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Drayu
03-03-2010, 10:05 AM
Hey guys,
I am hot on the trail of the controls setup. I have cleared all the joystick inputs from the foot settings already and now I am onto the air controls setup. As I fix them I will post them here on the first post.

**If you use these controls you will be setting any controls you altered to mine. You will have to go back in and change them.
My changes in foot settings: (uploaded 3/3/10 @ 10am EST)
IN GAME VOIP: left alt --> B
CROUCH: right control --> F

My changes in air settings:
none
To fix the reversed Yaw and Throttle you have to go into your air.dbx file in "...my documents/bfbc2/input/air.dbx" In that file you have to alter two lines:
1. using wordpad open the air.dbx
2. search for " IDA_Axis1X " and make sure it is under the field for "ConceptMoveFB"
3. Change the following line " <field name="ScaleValue">1</field> " to " <field name="ScaleValue">-1</field> "
4. Search for " IDA_Axis1Y " and make sure it is under the field for " ConceptYaw "
5. Change the following line " <field name="ScaleValue">1</field> " to " <field name="ScaleValue">-1</field> "

I have added my air.dbx below, but it is for the x52. So, if you have the x52 feel free to use it.

Drayu
03-03-2010, 11:07 AM
Ok, well I got the following sorted for sure:
Infantry.dbx
land.dbx

I removed the joystick settings from those two tabs and mapped just the mouse and keyboard controls.

I have edited the air.dbx as well, but I can't get into the game to try it out. I am still getting network lost errors :(

Ruci
03-03-2010, 11:10 AM
The friggin worst button is the middle mouse button for melee. I changed that to V. Stupid thing is though I haven't figured how to just delete a button setting from in game.

PS: I set it to the back browser window button the mouse instead

Drayu
03-03-2010, 11:25 AM
you can't delete a button from the game without editing it or setting it to another location and then resetting it. Stupid yes. Which do you want to delete?

Drayu
03-03-2010, 12:25 PM
ok, I think believe it is all sorted out, but can't be sure till I can log in and try.

papasan9
03-03-2010, 12:46 PM
all you have to do to get rid of the air controls where you dont want them is... for every joystick control, map it to the trigger. everytime you reproduce that action it deletes the former preset. in the end you only have one control preset to the trigger which takes care of all the weird joystick-movement issues while on foot and in armor.

DarkgeneralXXX
03-03-2010, 02:24 PM
Ok I Have Your Infantry.DBX Installed....

Anyone Know How To Get The Mouse And Keyboard Working Properly?

I Have The Retail version(Patched To The Latest)

W,S,A,D And The Mouse Are Acting Very Weird...

Look Up Is Also Look Down When I Use The Mouse And WS Are Strafe etc...

It's All Messed Up, I Would Greatly Thank Anyone For Some Help...

Drayu
03-03-2010, 02:51 PM
been working on the x52 joystick axis problem all day with no avail. I will post up my other settings later.

EdrrakNolat
03-04-2010, 10:18 AM
Speaking of controls, am I just blind, or is there no way to change crouch to toggle.

Drayu
03-04-2010, 11:14 AM
there is no toggle crouch sorry.

Drayu
03-06-2010, 12:14 AM
Ok, fixed! See first post

Kernel Error
03-06-2010, 07:54 PM
does anyone know if there is a way to toggle crouch? I start getting hand cramps after a little while of trying to be sneaky.

Drayu
03-06-2010, 09:10 PM
Set it to a macro on a mouse or keyboard or gaming pad.

FiLTHY_SNiPER
03-07-2010, 11:23 AM
Set it to a macro on a mouse or keyboard or gaming pad.

No idea how to do that...

Drayu
03-07-2010, 11:23 AM
you have to have a mouse or keyboard that could do that :) Like a gaming keyboard or mouse or gamepad.

Hellcat
03-07-2010, 02:43 PM
Will the air.dbx only change air settings?

Hey guys,
I am hot on the trail of the controls setup. I have cleared all the joystick inputs from the foot settings already and now I am onto the air controls setup. As I fix them I will post them here on the first post.

