LOST - Spoiler Alert!!!!!

[CrockD]

I thought those of us who are up to date on LOST could use this thread to talk about our theories.

I think we all saw the 'Uber Evil Locke is the Smoke Monster thing' coming. Interesting how fast they revealed it. I should have known that a series created by J J Abrams would end up using parallel timelines as a plot device.

[Crotch-Rot]

I'm curious if the bomb did work and somehow created an alternate reality where Oceanic 815 made it back to LA. Didn't Juliet said something like "it worked!" according to Miles?

[CrockD]

I'm curious if the bomb did work and somehow created an alternate reality where Oceanic 815 made it back to LA. Didn't Juliet said something like "it worked!" according to Miles?

She did...which is interesting. Somehow as she was dying she became aware of the alternate timeline where the plane lands safely. I wonder if everything around the island changed but anyone on the island remained in the same timeline.

Wikipedia refers to the timelines as the 2004 and 2007 timelines so from now on that's how i'll refer to it. I wonder if 2004 Desmond is going to appear in 2007 on the island.

[Crotch-Rot]

She did...which is interesting. Somehow as she was dying she became aware of the alternate timeline where the plane lands safely. I wonder if everything around the island changed but anyone on the island remained in the same timeline.

Wikipedia refers to the timelines as the 2004 and 2007 timelines so from now on that's how i'll refer to it. I wonder if 2004 Desmond is going to appear in 2007 on the island.

That was the other weird thing... Desmond being on the plane with Jack. Originally, he was already on the island. But in this new reality, he was flying from Australia to LA. Then they didn't show Desmond again for the rest of the episode... Was he real or was he a part of Jack's mind?

[CrockD]

That was the other weird thing... Desmond being on the plane with Jack. Originally, he was already on the island. But in this new reality, he was flying from Australia to LA. Then they didn't show Desmond again for the rest of the episode... Was he real or was he a part of Jack's mind?

Well in the 2004 timeline Desmond wouldn't have been in the hatch pushing the button so he could theoretically have been on the plane (very coincidentally of course). I keep thinking back to when Faraday banged on the Hatch last season and told Desmond he was 'special' that the rules didn't apply to him. I think he was on the plane and got transported off of it before they landed (just like some of the members of the oceanic 6 in the Al Jira plane crash). In fact I will boldly predict that there will be a parallel of the moment at the beginning of season 2 when Desmond holds Locke at gunpoint and Jack sees him and realizes he knows him and says "You???". Except it will be Desmond seeing Jack and saying "You???" as the 2004 Desmond will now be part of the 2007 timeline.

Note: All predictions 100% wrong or your money back.

[Crotch-Rot]

Ok. Now I'm confuzzled! =)

[CrockD]

Ok. Now I'm confuzzled! =)

At least LOST is consistent. Consistently confuzzling. :popcorn:

[SnaKe]

I thought it was a solid premiere also. I thought the recap was very good.

I dont remember who it was, may have been Locke himself, but someone during the premiere said the fake Locke isnt the Man in Black. That threw me for a loop bc I thought he was. We know he's the smoke monster. Wouldnt that be the MIB too? Are the monster and the MIB the same entities representing evil?

They did confirm one thing for me though, for whatever reason, they called it "the rules", the MIB cant kill Jacob directly. It was kinda obvious but not really confirmed until last night.

I also think the "candidate" is the person containing Jacob's life force or whatever you want to call it. I dont think he's really dead. So far the candidates, in my mind, are Sayid, Ilana and Lepidus. I favor Frank Lepidus at the moment.

[CrockD]

I recorded it specifically so I could watch it again with sub-titles on so i'll let you know if i see something about Locke not being the MIB, but everything I have read so far indicates that he is the MIB. The wikipedia entry also refers to him as such.

I had totally forgotten about the "candidate" conversation from "The Incident". I think you could be right about people being a candidate to have their body taken over by Jacob. In that case though I think we have already found our Candidate and that would be Sayid. It seems a little obvious though for Sayid to come back to life and simply be Jacob, so we'll have to wait and see.

It's interesting that the MIB seemingly only has the ability to imitate dead people, (Locke, Alex, Mr Eko's brother) but not living people.

Notice I didn't include Christian Shephard in that group. It's unclear yet what he represents as some of his actions have been ambiguous and his body was never found in the coffin back in season 1.

Did anyone else feel sorry for Locke now that we can confirm just how manipulated he was? In fact did anyone else sense that Ben also felt sorry for him when MIB was recounting how he had used Locke for his own purposes.

[Satanic]

most exciting thing i've read is this response by writer damon lindelof during an interview about what the writers were trying to accomplish in the premiere.

LINDELOF: We knew that the ending of the time travel season was going to be an attempt to reboot. And as a result, we [knew] the audience was going to come out of the “do-over moment” thinking we were either going start over or just say it didn’t work and continue on. [We thought] wouldn’t it be great if we did both?

LINDELOF: Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you’re not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that the Island is submerged. What we’re trying to do there is basically say to you, “God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?” So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they’ve sunken the Island. That’s our way of saying, “Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you’re not expecting.” Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren’t. Shannon’s not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don’t see. Where’s Libby? Where’s Ana Lucia? Where’s Eko? These are all the things that you’re supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the “What if?” scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we’re embracing those things.

full interview: http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/

[SnaKe]

That's interesting that wikipedia says he's the MIB. Of course if the mib is evil, Locke could be lying about NOT being the mib.

Good point about the MIB only possessing dead ppl. I'm not sure about your assessment of Christian Shephard. Seems to me he's the MIB too.

I wonder if Sayid came back to life bc the mib possessed him....maybe he can be in diff ppl at the same time. After all he is a God like entity, i think. That would also go along with the mib only possessing dead ppl and why it was so important to save Sayid. That could also explain why the guy who was the head of the temple said the 'note' said there would be "trouble" if they didnt save him.

Or I could just be goofy! :D

[Satanic]

it will be interesting to see where Christian fits into it all. i agree that he is possibly a "third party" in all this. in my mind he would be kind of the mediator between the two (jacob and mib), keeping them in balance and all that.

i don't think sayid is jacob or mib, but he's definitely not "himself" anymore. remember when young ben went to the temple, richard said "he will never be the same, he'll always be one of us." i think the same deal with sayid.

[SnaKe]

Good theory about Christian Satanic.

[SnaKe]

Now I remembered where I heard Locke was not the mib. It was during an interview on Jimmy Kimmel with Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse (writers of Lost). You can see it in part 2 of 2 the interview. They also talk about Sayid being possed by something or someone. I still think it's the mib (for now anyway :) )

Here's the interview. It automatically goes to part 2 at the end of part 1:
http://abc.go.com/watch/clip/jimmy-kimmel-live/SH005455790000/240442/250046

[Satanic]

awesome! thanks for linking this snake!

[SnaKe]

Did anyone notice in last Tuesday's episode that when the (new) Others found out Jacob was dead and started putting ash all around the Temple, that they missed the corner of the Temple? The person started pouring the ash a few feet from the corner instead of going around it.

[CrockD]

Did anyone notice in last Tuesday's episode that when the (new) Others found out Jacob was dead and started putting ash all around the Temple, that they missed the corner of the Temple? The person started pouring the ash a few feet from the corner instead of going around it.

