Ned Batty squeal like a pig in Deliverance.


That is so on the money.

[Shinto]

Personally I dont care what you call people, combatant, terrorist etc. If you try to kill innocent people, in my eyes you have lost all of your rights. I think if you are a regular person not committing any acts of terror then you should not have to worry about anyone encroaching on your civil rights. So let those terrorists sit behind bars for the rest of their lives without being formally charged, I wont lose any sleep over it.

[Bonez]

So let those terrorists sit behind bars for the rest of their lives without being formally charged, I wont lose any sleep over it.even if they didn't do anything but be in the wrong place at the wrong time ?

[DinkyPoopStick]

Bonez remember for the last 2 years I ridiculed you for not shutting up? Well this couldn’t have been a better example.
NO ONE wants to hear how what they FEEL is wrong. I KNOW you think you are just correcting Karl’s definition, but he DOES NOT want to hear that. When it comes to Politics and religion, NO ONE wants to be corrected. If you HAVE to get your argument out there, state it as an opinion.

i.e.
Karl, I think that since he was a civilian…..
DO NOT, and I repeat DO NOT



They are still technically combatants (he had a bomb and was going to blow up US citizens).. by saying they are not enemy combatants I think he meant they are ****ing low lifes that don't fight fair.then he is a civilian acting on his own accord, which makes him neither a combatant nor enemy combatant, and allows local law to deal with him in any way they see fit within their legal boundries.
DO NOT quote someone and tell them how they are wrong about what they feel.
For example I just quoted and told you that you were wrong…… Don’t like it do you?

I know you know EVERYTHING…….BUT… you don’t seem to know how not to piss people off. So since you are soooooooo smart you should be able to use your god given gifts of pure intellectual superiority to learn from me right now, STOP correcting EVERYTHING and EVERYONE.

Try this sometimes and you might find that people don’t want to just tell you to SHUT THE F UP!!

[Bonez]

Bonez remember for the last 2 years I ridiculed you for not shutting up?allways thought you did it just for shits and giggles.

and sometimes i go out of my way to piss people off, so by responding with a page long attack, you have basically validated that i've succeeded in my goal.

[Saur]

Man, dinky musta got pwned some time ago by Bonez. Been holdin' that in Dinkz!?

Haha, I don't think Bonez is interested in avoiding toe-stepping, seems to play the devils advocate to get people to think x.X;

Still though, why not nitpick at him? He's made a few interesting statements himself... let's see...



in the end, this guy deserves what he got(mostly because he was dumb enough to get caught, and that he failed)

That's about as far away from the ethical questions he's been asking us to answer as you can get. He deserves what he got because he intended to blow up a plane of random, everyday passengers. It woulda been wanton slaughter. He doesn't get what he deserved because he was dumb enough to get caught. That's what teenagers say about pot smokers, not what adults say about terrorists. :O

Still though, our justice systems are never going to be perfect, but yeah... we can make improvements as we go along. That's the best we can do. And it's probably more than the detainees deserve.

<3 Saur

[Bonez]

in the end, this guy deserves what he got(mostly because he was dumb enough to get caught, and that he failed)

That's about as far away from the ethical questions he's been asking us to answer as you can get. He deserves what he got because he intended to blow up a plane of random, everyday passengers. It woulda been wanton slaughter. He doesn't get what he deserved because he was dumb enough to get caught. That's what teenagers say about pot smokers, not what adults say about terrorists. :O

<3 Saurwell basically, he had a goal, and failed misribaly at it, personally i would not mind seeing him shot(because that is exactly what would happen if he went to these groups saying that he gave up or failed), but what makes it even worse is that he didn't do anything to stop from being arrested(he could have kept a pill on him just incase).

if anyone thinks of doing this, the goal in the end is to die, there is no if's ands or butts about it. hell, bomb doesn't work, gun jams, that's what cayanide(sp?) pills are for. failure or sucess you are not supposed to get caught.

if that clarifies the comment.