**If you use these controls you will be setting any controls you altered to mine. You will have to go back in and change them.
My changes in foot settings: (uploaded 3/3/10 @ 10am EST)
IN GAME VOIP: left alt --> B
CROUCH: right control --> F

My changes in air settings:
none
To fix the reversed Yaw and Throttle you have to go into your air.dbx file in "...my documents/bfbc2/input/air.dbx" In that file you have to alter two lines:
1. using wordpad open the air.dbx
2. search for " IDA_Axis1X " and make sure it is under the field for "ConceptMoveFB"
3. Change the following line " <field name="ScaleValue">1</field> " to " <field name="ScaleValue">-1</field> "
4. Search for " IDA_Axis1Y " and make sure it is under the field for " ConceptYaw "
5. Change the following line " <field name="ScaleValue">1</field> " to " <field name="ScaleValue">-1</field> "

I have added my air.dbx below, but it is for the x52. So, if you have the x52 feel free to use it.

Fox7rot
03-07-2010, 02:50 PM
you have to have a mouse or keyboard that could do that :) Like a gaming keyboard or mouse or gamepad.

You actually don't need to have a macro enabled keyboard. You can download and install a program called Autohotkey http://www.autohotkey.com/. With this you can make scripts that can enable you to do different things with the keyboard.

Please not that this is the program that enabled people to dolphin dive in BF2 so well. They mapped 3 different keys to one button which is what made it so effective. I'm trying to figure out how to make scripts so I can toggle crouch and make my spot while shooting.

EdrrakNolat
03-07-2010, 03:07 PM
Not sure if this is a control setting or not, but has anyone else noticed you can spot only once every 20-30 seconds? I remember the old BF games you could just keep spotting all game, but in this it doesnt seem you can?

Fox7rot
03-07-2010, 03:28 PM
Not sure if this is a control setting or not, but has anyone else noticed you can spot only once every 20-30 seconds? I remember the old BF games you could just keep spotting all game, but in this it doesnt seem you can?

Yeah the spotting seems a bit off. Sometimes is works sometimes it doesn't. For me there doesn't seem to be a time limit in-between the spottings.

Indignant
03-08-2010, 10:24 PM
Anyone using a nostromo speed pad with the saitek x52? I cant get BC2 to even see the stick at all.

Drayu
03-08-2010, 11:44 PM
really? is that the only other controller you have plugged in? If so, it seems similar to the BF1942 issue.

Drayu
03-10-2010, 01:46 PM
stickied this for now until they get it fixed with a patch.

bbrain
03-12-2010, 06:47 PM
Hi,

@Drayu: Thanks, Working fine with my Saitek Cyborg EVO!

Br, bbr.

Drayu
03-13-2010, 05:02 AM
So the above file works with the Evo too, thanks for confirming!

Surgos
03-15-2010, 08:50 PM
i was wanting to set my controller up to use as infintray i used your settings except for air because it wasnt blank where the controlls an stuff are like the other 2 how do i make it blank so i can set mine up for just infantry?

Drayu
03-15-2010, 09:21 PM
Hey there,
you want to delete the axis in the air column?

easy way is to go into the settings and set everything to one key. It will keep overwriting the other bindings so that you have only one key bound.

that is the easy way.

the hard way is to go into the air.dbx and delete all the IDA_Axis settings.

Surgos
03-16-2010, 01:20 AM
ok i removed all of the IDA_Axis and cleard all but the cary top one which i changes to a button i wont use now the only problem is when i go to turn my charicter left he turns right an when i got right he goes left other than that everything seems to be working perfect any idea what to do with that?

Drayu
03-16-2010, 06:22 AM
if you are using the joystick for movement, then you need to go back into the air.dbx and switch the scale value from 1 to -1 to invert the joystick (see first post).

Oh....and Welcome to War is Hell Gaming!

Surgos
03-16-2010, 08:19 PM
thanks for the help but no luck on my end probly done something wrong lol oh well ill just stick with keyboard lol an by the way great servers i play on the rush ones alot

Drayu
03-16-2010, 08:27 PM
Surgos,
zip up all your files into one folder and upload them. Tell me exactly what you want and I will edit them for you :)

Surgos
03-17-2010, 05:33 AM
i want it to where when i select the options to set my controlls in the game blank so that when i set them on the infintry settings i can use a controller to play while running around as a guy if that makes sence and whre it wont turn right when i press left an vice versa lol an the controller im useing is a game-elements gemini recoil GGE908 anyway thanks alot for the help but if its to much trouble man dont worrie about it lol

Drayu
03-17-2010, 08:28 AM
working on the files now :)

Drayu
03-17-2010, 08:46 AM
ok, took a minute here at work and made you a blank canvas of the controls.

back yours up first, then install these if you want to start from nothing and bind everything yourself. IF not, you will have to wait till tonight :(

alpha9
03-17-2010, 10:53 AM
guys i unplugged joystick and tried to replaced files nothing is working please help

Drayu
03-17-2010, 10:54 AM
Hey alpha, welcome to the forums! What joystick are you using?