Didn't notice that, though that may just be a directorial oversight. One thing that I am intrigued about with the Others in the temple is how you reconcile the lifestyle of the Others who were in the Dharma barracks living a modern life, throwing a football around the freshly mowed grass with the lifestyle of those in the temple. I mean super cliche "I don't like the way English tastes on my tongue" guy with his uber hippy acid trip John Lennon wannabe friend hardly seem to be a good match with more modern looking Ben and Richard.

On another note, it could be because the actor actually has a thick English accent, but did anyone notice that Sayid's accent was noticeably different when he woke up and said "What happened"? It sounded like he said "Wot appened" in a very coloquial English accent. Probably nothing, but I did wonder if it is a confirmation of the characters change upon his revival.

[Crotch-Rot]

Sayid sounded like Charlie. I bet it's Charley inside Sayid. You know.. Charlie drowned. Sayid drowned. blah blah blah. Kate's got a sweet ass..

[Wibby]

Kate's got a sweet ass..

Amen.

[CrockD]

Sayid sounded like Charlie. I bet it's Charley inside Sayid. You know.. Charlie drowned. Sayid drowned. blah blah blah. Kate's got a sweet ass..

Oh that would be a total mind f**k. Cool thought Crotch I hope it happens.

Oh...and I'm noticing a theme in your posts to various Lost threads. :idhitit:

[SnaKe]

Didn't notice that, though that may just be a directorial oversight. One thing that I am intrigued about with the Others in the temple is how you reconcile the lifestyle of the Others who were in the Dharma barracks living a modern life, throwing a football around the freshly mowed grass with the lifestyle of those in the temple. I mean super cliche "I don't like the way English tastes on my tongue" guy with his uber hippy acid trip John Lennon wannabe friend hardly seem to be a good match with more modern looking Ben and Richard.The ppl in the temple are Others not Dharma ppl. Dharma ppl were afraid of the Others from their time period. Funny how the Others of the Dharma time period didnt fear the smoke monster.


On another note, it could be because the actor actually has a thick English accent, but did anyone notice that Sayid's accent was noticeably different when he woke up and said "What happened"? It sounded like he said "Wot appened" in a very coloquial English accent. Probably nothing, but I did wonder if it is a confirmation of the characters change upon his revival.

Sayid sounded like Charlie. I bet it's Charley inside Sayid. You know.. Charlie drowned. Sayid drowned. blah blah blah. Kate's got a sweet ass..Interesting...I'll have to view that again.

I'm very confused on who is in what time period. Did anyone notice that when they took Sayid to the temple they crossed over a Well looking thing. After that they were captured by the new Others. When they fired the rocket to warn ppl of the monster/mib the ppl on the beach saw it. The other thing is the island is underwater during the reset flight after the nuke exploded. To me it's like there are three parallel time streams going on. It's hurting my head!

Clearly the water in the temple is the source of the healing powers of the island. I wonder what the significance of the color of the water meant? I noticed the Japanese leader of the new Others hand did not heal after he cut it and put it in the water. Makes me think he knew it wasnt going to work for Sayid.

Another thing, why would Jacob have body guards try to shoot Locke? He should've known the bullets would bounce off of him. Maybe, i'm over thinking this shit.

Cant wait to see tonight's episode.

btw -Did any of you watch the Twin Peaks series? This is similar in that it was a multiple linked plot mystery. It was also ground breaking like Lost at the time. Not to toot my horn but, I figured out who the murderer was in the main plot line. Just wanted you to know who you were dealing with! :hehehe:

[LordBeer]

Shepard has got a sister? :eek:

Err, well HAD a sister..

[Crotch-Rot]

Shepard has got a sister? :eek:

Err, well HAD a sister..

yeah dude... didn't you watch the other seasons?

[LordBeer]

I've already stated that I didn't start to watch until last season. :tongue: Hurley didnt mention that in his recap of the entire show.

[CrockD]

@Snake - I'm referring to when the Others were living in the Dharma barracks after the purge.

@Lordbeer - As I have spoiler alert in the thread I am assuming anything after the show is over is fair game. Jack's half sister is Claire, though he didn't know it until after he had gotten off the island.

[LordBeer]

@Lordbeer - As I have spoiler alert in the thread I am assuming anything after the show is over is fair game. Jack's half sister is Claire, though he didn't know it until after he had gotten off the island.

I wouldnt be looking in the thread if I didnt expect to see possible spoilers here. :thumbsup: My onsite Lost 'infopedia' failed me earlier tonight..

[SnaKe]

@Snake - I'm referring to when the Others were living in the Dharma barracks after the purge. Got ya.
btw -Someone said Kate looks like a man. Compared to Claire, i'd go along with that. She's a doll face.

[Kriv]

Got ya.
btw -Someone said Kate looks like a man. Compared to Claire, i'd go along with that. She's a doll face.


Thanks for the support Snake!! :woot:

[SnaKe]

Thanks for the support Snake!! :woot:

:D

GtSaOyluyG4

[CrockD]

Thanks for the support Snake!! :woot:

:idhitit: still

[Satanic]

i'd bang 'em both, no questions asked.

[SnaKe]

Tru dat!

[-LiT- Killer_B]

I thought this past episode was one of the best in a while. Who is the little boy though??? Jacob as a kid maybe??, why couldn't Richard see him, but Sawyer could??? Seeing smokey turn into flocke was AWESOME. Do we know think that Christian was MIB on the island???? Questions yes, but some answers, and it will all make sense at the end....at least i hope.

[Satanic]

I agree that the latest episode was one of the best. This season is really looking to be great. My watching crew was thinking a small Jacob about the boy as well, but I also suggested that somehow it could be claire's boy Aaron? It wouldn't make much sense but I always felt like Aaron was supposed to be important.

[CrockD]

I thought this past episode was one of the best in a while. Who is the little boy though??? Jacob as a kid maybe??, why couldn't Richard see him, but Sawyer could??? Seeing smokey turn into flocke was AWESOME. Do we know think that Christian was MIB on the island???? Questions yes, but some answers, and it will all make sense at the end....at least i hope.

I still think Christian is independent of the MIB. They said the MIB can now no longer change his form and I think it would be very disappointing if Jack and his "father" don't come face to face at some point after 6 seasons of teasing it so I have to think that will still happen. Also MIB said that he can't leave the island and wants nothing more than to leave. We saw Christian appear to Jack, off of the island in season 4, albeit just for a brief glimpse.

I also thought the little boy was Jacob, but Satanic that's a neat thought that it could be Aaron.

I did really enjoy that episode, it was nice to start to get a partial answer and for the numbers to play a role again.

[Gruthar]

We saw Christian appear to Jack off

:hehehe:

Out of context quote! OK, so my mind is in the gutter, but I totally read that as "We saw Christian appear to Jack off the island, albeit just for brief glimpse."

I don't think the little boy is Jacob. I don't think it's Aaron, either. My guess is that there's yet another entity out there that has set the rules for Jacob and MIB's behavior. Potentially it's the island itself. But I figure that entity is the thing that is keeping the MIB stuck on the island.

[CrockD]

:hehehe:

Out of context quote! OK, so my mind is in the gutter, but I totally read that as "We saw Christian appear to Jack off the island, albeit just for brief glimpse."

I don't think the little boy is Jacob. I don't think it's Aaron, either. My guess is that there's yet another entity out there that has set the rules for Jacob and MIB's behavior. Potentially it's the island itself. But I figure that entity is the thing that is keeping the MIB stuck on the island.

Hahahaha!!! Totally didn't notice that! Okay I will now go add a comma to at least make that slightly less embarrassing.