[DinkyPoopStick]

Man, dinky musta got pwned some time ago by Bonez. Been holdin' that in Dinkz!?
<3 Saur
Bonez can't "pwned" my 4 month old daughter. I haven't held anything in, this is about post 50 I have written to tell Boner to SHUT THE F UP, or at least try to help him not look sooooo stupid. I have been listening to him spew ignorance for the last 2 years here and ninjaserve.

I had a part in my last part about Boner not being able to learn shit and he will undoubtedly argue my post, but I deleted it because I KNEW if I posted it he wouldn't reply to prove me wrong, but I new he would reply with an argument to prove me right. SOOOOOO idiotically predictable Boner is.

He doesn't post to piss people off, I do that, he honestly doesn't know any better and thinks he is sooooo smart he doesn't listen to anyone.

Easiest way to piss him off is tell him he is wrong, but it is more fun to write a page on how incredibly ignorant and annoying he is.

I played ninjaserve 2 nights ago and was on their TS, and the 2 hours I was on was about ½ game talk, the other ½ is people yelling at him to shut up, and that is no exaggeration.

[Saur]

Man, I got pwned. :(

haha

<3 Saur

[atomicbob]

Politics and religion have no end.

Each person "knows" nothing. All anyone "knows" is what they have become convinced is true, whether through reading or listening to others that came before them. They decide what sounds most likely to them and they believe it.

Whether politics or religion it is the same thing. It is a system of beliefs, and one that cannot be easily displaced once one's belief system is in place. Hence any argument is never ending. No answer is correct, and no answer is wrong.

Because no one "knows" anything. All sides of both cases are taken totally on faith and belief.

I LOVE it... On the forums Bob sounds like Aristotle or Socrates, but on TS he sounds like the guy that made Ned Batty squeal like a pig in Deliverance.
:thumbsup:

Actually, Aristotle said it this way....

"In view of these distinctions it is obvious that the one-sided
theories which some people express about all things cannot be valid-on
the one hand the theory that nothing is true (for, say they, there
is nothing to prevent every statement from being like the statement
'the diagonal of a square is commensurate with the side'), on the
other hand the theory that everything is true. These views are
practically the same as that of Heraclitus; for he who says that all
things are true and all are false also makes each of these
statements separately, so that since they are impossible, the double
statement must be impossible too.-Again, there are obviously
contradictories which cannot be at the same time true-nor on the other
hand can all statements be false; yet this would seem more possible in
the light of what has been said.-But against all such views we must
postulate, as we said above,' not that something is or is not, but
that something has a meaning, so that we must argue from a definition,
viz. by assuming what falsity or truth means. If that which it is true
to affirm is nothing other than that which it is false to deny, it
is impossible that all statements should be false; for one side of the
contradiction must be true. Again, if it is necessary with regard to
everything either to assert or to deny it, it is impossible that
both should be false; for it is one side of the contradiction that
is false.-Therefore all such views are also exposed to the often
expressed objection, that they destroy themselves. For he who says
that everything is true makes even the statement contrary to his own
true, and therefore his own not true (for the contrary statement
denies that it is true), while he who says everything is false makes
himself also false.-And if the former person excepts the contrary
statement, saying it alone is not true, while the latter excepts his
own as being not false, none the less they are driven to postulate the
truth or falsity of an infinite number of statements; for that which
says the true statement is true is true, and this process will go on
to infinity."

He was before his time.
:rockon:

[Saur]

Well then let's lay out some definitions for all of us to determine if they're accurate enough to encompass our meaning, in whatever context we use'em. GL HF

<3 Saur

[Bonez]

I have been listening to him spew ignorance for the last 2 years here and ninjaserve.nice exageration, 05-14-2004, year and 1 month.


I played ninjaserve 2 nights ago and was on their TS, and the 2 hours I was on was about ½ game talk, the other ½ is people yelling at him to shut up, and that is no exaggeration.i'll get back to that eventually, trying to not pass off as an *******.

[Nsane]

Personally I dont care what you call people, combatant, terrorist etc. If you try to kill innocent people, in my eyes you have lost all of your rights. I think if you are a regular person not committing any acts of terror then you should not have to worry about anyone encroaching on your civil rights. So let those terrorists sit behind bars for the rest of their lives without being formally charged, I wont lose any sleep over it.