Surgos
03-17-2010, 11:32 AM
thanks Drayu

Kibe
03-17-2010, 02:57 PM
Hey, I used the air settings of you, and yaw turning works now. However, the Throttle. I cannot get it working with my joystick buttons. Logitech force 3d pro is my joystick and if someone would be able to fix that or tell me how to fix it..<3.

www.saunalahti.fi/kimmoman/air.rar

Drayu
03-17-2010, 03:41 PM
Hey Kibe, thanks for stopping by War is Hell Gaming. The throttle as you know does not work with the logitechs, but binding a button to ascend and descend should work. If you go into your air settings, you can not click on a box to set the key and then hit a button?

Kibe
03-17-2010, 04:40 PM
Sure I can. However, those keys do nothing. If u check the file, there's keys for throttle. Still, only w and s are doing the job. It's weird, those joystick keys working for throttle, when I use default air file, but then yaw is messed up. And when I use your file, yaw is fine but joystick keys doesnt work :bawling:

Drayu
03-17-2010, 07:46 PM
Hey Kibe,

Try this one and let me know.

Kibe
03-18-2010, 02:09 AM
Thanks a lot m8! Working now.

Drayu
03-18-2010, 06:23 AM
not a prob, great to hear! Hope to see you on our servers so I can get a new dog tag :rockon:

Fakum
03-19-2010, 03:09 PM
I have a Cougar HOTAS, I have managed to program all the functions I wish to use, but I can not for some reason get the "free look" to work properly on any button I assign it too on the Cougar, even if I re assign it on the keyboard. It does however work fine pressing the keyboard button?

Drayu
03-20-2010, 07:08 AM
Hey Fakum,
I haven't gotten into that part of setting up the stick yet, but I can look into it.

Oh, and Welcome to the community.

Fakum
03-20-2010, 09:51 AM
Thank you for your assistance,,and for the welcome.

Drayu
03-20-2010, 12:45 PM
carry over from our PM's:
I put your air in and still cannot use my controls to fly am I doing something wrong, thanks for the help



are you using any other gaming device like a gaming pad/mouse/keyboard? If so, try my air.dbx with those controllers unplugged.I am using cyborg keyboard and logetech mx 518 mouse not sure what to do. Sorry too bother you but really like the x 52 joystick Thanks again

outlaws169
03-20-2010, 03:21 PM
I am using windows 7 64 bit thanks

Drayu
03-20-2010, 03:46 PM
okay, go into control panel and look for gaming controllers. See what is listed there. IF it is only the X52 then there has to be something else getting in the way.

Just a thought, try unplugging the Cyborg and use a standard keyboard to see what happens.

F1SSH
03-21-2010, 07:07 PM
would this also work for the x52pro Drayu ??

Drayu
03-21-2010, 07:30 PM
It should work fine. The axis are all the same. Let me know if it does or not if you don't mind.

Also, Welcome to War is Hell Gaming! Hope you stay awhile, I need more dog tags :)

Fakum
03-21-2010, 07:43 PM
Anyone else here use a Cougar HOTAS?

xplicit702
03-22-2010, 08:24 PM
How do I switch the VOIP button from the default of L. Alt to something else? Which file do I need to edit for this?

Drayu
03-22-2010, 08:26 PM
If you want it at default then go into your air setup and click the button you want to change :)

outlaws169
03-23-2010, 10:59 AM
Hey drayu I plugged a differant keyboard in and when I go to options in bad company 2 to air i try and set any buttons or controls for the x 52 it will not let me change a thing. I must be doing something wrong please help Thanks Digger

Drayu
03-23-2010, 11:27 AM
ok, with a different keyboard plugged in. Reinstall my air.dbx fix. get in game and try.

don't try to set anything in game. just through my air.dbx fix.

outlaws169
03-23-2010, 03:18 PM
thanks alot for everything all is well Keep up the good work

Drayu
03-23-2010, 06:56 PM
So how did you get it to work?

outlaws169
03-24-2010, 09:16 AM
unplugged my fang gamepad and logitec controller and got into options controls and set all buttons in air, Thanks again

bugler
03-27-2010, 01:14 PM
Hey guys,
I am hot on the trail of the controls setup. I have cleared all the joystick inputs from the foot settings already and now I am onto the air controls setup. As I fix them I will post them here on the first post.