[Satanic]

I don't think the little boy is Jacob. I don't think it's Aaron, either. My guess is that there's yet another entity out there that has set the rules for Jacob and MIB's behavior. Potentially it's the island itself. But I figure that entity is the thing that is keeping the MIB stuck on the island.

that would make sense... if there are rules, someone would have had to make them and enforce them! interesting!

[lamah]

thought the boy was jacob too, but the idea with him being aaron is much more interesting..........and with the appearance of claire last week that's plausible......she looks older.............don't really see the "sickness" though since she helped out saeed..................guess the boy didn't inherent the sickness if he's explaining the rules to the new locke

what is the year anyway, of the current plot setting? i lost track

hmmmmmm..............maybe the "sickness" is knowing the truth...............or is a result of knowing the truth
ok, then that wouldn't explain the current saeed.................maybe knowing the truth is the result of the sickness?

[Wibby]

The current year is 2007

[Gruthar]

My question is, what the heck happened to Walt?

[Satanic]

My question is, what the heck happened to Walt?

him and michael are supposed to be back this season

[SnaKe]

At this point, I'm LOST!

[Satanic]

I just lied to a samurai.

[Crotch-Rot]

Another excellent episode last nite! Claire is scaaaarryyy!!!

[Wibby]

Another excellent episode last nite! Claire is scaaaarryyy!!!

No shit, killing that dude with the axe is crazy shit. And I think we got our answer as to who or what Christian Shepard was. My only question is where the hell is his body, because from what I gathered smoke monster needs a body to take their shape and Jack was never able to find it and in the parallel time line the body was misplaced.

[Satanic]

i think we're gonna find out some christian shephard details next episode. i'd say it looks crazy, but it's apparently so crazy that they can't let us know just how crazy it will be. other than to say it will be crazy.

[-LiT- Killer_B]

No shit, killing that dude with the axe is crazy shit. And I think we got our answer as to who or what Christian Shepard was. My only question is where the hell is his body, because from what I gathered smoke monster needs a body to take their shape and Jack was never able to find it and in the parallel time line the body was misplaced.

How did we get the answer to Christian...a lot of people thought he was MIB, but that wasn't confirmed by any means. IMO it seemed to prove that he was not MIB as Claire said her dad and her friend, which was Flocke.

[SnaKe]

Good point, if Flocke appears as Christian to her why would she call him her friend?

[CrockD]

I agree. Or he's been going back and forth changing between the two of them (when he was still capable of taking different forms). I agree though that there weren't really any answers on Locke/Christian...perhaps Christian works for MIB?

[Crotch-Rot]

This week's Entertainment Weekly mag suggested that maybe Jacob isnt't the good guy and MiB the bad guy... Very interesting...

[SnaKe]

This week's Entertainment Weekly mag suggested that maybe Jacob isnt't the good guy and MiB the bad guy... Very interesting...
This concept has crossed my mind. It could be that Jacob forces someone to be the guardian of the island for eternity or until the nuke goes off or something. That's why on the beach the mib was angry with Jacob enough to want to kill him.

But, if as the writers say....wait...it just occurred to me that Jacob finds someone (from the candidate pool) to be the guardian of the island to keep the smoke monster there. Remember Locke aka the SM wants to go home. Maybe Jacob's planet/dimension has exiled the SM to that island somehow. But he has to have some kind of guard. So if the SM kills all the candidates then there will be no one to keep him on the island.

I think the cave is the SM's home for lack of a better term. The candidate list in the cave is the SM's list. He is slowly crossing them off. The list of candidates in the lighthouse is Jacob's list.

The only thing is it seems the SM needs a real human to get him off of the island, so why would he kill them ALL off. :minigun:

[SnaKe]

I still dont know who the mib is or what his role is for that matter. The writers said Locke is not the mib. Doesnt make sense. I'm beginning to think they're lying about that or wording it in such away to deceive us about Locke not being the mib.

[Satanic]

This week's Entertainment Weekly mag suggested that maybe Jacob isnt't the good guy and MiB the bad guy... Very interesting...

I've thought about this too and my friend suggested that maybe thinking about them in terms of good and bad is the wrong way to go about it. maybe neither of them are "good" and everyone else is just caught in the middle.

[Crotch-Rot]

Here's what I was thinking... If Jacob is "good". Then why did he have Ben kill off all the DI people originally?

[lamah]

what's mib? i keep seeing you guys use that abbreviation

[SnaKe]

Here's what I was thinking... If Jacob is "good". Then why did he have Ben kill off all the DI people originally?I think the SM was pretending to be Jacob when he told Ben to do that. The cabin was supposed to be where Ben talked communicated Jacob but it had ashes around it which indicates that the SM resided there (at least until someone made a path thru the ashes). Ben thought he was taking orders from Jacob. Same for Locke.

I'm still having a hard time separating the mib and the SM. I'm beginning to think the writers lied about Flocke not being the mib. The mib and SM have to be the same.



what's mib? i keep seeing you guys use that abbreviationMan in Black

[lamah]

i don't get it, what does mib have to do with the island? something to do with aliens?

[SnaKe]

The whole premise of the series appears to be based on good (Jacob) and evil (the mib). But we dont really know how it all came about or will end.

[Satanic]

who do you guys think is coming to the island? desmond is my best guess

[lamah]

what's the deal with desmond anyway, he's the only one who's capable of flashing back and forth in time............but that story hasn't continued in a long time

whoa, this forum looks cartoony

[Wibby]

Damn that was one hell of a good episode.

[CrockD]

who do you guys think is coming to the island? desmond is my best guess

I was thinking the same thing. I think it's most likely to be Desmond because of how Daniel said he was "special" "the rules didn't apply to him"..and the fact he was on the flight but then vanished makes me think he will be the one person who transcends both realities.

[-LiT- Killer_B]

That was an AMAZING episode. I am still trying to take it all in. I think I need to watch it again, or at least read some forums/blogs to get some insight.

[Satanic]

just watched the newest episode. i also just overdosed on awesome.

[Satanic]

now that i've finally calmed down a bit, i think i'm convinced that Locke is the evil guy. i thought the writers might try to fool us there for awhile but after seeing the way sayid and claire are, i don't think there's any doubt.

man, Locke has almost everyone. sawyer, sayid, claire. jin is his prisoner and it looks like kate will probably end up that way too.

the good guys got hurley, jack, sun, miles, lopedis, and ben.

looks like a terrific showdown is being set up. I'm SOOOOO excited.

[SnaKe]

Agreed good episode: Miles, "Claire was just here and she was looking pretty rough...still hot though". :lol:

Good point about Desmond and how he is special. Totally forgot about that!

[Wibby]

I want to know why smoke locke couldn't enter the temple so long as Dogen (or whatever his name is) was alive and in the temple.

[-LiT- Killer_B]

So now we know that Widmore is the one coming to the island...but heres my questions. Jacob said "They're coming" right before Flocke kicked into the fire...but then also had Hurley go to the Lighthouse to help "them" get here. Are these two seperate groups/people...they're coming meaning widmore, and maybe what Jacob was trying to get here (maybe desmond) is still on the way???? Either way pretty good episode and now we know why Richard doesn't age. I wonder if the others who have been touched, Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Locke, Sun/Jin, Hurley can't kill themselves either. This is what I thought when remembering Locke was going to hang himself. Also Michael couldn't kill himself either...so if you are a candidate maybe you can't commit suicide. Lots of thoughts...NEED MORE ANSWERS!!!

[Wibby]

I thought the they're coming comment Jacob said meant the people in 1977 were coming back through time to the island in 2007.