I agree if you try to kill civilans and do harm to our country it won't bother me at all for them to sit in jail, in fact execution would be better, it would save room in jails for the petty criminals.

[atomicbob]

Aristotle drank more beer than me.

:hehehe:

[Nsane]

in the end, this guy deserves what he got(mostly because he was dumb enough to get caught, and that he failed)

That's about as far away from the ethical questions he's been asking us to answer as you can get. He deserves what he got because he intended to blow up a plane of random, everyday passengers. It woulda been wanton slaughter. He doesn't get what he deserved because he was dumb enough to get caught. That's what teenagers say about pot smokers, not what adults say about terrorists. :O

<3 Saurwell basically, he had a goal, and failed misribaly at it, personally i would not mind seeing him shot(because that is exactly what would happen if he went to these groups saying that he gave up or failed), but what makes it even worse is that he didn't do anything to stop from being arrested(he could have kept a pill on him just incase).

if anyone thinks of doing this, the goal in the end is to die, there is no if's ands or butts about it. hell, bomb doesn't work, gun jams, that's what cayanide(sp?) pills are for. failure or sucess you are not supposed to get caught.

if that clarifies the comment.
it sounds like you are on the terrorist's side

[Multiplex]

Bonez remember for the last 2 years I ridiculed you for not shutting up?allways thought you did it just for shits and giggles.

and sometimes i go out of my way to piss people off, so by responding with a page long attack, you have basically validated that i've succeeded in my goal.

That technique places you right smack in the middle of the "14 year old Internet forum troll" category. Congrats.

[GorroXXII]

I played ninjaserve 2 nights ago and was on their TS, and the 2 hours I was on was about ½ game talk, the other ½ is people yelling at him to shut up, and that is no exaggeration.i'll get back to that eventually, trying to not pass off as an *******.

Too Late

and it seems you are saying that what this guy did is permissable, and he was an idiot cause he got caught, what if he didnt, what if he killed all those innocent people?

[Saur]

Oh man, this is the most forum pwning I've seen in a long time. I've lost track of score!

It's like quadruple teaming or something x.X;!

<3 Saur

[ICEPICK]

I dont know if this forum has an ignore certain people's posts but I am sure if it did some people would be talking to themsleves......... ahhh the splendor of that ability..........

[Bonez]

has anyone else noticed that viewing the shoe bomber as an insolent failure seems to somehow get you tagged as a "terrorist sympathiser" i allready said the guy should be dead like 5 times over.

what, you want me to go down there and shoot him myself or somthing ?

look the guy failed, he made plan A and screwed that up and didn't make a plan B. the guy is no diffrent then a shoplifter getting caught for stealing from the same store twice. he was stupid, being thrown in jail is about the most lenient thing they could have done with him.

and Gorro, people die, no point in sitting there crying about it because it's a fact of nature, human beings have been killing each other since before the beginning of written word, sure the weapons are diffrent now but the reasons stay the same. food, sex, land.

[Nsane]

wow that is a very gim outlook of life ok your saying a guy kills your friends and family "oh people die anyway they would have died sooner or later" life is precious

[Saur]

haha, look at the horse thread. That guy died for sex.

horse weenies up teh butt ftw :(

<3 Saur

[wihadmin]

horse weenies up teh butt ftw :(

<3 Saur

That's a great thread tie-in Saur!

The horse was like :hump:. Then the guy was like :nuts: . Minutes later, he's :shock:. Then the horse did a big :hump:. And the guy was like :eyecrazy: . And then :bawling: . Then he :mgfaint: . followed by :angel2: . and the horse was like "I'm the :biggrinking:!" and then the horse :sleeping:

[Saur]

horse weenies up teh butt ftw :(

<3 Saur

That's a great thread tie-in Saur!