**If you use these controls you will be setting any controls you altered to mine. You will have to go back in and change them.
My changes in foot settings: (uploaded 3/3/10 @ 10am EST)
IN GAME VOIP: left alt --> B
CROUCH: right control --> F

My changes in air settings:
none
To fix the reversed Yaw and Throttle you have to go into your air.dbx file in "...my documents/bfbc2/input/air.dbx" In that file you have to alter two lines:
1. using wordpad open the air.dbx
2. search for " IDA_Axis1X " and make sure it is under the field for "ConceptMoveFB"
3. Change the following line " <field name="ScaleValue">1</field> " to " <field name="ScaleValue">-1</field> "
4. Search for " IDA_Axis1Y " and make sure it is under the field for " ConceptYaw "
5. Change the following line " <field name="ScaleValue">1</field> " to " <field name="ScaleValue">-1</field> "

I have added my air.dbx below, but it is for the x52. So, if you have the x52 feel free to use it.


Hello Drayu. I started looking for a profile for the Saitek x52 for Bad Company2 and started seeing your name all over the place. I finally followed you here. Thank you in advance for your work.

I run Win 7-64 bit. Just purchased Bad Company2 from Steam. I purchased the x52 several years ago but stopped gaming and have not used it before.

Are the links for air, infantry and land that you posted here still valid. You discussed making changes from early March after you first posted it, so I wanted to verify these are current and that I just need to copy them into my game folder.

Can you confirm? I have already downloaded the latest Win 7-64bit drivers from Saitek.

Thank you..........Bugler

Drayu
03-27-2010, 05:54 PM
yeah, you can use these. I usually update them when I make something new :)

bugler
03-28-2010, 01:24 AM
Thank you.

ReadyFireAim
04-03-2010, 11:30 AM
I'm interested in how to configure the x52 pro for controlling the infantry as well.. I've looked at the dbx files and before I shoot my foot off I figure I'd better ask for help about how modify land.dbx;
Thanks
-jim

Drayu
04-03-2010, 11:34 AM
First, Welcome to War is Hell Gaming.

So, what are you looking to do? You can use the land.dbx in the first post and then just go into your controls in game and set the axis as you like. At that point, we will probably need to adjust some settings...but start there.

[GOD] Retroactive88
04-03-2010, 11:48 AM
Plaid_retina finds us all kinds of BF hotfixes and such. This is one for mouse settings fix: http://www.filefront.com/15988283/BFBC2MouseFix-1.1.exe/

Hellcat
04-03-2010, 02:13 PM
Retroactive88;325561']Plaid_retina finds us all kinds of BF hotfixes and such. This is one for mouse settings fix: http://www.filefront.com/15988283/BFBC2MouseFix-1.1.exe/

Checking this out now, thanks for the info!

ReadyFireAim
04-04-2010, 11:07 AM
I believe the problem is that bfbc2 isnt recognizing my axis on the x52pro. If I load your dbx, and then select on foot, I can change mouse axis, but when I click a joystick item, bfbc2 never seems to see the axis movement..

I'm running win7 x64, and I do have a logitech G13 which is unplugged when I try this; I'm also running bfbc2 from steam, and I have not loaded any profile into the x52 (I assumed I didnt have to);

Does bfbc2 have a limit on the # of axis it looks for? (ie is my g13 getting in the way in this test?)
Thanks

Drayu
04-04-2010, 11:44 AM
it does have a limit to axis, but not over all...only to the number on the joystick. I can try it when I get home later as right now we are off to easter dinner.

Hellcat
04-04-2010, 09:24 PM
As an FYI to everyone I've found that Retro's mouse fix file seems to really have helped out with some of the mouse issues I've run into. I've noticed it particularly on MG in a tank, and as the shooter in the chopper.