[lamah]

they spoiled the last 5 sec of the show when they included alan dale in the credit at the beginning of the show

so what's the point with all the parallel universe's stories each week? they feel more right, being stories of the future after the season finale (kinda like they're giving us 2 season's worth by the last episode). ben's daughter isn't his daughter anymore.......it's as if all the "cards" have been shuffled

[Satanic]

i posted a link to an interview with the writers and they sort of have two goals with the no-crash world: 1) to show that there were many more consequences of detonating the bomb than just "resetting" things, and 2) to illustrate that the characters are connected to each other in deeper ways than they thought.

[Crotch-Rot]

I've figured it out!

Lock/mib/smokie is Claire's son, Aaron!!!

Btw, I liked it that they had Sawyer be a cop in the alternate universe. I was like, no way, thinking that he's playing a con. But nope. He's a real cop! nice!!! But why didn't he bust Kate at the airport in the elevator??

[Satanic]

crotch i asked my friend that exact same question! he seems like he's basically the same person though. he said he could have become either a cop or a criminal. i guess it's because jacob wasn't able to give him a pen to write his letter with??

[-LiT- Killer_B]

Because he didn't want to file a report that shows he was at the airport coming from Australia as it was a secret...

[Crotch-Rot]

Because he didn't want to file a report that shows he was at the airport coming from Australia as it was a secret...

That makes sense!

[Satanic]

in the words of homer simpson: doh!

[SnaKe]

I'm personally LOST. I'm serious I have no idea were the writers are going with this. I will say this, I think Jack Shepard will be the new Jacob or guardian of the island or whatever the candidate is.

It was cool to see Linus help out Alexis in the flash sideways. As was Sawyer being a cop.

[LordBeer]

I'm just happy I was finally able to catch up on Lost this week.

[CrockD]

I've figured it out!

Lock/mib/smokie is Claire's son, Aaron!!!

Btw, I liked it that they had Sawyer be a cop in the alternate universe. I was like, no way, thinking that he's playing a con. But nope. He's a real cop! nice!!! But why didn't he bust Kate at the airport in the elevator??

Ummm...not sure if you'll end up being right...but how the hell did I not think of this earlier!!! Oh this is gonna get my brain cooking thinking of this. Nice observation.

[lamah]

ok, seems jacob was a bored person. this past episode revealed his job was to keep the smoke monster on the island and that he kept bringing people on the island just to prove a point to the smoke monster, but does he really need to...? kinda like that movie "trading places", making a bet for a dollar.......why put people in misery just to prove a point.....

also, it seems the story's going back toward the original theory of the island being some pugatory place

some sneak peek to next episode

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also stumbled onto this pic.........maybe that mite give clues as to where writers are gonna take us
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2010/02/lost-last-supper-660.jpg

[Crotch-Rot]

That was a good episode last nite showing the history of Richard. My question is... Did Jacob tell Hurley to tell Richard to stop the MiB or did Richard's wife, Isabella, really told Hurley to say that...

[DemonJester]

Personally I think the writers are trying to lead us down that path of good vs evil / heaven vs hell theory again just as everyone thought originally and then out of nowhere are going to blind side us with something off the wall like always.

After all this time I dont buy that the writers are simply going to spill the beans that easily.

That "Last Supper" picture was a nice find lamah however there are one too many disciples in that photo..

Was a good episode though.

Something else I thought was very interesting was when Jacob was convincing Richard to work for him. He said the following :

1. I cant forgive your sins.
2. I cant bring back the dead.
3. But I can make you live forever.

The devil is unable to forgive or resurrect but is able to give immortality.

On the flip side, the MiB / Smoke / Locke is unable to kill Jacob himself, he needs to have a mortal do it. (Hence he can not commit the deadly sin of murder)

Which goes back to my original theory (and some others here as well) that "Locke" is in fact the good guy and Jacob is evil.

[Crotch-Rot]

Which goes back to my original theory (and some others here as well) that "Locke" is in fact the good guy and Jacob is evil.

:plusone: This is kinda my working theory right now as well.

[-LiT- Killer_B]

I am down to an extent with that theory as well...but smokie/mib DOES kill people, such as the people at the temple, black rock, and eko. So then the question is, can the possible "good" cast down against "bad" or "non-believers" as God did to the idol worshipers and during the great flood??? Growing up catholic really helped here eh....

[FiLTHY_SNiPER]

Killer, all this time away from the forums and you come comment in a "Lost" TV show thread?

Get yer ass in Bad Company 2 soldier!

[-LiT- Killer_B]

FYI...I posed your theory Demon to one of my buddies who watches and this was his response.

Isn't God able to grant eternal life too? Smokie kills so he can't be the good guy. Plus he is a master manipulator. I think they are probably agents of good/evil or order/chaos not tied to western religion. Especially since multiple religious facets are mentioned throughout, not just Christianity.

Jacob and MIB do both operate through other people. And Jacob said that he and MIB can't "make" people do anything only influence decisions. Their goals are different too. Jacob wants to prove that men are inherently good and can be "redeemed" even after committing evil acts. MIB wants to prove the opposite, that men are inherently evil.

What a pain in the ass.

I don't think Locke/MIB could possibly be the good guy. They could BOTH be evil though. Jacob and MIB. Though Jacob can get off the island so he isn't "trapped".

Fuuuuuuck.

[-LiT- Killer_B]

Killer, all this time away from the forums and you come comment in a "Lost" TV show thread?

Get yer ass in Bad Company 2 soldier!

I do need to buy it...no time right now with buying a new house and my work schedule. I have heard great things about it!!!

[DemonJester]

FYI...I posed your theory Demon to one of my buddies who watches and this was his response.

Isn't God able to grant eternal life too? Smokie kills so he can't be the good guy. Plus he is a master manipulator. I think they are probably agents of good/evil or order/chaos not tied to western religion. Especially since multiple religious facets are mentioned throughout, not just Christianity.



I dont question if God could give eternal life, and while smokie does kill, he has yet to do harm to anyone in human form (well unless you include the ass whooping he gave Richard)

I also agree with the multiple religious facets and by no means think it is solely targeted towards Christianity. I only used that side of things because honestly I am not all that familiar with all the other religious beliefs nor am I an expert on Christianity either.

We are all probably over analyzing this which is exactly what the writers want us to do.

Dammit this show pisses me off though because everytime you think you have it pegged something comes along and blows that theory out of the tank.

[Crotch-Rot]

Dammit this show pisses me off though because everytime you think you have it pegged something comes along and blows that theory out of the tank.

This is why Lost is so awesome!!!

[lamah]

i was just thinking, since judas betrayed jesus
maybe from that pic, we can guess who's going to detray locke right before some defining moment: Sayid or Kate

http://www.lisashea.com/hobbies/art/images/lastsuppernames.jpg

found this legend on a website, though i'm a lil concerned the author can't tell the diff between john or mary

[Satanic]

the biblical reference to look at isn't jesus, it's the story of jacob and esau. the older brother is forced to serve the younger, and they are destined to struggle forever with power constantly shifting back and forth.

Emerson said at comicon that they would be flirting with this idea, but it wouldn't be the whole story.

[DemonJester]

This is why Lost is so awesome!!!

:plusone:

I know but it doesnt make me feel any better.

[Wibby]

the biblical reference to look at isn't jesus, it's the story of jacob and esau. the older brother is forced to serve the younger, and they are destined to struggle forever with power constantly shifting back and forth.