The horse was like :hump:. Then the guy was like :nuts: . Minutes later, he's :shock:. Then the horse did a big :hump:. And the guy was like :eyecrazy: . And then :bawling: . Then he :mgfaint: . followed by :angel2: . and the horse was like "I'm the :biggrinking:!" and then the horse :sleeping:

... ... ...


OH EM EFF JEE


... ... ...


I'm goin' to Sonic :D

<3 Saur

[Nsane]

OH EM GEE is right

[wihadmin]

This thread has officially gone down tube.

[DinkyPoopStick]

This thread has officially gone down tube.
by tube do you mean "perforation of the colon?"

[atomicbob]

You guys are killin me. That was kick ass admin. :D

[karl_58sow]

straight from LOAC , thank you



Unlawful Combatants. Unlawful combatants are individuals who directly participate in hostilities without being authorized by governmental authority or under international law to do so. For example, bandits who rob and plunder and civilians who attack a downed airman are unlawful combatants. Unlawful combatants who engage in hostilities violate LOAC and become lawful targets. They may be killed or wounded and, if captured, may be tried as war criminals for their LOAC violations.

and yes, i went through LOAC training less than a year ago.. so its not good to argue about that with me

I gotta edit this in too cuz I have no response yet...

To Bonez: you are wrong , quit arguing but if you want to, I'll be here to respond to whatever stupid statement... bottom line he is an unlawful combatant and has absolutely ZERO ****ing rights under geneva conventions..

In other words, there was no civil rights violation in this case.

[Multiplex]

straight from LOAC , thank you



Unlawful Combatants. Unlawful combatants are individuals who directly participate in hostilities without being authorized by governmental authority or under international law to do so. For example, bandits who rob and plunder and civilians who attack a downed airman are unlawful combatants. Unlawful combatants who engage in hostilities violate LOAC and become lawful targets. They may be killed or wounded and, if captured, may be tried as war criminals for their LOAC violations.

and yes, i went through LOAC training less than a year ago.. so its not good to argue about that with me

I gotta edit this in too cuz I have no response yet...

To Bonez: you are wrong , quit arguing but if you want to, I'll be here to respond to whatever stupid statement... bottom line he is an unlawful combatant and has absolutely ZERO ****ing rights under geneva conventions..

In other words, there was no civil rights violation in this case.

OMG...

pwned

[ICEPICK]

Come guys lets get this thread closed too :hehehe:

[Nsane]

:appz: :appz: :appz: :yaya:
yea this thread has gone astray

[Shinto]

Well before this thread is closed I would just like to give Bonez an answer about those who are caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. Airman First Class Antoine J. Holt, 20 years old, from Kennesaw Georgia. He was struck by a mortar while he was sleeping in his tent in Balad AB Iraq on April 10 2004. He of course was an actual combatant so no one questioned his rights being violated when this happened. I luckily was 20 feet away so I guess I was not at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Bonez]

if someone is caught at the wrong place at the wrong time, why isen't there an investigation and them set free(if they turn out clean)?

[karl_58sow]

if someone is caught at the wrong place at the wrong time, why isen't there an investigation and them set free(if they turn out clean)?

Thats the point of detaining them, Bonez. Don't you think its a little risky to release these Taliban/Al Qaeda captives. Anyways, they are still unlawful combatants and are not entitled to the Geneva Convention. They fall under a different category of treatment which is just a basic set of rules for detention of all people. It still allows him the right to a lawyer and being promptly informed of charges (which he was informed that he was charged with like over 100 counts of attempted murder) but thats besides the point right? I guess the bottom line is when it comes to groups like this its a lot harder to interperet the correct rules, but I know for a fact these guys shouldn't see the ****ing light of day for the rest of their lives whether they get charged or not.

[Bonez]

if someone is caught at the wrong place at the wrong time, why isen't there an investigation and them set free(if they turn out clean)?
Thats the point of detaining them, Bonez. Don't you think its a little risky to release these Taliban/Al Qaeda captives. so your saying that EVERYONE that has ever been detained by the US is Taliban/Al Qaeda.

hardly.

[wihadmin]

Now you guys are just arguing just for argument's sake.

Thread locked.