ReadyFireAim
04-08-2010, 09:19 AM
Is there a program I can run which will show me all the available axis' on my system(so I can see the joystick mappings)? I know I can run msft SimX, or xplane and they see the x52pro..

Drayu
04-08-2010, 09:37 AM
right in the control panel you should be able to see all your axis.

wonheejo
04-29-2010, 05:11 AM
hi i have a problem with my keyboard and mouse. like my gun or knife always keeps on looking at the skies no matter how i turn the mouse around and my keyboard even though i press 'a' or 's' goes front and right only... can anyone help me plz?

Drayu
04-29-2010, 06:16 AM
what other devices do you have plugged in? Try unplugging all devices except keyboard and mouse. What kind of keyboard and mouse do you have?

wonheejo
04-29-2010, 11:51 AM
i have a G5 logitech mouse and samsung keyboard

Drayu
04-29-2010, 12:01 PM
do you have ANYTHING else plugged in? If so, unplug it all and try. You can also try the .dbx files in the first post and see what happens. Be sure to back up your current ones.

wonheejo
04-29-2010, 12:04 PM
ok but i don't have anything other devices plugged in except for speakers (other than mouse and keyboard):( but i have one question, how do i take off the controls for joystick? like empty the control slots instead of having them axis - x or axis y?

Drayu
04-29-2010, 12:06 PM
use the files from the first post in this thread.

wonheejo
04-29-2010, 12:18 PM
i used the files from the first thread and now the joystick controls were gone which was what i wanted, but still during the game the weapon looks up and my movement is the same, like if i try to move left it moves right, but my right move doesn't move left, it moves right as well as my mouse as well. i tried unplugging every device i had which was mouse and keyboard just in case but the same problems occured...

Drayu
04-29-2010, 12:27 PM
it sounds like a hardware problem :( try another mouse and keyboard if you can. Because if I am reading it right, you are saying that when you press "A" you run right and when you press "D" you run right. That says keyboard issue to me (especially if it is mapped right in the controls)

wonheejo
04-29-2010, 12:30 PM
yea and the same goes for my mouse, probably could be the mouse and keyboard, i'll try different ones, thx!

wonheejo
04-29-2010, 12:51 PM
oh hey i figured out what the problem was. i was using the downloaded RELOADED version, and they said that this version has bugs so move some txt files to the game file from the iso file would do it and it does! anyways thx for you help :)

Drayu
04-29-2010, 01:49 PM
you are using a cracked copy? If so, I hope you ass gets banned!

GLAZIERMAN
08-11-2010, 08:05 PM
Hello all,I'm new here and was wondering if this is where I could get some help with a Saitek x65 stick cant get it to work in BFBC2 Running windows 7 64bit I see it in game controllers in control panel I also use a G13 Gamepad it works ,but Saitek never has.thanks for your help Glazierman.

GLAZIERMAN
08-27-2010, 06:05 PM
does anyone know if there is a way to toggle crouch? I start getting hand cramps after a little while of trying to be sneaky.
Ok hope I make sence but in game in settings look for gameplay lower left corner there is a box to check for crouch .

Drayu
08-27-2010, 06:49 PM
Unplug the g13 and see. If it is not responding at all even after you unplug the g13, thn I have no clue.

GLAZIERMAN
08-27-2010, 11:39 PM
Unplug the g13 and see. If it is not responding at all even after you unplug the g13, thn I have no clue.
I have got it to work but strange Of course I dont know what I'm doing,but got it to work trigger for fire and first button for right click on foot but in pilot trigger gets me enter in or out of chopper with the same setting hope I'm making sense, go figure second button does nothing that I have found yet?? that is with the g13 NOT pulled, makes no differance if it is pulled stays the same on the settings ??

doremon12
09-22-2010, 01:15 AM
Ok, well I got the following sorted for sure:
Infantry.dbx
land.dbx

I removed the joystick settings from those two tabs and mapped just the mouse and keyboard controls.

I have edited the air.dbx as well, but I can't get into the game to try it out. I am still getting network lost errors :(
The friggin worst button is the middle mouse button for melee. I changed that to V. Stupid thing is though I haven't figured how to just delete a button setting from in game.