Emerson said at comicon that they would be flirting with this idea, but it wouldn't be the whole story.

After watching the last episode I was going to post something along the lines that MiB and Jacob would turn out to be brothers. Have nothing to back it up but I would laugh if it did happen.

[SnaKe]

the biblical reference to look at isn't jesus, it's the story of jacob and esau. the older brother is forced to serve the younger, and they are destined to struggle forever with power constantly shifting back and forth.

Emerson said at comicon that they would be flirting with this idea, but it wouldn't be the whole story.Interesting. I like this.

[SnaKe]

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2010/02/lost-last-supper-660.jpg

http://www.lisashea.com/hobbies/art/images/lastsuppernames.jpg

[Satanic]

This is a fan made teaser for the final episode. This guy has 6 or 7 longer "season 6 preparation" videos that are all amazing. I recommend you guys check them out.

RH7zvuIN7HM

[-LiT- Killer_B]

So last nights episode wasn't AMAZING, but still setup some things for the "war" that seems to be coming. I still have one major question that I can't seem to figure out.

Why did Widmore send the mercs to the Island to "kill everyone" and take Ben if he really wants what everyone else wants and to protect it.

Also, it seems as if Widmore has had a plan all along for Desmond and pushed him towards what he became and the island knowing that he would be special and valuable to saving the island.

Can't believe there is only 6 more epi's till the finally.

FAvorite line of this episode was when Saywer asked MIB why he didn't turn into smoke and cross the water, and when MIB said he couldn't, Saywer said "Of course not, that would be RIDICULOUS" lol

[LordBeer]

I'm hoping we do get a full frontal MIB to Smoke Monster transformation. Still wondering which side is really 'good'. MiB is already kinda shady with the murdering people and stuff, I dont trust Jacob's motives, and Widmore has already established that he is kinda shady.

I'm lost..

[lamah]

why did jack had to make that promise to sun....? now i'm thinking he's going to break that promise when/if his candidacy matures

also, it seems locke has "crossed out" jin, sawyer, kate from the list when he was talking to claire, leaving only jack, hugo, and sun as the final 3 candidates.....that correct? doesn't sound like an official/reliable list since locke is the source here

[SnaKe]

So last nights episode wasn't AMAZING, but still setup some things for the "war" that seems to be coming. I still have one major question that I can't seem to figure out.

Why did Widmore send the mercs to the Island to "kill everyone" and take Ben if he really wants what everyone else wants and to protect it.

Also, it seems as if Widmore has had a plan all along for Desmond and pushed him towards what he became and the island knowing that he would be special and valuable to saving the island.

Can't believe there is only 6 more epi's till the finally.

FAvorite line of this episode was when Saywer asked MIB why he didn't turn into smoke and cross the water, and when MIB said he couldn't, Saywer said "Of course not, that would be RIDICULOUS" lolWidmore didnt send them to kill. They used non-lethal weapons.


why did jack had to make that promise to sun....? now i'm thinking he's going to break that promise when/if his candidacy matures

also, it seems locke has "crossed out" jin, sawyer, kate from the list when he was talking to claire, leaving only jack, hugo, and sun as the final 3 candidates.....that correct? doesn't sound like an official/reliable list since locke is the source herei wondered about that too regarding Jack. I also noticed that locke mentioned Kate had been crossed out. I always was under the impression that they had to die to be crossed out. Assuming there are other factors that get you crossed off the list other then death, shouldnt Jacob be the one crossing them off?

[Satanic]

i don't remember seeing kate's name on the wall at all

[CrockD]

Given the nature of Mib's debate with Jacob I think they just need to be corrupted to be crossed off, or they have to die but they can't die by his hand.

[lamah]

ok, i wanna hear what you think desman's planning to do...........and why was he so eager to go with sayid (right before he went to the parallel universe to do his "gathering")

[DemonJester]

He is going to make everyone aware of the parallel time zones (caused by the nuke detonation) and that all of them also exist simultaneously in each.

He was so eager to go with Sayid because he needs to do his gathering in each parallel time zone in order for them to "Feel / See it"

[Satanic]

yeah i think desmond knows more than we as the viewers were allowed to see.

[lamah]

does he know the consequence that elenor was warning him about, if he kept digging?

[Crotch-Rot]

She was litterally referring to digging for the magnetic thingy in the ground. =)

I also think that Charlie also can see the parallel universe.

[DemonJester]

She was litterally referring to digging for the magnetic thingy in the ground. =)

I also think that Charlie also can see the parallel universe.

I agree with you on the digging up the magnetic station, but I think the lighthouse is going to come into play here as well since that also seems to be able to bend the time continuum, as Jack saw and Dharma's whole purpose on the island was to study the magnetic fields (which brings us back to the whole Bermuda Triangle spin)


Whats odd is that those whom originally died on the island appear to be alive and well in the one parallel time zone (Charlie, Daniel, Charlotte, as well as a few others). I am sure we are going to see a few more original MAIN characters show up before the end of this all.

[-LiT- Killer_B]

So how about Tuesday's epi??? I really like how they are showing us the correlation between the two timelines. I also liked how Hurley is stepping up as the new leader. We got the whispers explained and it seems as if Desmond hit Locke in ALT to "show" him the other existence the same way Charlie drove Desmond into the ocean. And that boy, it was played by the same character, but looked older and had darker hair (maybe jacob/mib as kids???) Also, what was in the pouch that Hurley picked up...either b/w stones or jacob's ashes IMO.

What answers do you all still want answered that are still unanswered?

Here are mine...
- The Numbers - although I think what they've given us so far will be it.
- The outrigger scene - this will most certainly be answered in the next couple of episodes
- Adam & Eve
- Christian Shephard - what's he doing here, where is his body, who/what is he,etc...
- Infertility - won't be addressed IMO
- What's Claire/Rose & Bernard/The Others been doing these last 3 years - won't be addressed IMO

[Satanic]

i loved the new episode. don't know what i think yet about most of your questions, but christian shephard is my biggest "want to know," (i think it might be coming up as Locke did not look happy to see Jack AT ALL). i think they already addressed infertility with the whole, "there was a leaking radiation nuke under where they were living."

[lamah]

i also want to know what's up with the numbers, how they came about as well as how dharma found the island

and what's up with juliette saying "it worked"..... where is she anyway, she's not shown in the alternate universe......but charlie is.....and what about the others who "died"? like echo and that blonde chick who banged her step brother....... what's up with all those who died over the past seasons appearing in front of select ppl influencing their actions across seasons. death on the island is the question i want answered most

[SnaKe]

So how about Tuesday's epi??? I really like how they are showing us the correlation between the two timelines. I also liked how Hurley is stepping up as the new leader. We got the whispers explained and it seems as if Desmond hit Locke in ALT to "show" him the other existence the same way Charlie drove Desmond into the ocean. And that boy, it was played by the same character, but looked older and had darker hair (maybe jacob/mib as kids???) Also, what was in the pouch that Hurley picked up...either b/w stones or jacob's ashes IMO.

What answers do you all still want answered that are still unanswered?

Here are mine...
- The Numbers - although I think what they've given us so far will be it.
- The outrigger scene - this will most certainly be answered in the next couple of episodes
- Adam & Eve
- Christian Shephard - what's he doing here, where is his body, who/what is he,etc...
- Infertility - won't be addressed IMO
- What's Claire/Rose & Bernard/The Others been doing these last 3 years - won't be addressed IMOYeah, the whispers were explained. Agree with you on the reason Desmond ran over Locke. Also like Hurley's new role. Seems like someone predicted that earlier but dont remember who. I also was wondering about the pouch Hugo found. Obviously he knew where to find it. Could it be something Michael told him about?

-I dont recall the outrigger scene?
-I thought Claire had been living in the jungle on her own with the MIB as her "friend" for the last 3 yrs. She stated that in one of the epi's.
-Rose & Bernard also have been living on a diff part of the island. They are "retired".

I was just thinking, if you die on or near the island, the magnetic field wont let your spirit/soul passover. That's why the whispers are there. Clearly the whispers dont want the MIB to leave the island. But I'm not sure if the whispers themselves want to passover or leave the island. Seems like they would want to. It seems like ppl who died off the island can be possessed by the MIB, like Locke & Christen. Ppl who died on the island can be seen by Hugo.

I think FLocke looked at Jack that way bc I think Jack will end up being the new Jacob and the MIB knows he's the leading candidate.

[-LiT- Killer_B]

The outrigger's are those boats (canoes) that the losties were rowing and getting shot at during the flashes. Remeber the Aljira water bottles they found on them. I would suspect that scene will be coming up in this timeline soon.

[lamah]

and why was the nuke bomb on the island in the first place?

[DemonJester]

Wasn't the island a detonation test site? I think they mentioned that in one of the older episodes if I recall correctly.

[lamah]

ah, missed that fact

they should've shown more buried worlds in the premier :) but guess it has to be detonated near the "spot"

[SnaKe]

I think we should assume the nuke worked. Anyone disagree?

[LordBeer]

Not real easy finding any info on the Bomb. Trying to google Lost Bomb turns up a lot of REAL missing nuclear weapons. Best I could find was here.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jughead_%28bomb%29

**Jughead refers to the atomic bomb FYI.


In 1954, the US Army set up a tent camp at the Mesa, hanging Jughead from a wooden firing tower in preparation for undisclosed tests. Before these tests could be conducted, the Others, including Richard Alpert and Charles Widmore, attacked the camp, killing all the Army personnel and taking control of Jughead. When a time-traveling Daniel Faraday arrived, he noticed that one of the Others had radiation burns and concluded that the casing of the bomb had cracked. He convinced Richard to allow him to deactivate the bomb, and he was allowed to inspect Jughead under the supervision of his unknowing mother, Eloise Hawking. Upon doing so, he confirmed his suspicion that the casing was cracked and frantically instructed her to patch the hole with lead and then bury the bomb in concrete

I agree with you Snake. I think the bomb worked. I thought I remembered Juliet actually saying that it worked right before she died.

[lamah]

i thought it was miles who said juliette said it worked, after she had died.. no? hulu doesn't keep the old episodes :(

[LordBeer]

i thought it was miles who said juliette said it worked, after she had died.. no? hulu doesn't keep the old episodes :(

Forgot, people still talk after they're dead on this show. My bad. :bolt:

[DemonJester]

Good episode last night!

I think it is obvious now that Jack is the next Jacob after last night.

I also think Sayid ultimately will be the one to take care of Locke/Smokey as he isnt the changed zombie as everyone thinks he is, he is only playing one.

He didnt kill Desmond either.

Now what would be really great and this could very well happen, is that the living Locke ends up being able to walk again due to Jack operating on him and comes back to the island and kills the fake Locke and it ends up being the real Locke and Jack as the protectors of the island. The end. :-)

[lamah]

desmond's too important to die now

i was thinking the same about locke coming back while watching the episode, that would be biggest surprise the writers can give us, and that's with the real locke back in the game

[-LiT- Killer_B]

Love it that we now know for sure that Chrstian was MIB/FLOCKE. Interesting that he was "helping" each of them in certain ways. Helping Claire "find" her baby, helping Jack find water, helping Sun find Jin, helping real locke turn the wheel. Don't know what to think of all of that.

[Satanic]

i don't think locke from the no crash world will cross over, but i have to admit that as a locke fan i would LOVE to see him show up in some badass capacity. i was also so happy when jack jumped back in the water. he has always been the "hero" of the show in my opinion, and i was starting to be disappointed that he was taking such a side seat. i don't think he'll end up as the new jacob though. i have no theories on that. wonder what the vegas odds are on each of the candidates? hehe

[Satanic]

One thing my friend reminded me of this morning is that Jack saw his dad off the island at his hospital, so there is a chance that Locke was lying to him about being his dad.

[CrockD]

One thing my friend reminded me of this morning is that Jack saw his dad off the island at his hospital, so there is a chance that Locke was lying to him about being his dad.

I was just going to post about that!

Yeah I am still not sold that MIB was telling the whole truth about that. It could be that Jack saw him because he was starting to go crazy while he was off the island. Also I wonder what it means that Kate saw Claire off of the island.

[CrockD]

Some guesses (my answers in bold) at Killer_B's questions.




What answers do you all still want answered that are still unanswered?

Here are mine...
- The Numbers - although I think what they've given us so far will be it.

I agree, I think they've told us all they're going to on this.

- The outrigger scene - this will most certainly be answered in the next couple of episodes

I would not be surprised if they never answer this question

- Adam & Eve

I'm gonna guess Adam and Eve are Rose and Bernard who never traveled with the rest of the group following the bomb detonation.

- Christian Shephard - what's he doing here, where is his body, who/what is he,etc...

Some think this is resolved (and it might be) I am not convinced, I still think this is a huge mystery.

- Infertility - won't be addressed IMO

Given that the statue was a god of fertility and the symbol Hurley gave Dogen earlier in the show was a symbol of fertility I actually think they will address the fertility issues.

- What's Claire/Rose & Bernard/The Others been doing these last 3 years - won't be addressed IMO

I think there's more back story concerning Claire that we have yet to hear and see above for my opinions on Rose & Bernard.

[-LiT- Killer_B]

One thing my friend reminded me of this morning is that Jack saw his dad off the island at his hospital, so there is a chance that Locke was lying to him about being his dad.

Thought about this as well...and I think it was possibly a hallucination as jack was hopped up on drugs. The only odd thing was the smoke alarm going off right before he appeared. We know that smokey/MIB can't get off the island though, so...who knows.

[SnaKe]

ok, wtf! Why would they show a re-run as one of the last episodes!?!

ABC.com shows it as Ab Aeterno - Enhanced. It didnt say that on my guide. It did seem a little different but still a re-run, right. It has the messages at the bottom but still a re-run. It's like they just wanted to answer some questions but not advance the story. Unless there was something really important but subtle in that episode.

What did you guys think?

[Satanic]

i don't think they're counting that as "new" material, but I could be wrong.

[SnaKe]

Well, they kept saying 'X' number of episodes left. But they never said, 'X' number of NEW episodes left". :D

[LordBeer]

ok, wtf! Why would they show a re-run as one of the last episodes!?!

ABC.com shows it as Ab Aeterno - Enhanced. It didnt say that on my guide. It did seem a little different but still a re-run, right. It has the messages at the bottom but still a re-run. It's like they just wanted to answer some questions but not advance the story. Unless there was something really important but subtle in that episode.

What did you guys think?

I think this shit pissed me off. I was hauling ass trying to get home on time so I wouldnt miss anything. Just about every freeway into Chicago has construction and I missed the start. Bah!

Guess it worked out ok for me but still.. :angryfire:

[LordBeer]

That was a great episode! Lots of WTF moments in my opinion. Some rather sad moments there as well.. I was getting misty seeing Jin and Sun die..