NiCkTheGreek
09-23-2010, 02:21 PM
Hi ppl ,I'm new here. I have the original (of course) BFBC2, my system is Win7 64bit and i have also Hotas Cougar joystic plugged in my PC and i cant control heli in the game. It seems like BFBC2 doesnt recognize the joystick or not recognize well.
If any of you can suggest me something which will hlp me is welcomed.
Thanks for your time

Drayu
09-23-2010, 04:45 PM
make sure you have no other controllers plugged in. I am not sure about the Cougar, but other gamepads/controllers might impact it being seen by the game.

NiCkTheGreek
09-24-2010, 02:51 AM
make sure you have no other controllers plugged in. I am not sure about the Cougar, but other gamepads/controllers might impact it being seen by the game.

Hi,

Only Cougar, mouse and keyb plugged.

cheveyo
10-10-2010, 05:17 AM
Hi guys, kind off an older or must I say oldish gamer....lmao, but still able to kick some youngsters a*****.
But on to the issues i have. Drayu, followed some "solutions" on the net for the joystick bugs with BFBC 2 and your name came up a few times. I tought you were giving out some reasonable advise and i then thought.....a community with people like him should be worth to be in.
My issues ( not counting in my age there ) logitech 3d extreme digital pro. Playing BF2 and after some struggles with the settings its working for that game. BFBC2 is another story. I have no working throttle ( can`t put in any setting ) Hat switch not working at all. Using the logitech MX revolution mouse together with the loitech setup to adress the buttons. Works fine up to a certain degree. But joystick issue is a pain in my old......( you know )
Sorry for the long post, but did want to make it clear.

Drayu
10-10-2010, 08:09 AM
unfortunately, until DICE fixes the issues, the Logitech controllers have an issue with the throttle that can't be circumvented.

sorry, but on a better note.....welcome to WiH. :D

cheveyo
10-11-2010, 11:19 AM
Thanks anyway Drayu. Just have to wait a bit then. Thanks for the welcome.

Indignant
12-13-2010, 05:02 PM
Hello again. Well, I've given up trying to play BC2 with my nostromo n52 and saitek x52 combo. I really want to fly the choppers in BC2 as I did in past versions of Battlefield but I can't go back to using a keyboard to play as infantry. Lack of HAT button for jump/crouch makes me irritable. However, I have noticed that Razer has come out with a new version of the Nostromo and was wondering if anyone out there has tried it with Bad Company and a joystick. Do you still get the weird conflicts and all?

http://pinoytutorial.com/techtorial/razer-nostromo-gaming-keypad-review-price-specs-release-date/

chanbong
12-27-2010, 10:53 PM
thank oyu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:deadhorse2:

Drayu
12-28-2010, 06:29 AM
no prob, keep beating that dead horse :)

quasit
12-31-2010, 08:08 AM
How do I change the mousewheel to be correct? I.e. down should be next and up should be previous.

Drayu
12-31-2010, 08:15 AM
go into the settings and reverse it I believe.

quasit
12-31-2010, 08:23 AM
Hmm, never mind that. Seems invert actually works, just needed a restart. Uhm, dunno. Might be just that I'm too tired.











You mean in the game? Nah, you can't change the mousewheel setting in the game and "mouse wheel invert" doesn't do anything it seems.

Though I finally found out which lines are for the mousewheel.

You gotta change from
<item>GUIDF19BE0DE-70AC-4BBF-B641-5FCE9836355A</item>
<item>GUIDB73FE458-1718-4BCC-8DB4-4BBEBFFA6248</item>

to

<item>GUIDB73FE458-1718-4BCC-8DB4-4BBEBFFA6248</item>
<item>GUIDF19BE0DE-70AC-4BBF-B641-5FCE9836355A</item>

Drayu
12-31-2010, 08:51 AM
awesome, nice job and thanks!

ZeE23
06-02-2011, 01:49 PM
hi,
I have x52 pro and like to play it in bf2 please show me how to set it up and have an issue with the coolmaster storm mouse that dont show up in devices can you please help. tried to delete ms one and still no joy.

Drayu
06-02-2011, 02:28 PM
unplug all devices except for x52 and try again. also uninstall any software for your devices.

ZeE23
06-02-2011, 05:28 PM
hi,
is that answer to my request.

Drayu
06-02-2011, 07:43 PM
seeing that your other post wasn't very descriptive in how far you got and what you have done, yes.

see first post of this thread, it may help.