I did totally call the switched backpacks when they focused on Smokey giving the bag to Jack. :ban_dance01: I got something correct watching this show.

[Crotch-Rot]

Tonite's episode is very good! What did Sayid say to Jack about Desmond before he ran off with the bomb?

[SnaKe]

I really felt sad when Sun & Jin died too. Kinda surprised me I felt that way.
Didnt expect Sayid to do that. I think he said Desmond was trapped in the well and Jack needed to get him out.

[Wibby]

Yeah he said Locke wanted him dead because he was important or something like that and that he was still trapped in the well.

[Satanic]

i expected people to start dying at some point. tonight was a really good episode but really sad for me. i've really dedicated myself to this show and these characters over the last 6 years. really sad to be watching them go. i guess they're still doing fine in the no crash world!

[lamah]

if locke can sense the candidates' deaths, why couldn't he sense sayid letting desmon live? or is desmon not on the list? i'm assuming desmon is on the list since locke didn't kill him himself, but influenced sayid to try

plus, what was the reason again why kate's crossed off?

[JustMeBF2]

The network has agreed to extend the season finale to 2 1/2 hours.
The finale will still be 2 hours then there will be 30 minutes of silence so
people can figure out what the hell happened.

lol

[DemonJester]

The network has agreed to extend the season finale to 2 1/2 hours.
The finale will still be 2 hours then there will be 30 minutes of silence so
people can figure out what the hell happened.

lol

LOL

The sad thing is I can see this actually happening. :popcorn:

[SnaKe]

^lol

I do think this show will spawn other shows or websites or something that will analyze it for years.

@lamah -Desmond isnt a candidate. He's known as the "Constant". They havent really defined that yet but he's some sort of special person that is not affected like the other ppl. He can move through time and now has conciseness in both universes.

[-LiT- Killer_B]

Adam and Eve bitches!!!!

[Wibby]

Adam and Eve bitches!!!!

That was something I had totally forgotten about, and to see it in this episode and to see who they were was pretty cool.

I'm still a little fuzzy as to what the smoke monster really is. Maybe someone can explain that to me, or hopefully it is explained fully in next weeks episode or the finale.

[Crotch-Rot]

It is the vaporization of the Man in Black... yeah, I want to know too. WHo's the "Mother"? This episode gave me more questions than answer.

[Satanic]

i loved this episode. i don't think they'll talk about the mother more. i kind of took it that she was simply the "jacob" of her time.

i think we'll see more flashback from jacob and the man in black though, because even though the mother destroyed the well, all that stuff with the wheel still got built.

it still seems like they are going to need more than the 3 hours left to tie everything together.

[Crotch-Rot]

I thought the whole "I'm gonna install this wheel that diverts the water and that's gonna let me get off the island" thing is lame. what?

[SnaKe]

I thought the whole "I'm gonna install this wheel that diverts the water and that's gonna let me get off the island" thing is lame. what?I kinda thought that too.

I dont think the MIB was "evil" until Jacob shoved him down the hole. Compared to Jacob he was the "bad boy" but not like he is now. He just wanted to get off the island. I think the SM is manipulating the MIB's desire to get off the island so he can kill all of mankind. I think we'll see the MIB redeem himself in the end.

[lamah]

hulu web exclusive on locke---desmon situation and locke's attempted killing of the candidates

http://www.hulu.com/watch/148813/lost-the-beginning-of-the-end

can anyone catch the last 2 lines of dialogue?

btw, did you guys noticed the dagger used by the MIB looks similar to the one the japanese leader gave sayid to kill the MIB a few episodes back? if true, why did that japanese guy have it?

[Wibby]

What an episode tonight. I'm really excited to see where the alternate time line is heading after tonight.

[Crotch-Rot]

What is up with Jack bleeding spontaneously in the sideways world?

It's about time someone killed that annoying Tina-Fey-Sarah-Palin-wanna-be assistant to Widmore. Geez, I don't like that character.

[DemonJester]

What is up with Jack bleeding spontaneously in the sideways world?

It's about time someone killed that annoying Tina-Fey-Sarah-Palin-wanna-be assistant to Widmore. Geez, I don't like that character.

I agree!

I am interested to see how Desmond is going to sync the two time lines into one and who is still living and who isnt in the end.

Ultimately we now know Desmond is the only one who is able to destroy the island.

[Satanic]

richard's death was pretty unceremonious

[Crotch-Rot]

but is he dead?

[DemonJester]

but is he dead?

I would say no, but with this show, who the hell knows.

[Crotch-Rot]

Can you believe the finale is on Sunday?

[DemonJester]

What I don't believe is how in the world they are going to make sense of everything with only 2 hours left.:popcorn:

[Crotch-Rot]

They cant'. That's why it's going to be 2.5 hours. =)

[lamah]

i don't believe he's dead either. i thought jacob had made ricardo like him too, isn't that why he doesn't age?

[DemonJester]

They cant'. That's why it's going to be 2.5 hours. =)

True..

[Satanic]

i'm gonna cry when it's over guys

[Satanic]

but is he dead?
I would say no, but with this show, who the hell knows.

I was watching this season on hulu and in one of the earlier episodes locke tells richard that he won't get a second chance to join him, so i think that means he's dead. but you never know.

[DemonJester]

I remember that scene. Perhaps is he dead then.

Guess we will find out tonight.

[SnaKe]

The big event starts in 5mins!
In case you didnt know there is a 2hr special preceding the 2.5hr finale. I didnt figure it out until I checked my DVR a couple of hrs ago.

[Satanic]

Dude.

[DemonJester]

Ok so let me get this straight, 6 years of watching this and they play the they were all dead from the beginning card??

Or am I totally missing something??

[Satanic]

no they were only dead in the "sideways" world. the ending was definitely way more metaphysical than i thought it would be.

my questions are still all about the island... what really was it? just a "cork"? how did it get there?

gahh! how dare they! i could edit this a million times with more questions!

overall, loved it though.

[Crotch-Rot]

you're missing something. They didn't die from the crash. Everything happened on the island, the leaving, the coming back, etc.

The sideways world is kinda like the place where their souls meet to "move on". So there's 2 separate story lines going on, the one in the sideways world where Desmond is getting them to remember so they meet to move on. And then there's the island story where they're preventing Smokie from leaving.

At least that's what I got out of it.

I love that the couple were re-united. It's sad and happy at the same time to see Jin/Jun, Sawyer/Juliet, Jack/Kate, Sayid/what's-her-name remember. Awesome!!!

I thought it was a great wrap-up for the series.

[lamah]

when sawyer and juliette were kissing, the whole time i was hoping jack'd walk by and then punch sawyer or something. everything seemed so clockwork.

also hoping in kimmel's live where they show the 3 alternate endings that one of them showing jack turning into the new smoke monster

[LordBeer]

I had to avoid this thread the last couple of weeks. Had a mini marathon of my missed episodes today to catch up before watching the finale.

Was a pretty satisfying ending. Didnt quite answer everything but I feel like it cleared up enough. I did kinda think the 'couples dance' was a little over the top sappy, but still nice to see.

@ satanic - yeah. Most of the things they didnt clear up involved The Island itself. So allow me to bitch for a min.. So this 'light' was an electro magnetic force? (The answer to Unified Field Theory? Haha) Entering the light turned MiB into the Smoke Monster. Why only him? I really wanted to know who built the big ass statue that was bowled over by the ship. Might have given some insight into who built all the things on The Island. How about MiB's name?

Ah well.. If I focus on that stuff, I'd just ruin the fun. I really did enjoy the MiB/Jack showdown. I also got a kick out of the commercials that really tied into Lost. Good stuff.

Kinda weird watching some of the cast on Kimmel now.

**If I missed something in the episode feel free to call me out as being a dumb ass.

[DemonJester]

that one of them showing jack turning into the new smoke monster

Actually I was waiting for that as well. Have not watched it yet but my guess is that doesn't happen.

Ok so apparently I missed the dead only in the sideways world, but alive still on the island.

I took it as the island was indeed purgatory as not everyone died on the island so the sideways world big meet up really made no sense (unless they were all dead from the original crash).

[Crotch-Rot]

also hoping in kimmel's live where they show the 3 alternate endings that one of them showing jack turning into the new smoke monster

This is a huge scam! They were no real alternate endings, just some comedic skits with the Lost writers and some of the cast.

Matthew Fox come out in front of the audience all teary-eyed and stuff. :popcorn:

[Satanic]

I did kinda think the 'couples dance' was a little over the top sappy, but still nice to see.

yeah, this part really reminded my how many women watch the show... if i wrote it, i would have had them meet in a bar and all share a beer LOL

[DemonJester]

OK after re-watching the finale again. Here's my take:

I get the whole island events were real, they really did survive the crash, some died on the island (sayid, boone, jack, etc..) others actually got off the island at some point or another (locke, sawyer, kate, etc) and died later.

I can also speculate why the purgatory meeting place, in the side world, was in LA, because that is where they all would have ended up if the flight would not have crashed in the first place.

What I dont get is why some important questions were not answered, like:


What the island was in the first place.
What did Hurley / Ben end up protecting the island from if Smokey was dead?

The list goes on and on.:deadhorse2:

Perhaps I am the only one that feels let down by the finale, I think the writers took the easy way out personally...
:minigun:

[Kriv]

Perhaps I am the only one that feels let down by the finale, I think the writers took the easy way out personally...
:minigun:


The finale was f-ing terrible. The purgatory theory has been the popular theory of fans since the second episode. If they are going to stick with that for 6 years, give us some damn info on the island.

The writers got too big on themselves and not what people liked. The mystery of what the hell is going on. I don't care that Kate and Jack love each other; I am trying to watch the good v evil battle. Oh...but wait.....I guess that battle didn't matter b/c they were dead anyway, or some of them were, or ....


Season one they had what? 50 or 60 million viewers? The finale pulled.....13 million. That tells you all you need to know about the storyline.

[Crotch-Rot]

There's 1 story line from season 1 to season 5 involving the island. Then 2 story lines in season 6, the island and the sideways world, which turned out to be purgatory. They weren't dead the whole time, only in the sideways world, Kriv.

[Leadfoot]

I thought it was a pretty cool ending, but I have trouble piecing together the islands relation to purgatory. They make a huge fuss about the light on the island, and the stopper that seems to be containing evil, but to me a show could have a variety of settings with a certain mystical aspect to it, and the ending might still have made sense... at least to the degree that it did in Lost. They didn't make it really clear what the ramifications of success on MIB's part would have been for the purgatory world.

[lamah]

after watching it again, i couldn't help but think in that scene where [ben said that it would be an honor to assist hugo, and the immediate scene in the sideway world where hugo complimented ben for being a great #2 and ben replied that hugo was a great #1], that there was a missing season of lost between those 2 scenes, where those 2 died at the end.....to join the rest in the sideway world

maybe the writers did had the intention of making jack the new smoke monster to go with the "lost lost episodes" during hugo's administration

[SnaKe]

After one viewing:
I totally get the purgatory angle. I thought it was quite moving when we realize that Jack is in the wrong place, not his Dad. (I had forgotten all about the heaven or hell theory from early on so it was a good moment for me).

My take was that there were no survivors from the plane crash. That's why at the very ending they showed the fresh plane crash with no survivors. Everything that happened to them could have been over 6yrs or 6 nano secs. I considered their time flash forwarding and sideways as time in purgatory being tested. But what I dont get is how Ben/Juliette/Desmond/Penny or anyone else that wasnt on the plane would end up with them in the church (or going to hell). When did they die? Unless maybe they were all part of purgatory too. But then why was Ben still outside the church and Desmond and Penny were in the church?

If anyone thought they were going to answer every question, well...
Besides, it would have just led to more questions.

I'm going to watch it again though.

@CR -Shannon

I agree the Kimmel special was a little weird.

[SnaKe]

after watching it again, i couldn't help but think in that scene where [ben said that it would be an honor to assist hugo, and the immediate scene in the sideway world where hugo complimented ben for being a great #2 and ben replied that hugo was a great #1], that there was a missing season of lost between those 2 scenes, where those 2 died at the end.....to join the rest in the sideway world

maybe the writers did had the intention of making jack the new smoke monster to go with the "lost lost episodes" during hugo's administrationGood theory. I didnt get what it meant.

[DemonJester]

After one viewing:

My take was that there were no survivors from the plane crash. That's why at the very ending they showed the fresh plane crash with no survivors.

I initially thought this as well but after watching it again I think that plane crash scene wasn't fresh (as I don't recall smoke or flames that would have indicated it just crashed, only parts) but at some point after everyone had either died or left the island and that was all that was left. Sort of like the "Statue" and the "Ship".

[SnaKe]

I initially thought this as well but after watching it again I think that plane crash scene wasn't fresh (as I don't recall smoke or flames that would have indicated it just crashed, only parts) but at some point after everyone had either died or left the island and that was all that was left. Sort of like the "Statue" and the "Ship".Well maybe not that fresh. :) But after watching it again i think i noticed some of their shelters in the scene too.

I also think the flash sideways was the real world now too.

[Wibby]

Here is something explaining the plane crash scene that was shown during the credits.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/109/1093031p1.html

[Crotch-Rot]

Here is something explaining the plane crash scene that was shown during the credits.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/109/1093031p1.html

Good info Wib. :thumbsup:

[SnaKe]

so when the fuck did they die!? the nuke?

[Leadfoot]

so when the fuck did they die!? the nuke?

Everyone in the "alternate reality" had memories of full lives from the island. Some died on the island, some died later. Just because they all realized they were in the afterlife at roughly the same time doesnt mean that they all died at the same time. Hurley and Ben talking commending each other as good number one and number twos were reference to them taking over the responsibilities of protecting the island (and supposedly for a while after Jack and MiB's death.) That said, I still dont really understand what the island itself had to do with the afterlife.

[-LiT- Killer_B]

so when the fuck did they die!? the nuke?

Jack died at the end of the episode
Jin/Sun died on the Sub as did Sayid
Juliette died in the "pit" during the incident
ETC...

The rest died at some point in life that we didn't see.

IMO the nuke brought them back to present time, away from '77.

[SnaKe]

If Jack died at the end of the episode, how did he survive the nuke? He wouldnt have been in purgatory yet.

[Crotch-Rot]

If Jack died at the end of the episode, how did he survive the nuke? He wouldnt have been in purgatory yet.

Holy shit Snake. You're all turned around man.

[Satanic]

damn dude you got derailed somewhere. the nuke just moved the people from 77 back to 04 or whenever it was, it didn't kill anyone. the island protected them from the actual blast i guess.

[SnaKe]

Ah, ok. I guess I am all turned around.
Edit: I thought the pergatory therory was the prevailing therory and I thought you had to be dead to go into pergatory.