Electronic cigarettes

[Crotch-Rot]

if you're not a smoker, please move on to the next thread. I already know that smoking is not healthy and the other bazillion health risks associated with smoking.

The following is info for smokers from me representing myself and not WiH in any shape or form.
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I started using e-cigs last week. I haven't had a real cigarette since then. The craving for real cigs are gone. The flavors for e-cigs are awesome too. So far, Peanut Butter Cup is my favorite. Anyways, if you can't quit cigarettes, this might be an alternative for you.

Hit me up if you want more info.

[JustMeBF2]

I haven't tried the e-cig yet. PM info.

I have tried alot of other nicotine replacement methods.
Gum, patch, etc.

I order some organic tobacco online thinking if I had to smoke I try and
get rid of all the added chemicals. They just added another chemical to make ciggs
go out if to don't smoke them.

Anywho I got the organic tobacco and hand rolled it without a filter.
I still felt like I was smoking air.
So I have decided I might be addicted to the chemicals and not the nicotine.

[kilroy0097]

I have someone at work that smokes E-Cigs or some sort of similar product. They are pretty good and I like how there is no smoke smell nor lung breathing issues.

Can you PM which E-Cig product you went with? There are several out there to choose from.

[sir_digalot]

let me know as i want to give my wife an alternative, she is thinking of quitting but i think that she is a bit nervous about what to do when she does not smoke, is it not sort of freaky to have a weird taste instead of the smoke you are used to?

[[GOD] Retroactive88]

Peanut Butter Cup E cigs? Do they have ****y flavor? Actually, I've been smoking for about 15 years, and am finally willing to quit sometime soon. I would be obliged to check this out. What is the price comparison?

[JustMeBF2]

is it not sort of freaky to have a weird taste instead of the smoke you are used to?

It is not usually the taste but the habit of having you hands busy.

[sir_digalot]

i guess i can see that ( i am a person who is constantly moving) the wife is scared of being a total be-atch when she is trying to quit

however i told her not to worry about it, i wouldn't notice the difference...



i spent the night on the couch

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I have a friend at work that uses one of those electronic cigarettes and he loves it. he said he has no intention to stop smoking so he is using this as a substitue so that he can do it when and where ever he wants without having to intake all the other harmful stuff in the regular cigarettes.

[Crotch-Rot]

Since there are several of you guys with questions, I'll just answer them here instead of continuining in PMs to each of you.


I have someone at work that smokes E-Cigs or some sort of similar product. They are pretty good and I like how there is no smoke smell nor lung breathing issues.

Can you PM which E-Cig product you went with? There are several out there to choose from.
I went with a Vapor King e-cig. A Vapor King is a branded KR808-D1 e-cig. So anything that is KR808-D1 model is the same from any place. This is a 2-piece design (battery & cartomizer). A cartomizer is a juice cartridge and an atomizer built into one piece. You refill it 4-5 times and throw the cart away.

I also like it bc there's no smoke. You exhale vapors and it dissipates right away. There's no smell either. My clothes, my apt, my hand doesn't reek of smoke and ash any more.


let me know as i want to give my wife an alternative, she is thinking of quitting but i think that she is a bit nervous about what to do when she does not smoke, is it not sort of freaky to have a weird taste instead of the smoke you are used to?
That's the thing with smoking. Not only is it a chemical addiction, it is also a mental, and physical (the hand gestures) addiction. So the e-cig allows me to still do the act of smoking, which for some reason is oddly satisfying. it's not the same, I know it's not the same, but my brain saids it's close enough and it's ok.

The taste thing is different. I've smoke hookahs before so smoking a fruity flavor or sweet flavor is not new to me. The flavor's different, but the throat hit is there, much like when you inhale a cigarette directly into your lungs vs mouth then swallow. Depending on how high of a nicotine dosage you select, the throat hit will vary.


Retroactive88;311361']Peanut Butter Cup E cigs? Do they have ****y flavor? Actually, I've been smoking for about 15 years, and am finally willing to quit sometime soon. I would be obliged to check this out. What is the price comparison?
The PBC flavor is fucking delicious! I kid you not. I was like OMG, I'm eating a PBC. I was thinking how long before someone come up with pu$$y flavor... or mary jane flavor...

You can get a bare bones Vapor King kit for about $40 which comes with 1 battery, 5 cartomizers in your flavor, and a portable charging case. I went with the complete kit for $90 but it came with all the extras that I could possibly want. From there, new packs of cartomizers (5 carts/pack) are between $10-$12. Each cart lasts between 10-15 cigarettes, maybe less if you're sucking them down hard and often. Juice refills are about $4 for a small 6mL sampler bottle, and $18 for a regular size 30mL bottle. A 6mL bottle will probably fill about 3-4 Vapor King cartomizers.


It is not usually the taste but the habit of having you hands busy.
That's correct. I'm kinda going thru a trial by fire right now. Since I started e-cig, I haven't smoked a single real cigarette. My gf, otoh, is doing both e-cig and real cigs. I can sit next to her while she's smoking a real one no problem. Normally, if she's lit up, I have to light up too. Now, the craving is gone. If anything, I take a couple of hits on the e-cig and I'm good to go.

Also, I bought my Vapor King from vapor4life.com. I buy my juices from same place and also from nhaler.com. Both owners are great to work with. They always throw in freebies like extra carts, juices, tweezers, etc... Nhaler's owner Drew mixes up his own juices that are made right here in the US. His High Voltage line designed for high voltage batteries are fucking awesome. I use those juices in my regular voltge Vapor King. They produce a ton of vapor, same if not more than a regular cigarette. Their flavor is also intense. There's only 12mg of nicotine in them, but somehow it hit harder than some of the 18mg or 24mg carts.

[papasan9]

interesting thread. my wife and i gave njoy http://www.njsmokes.com/home_g2?gclid=CP_-r6nQuJ0CFc5L5QodSHrIig
cigs a try last year. we own two, and we have tried 3 or 4 of the flavors. i got them for several reasons, 1. i hoped it would be a vehicle to quitting, 2. it was something i could smoke in non-smoking moments like long car trips etc. and 3. i was just interested.

i got the full kit but didnt get a bunch of backup cartridges. so i successfully didnt smoke for 4 days and then ran out of cartridges. so i smoked until i got more in, but i really didnt pursue it like i had after that.

now they are laying around.

the vapor is a suitable substitute for the process of smoking, its really nice to smoke but not smell like smoke and i would recommend them to anyone thinking about trying it.

ive made a vow to be smokeless by 40, which gives me 8 months to get my shit together. you all will know if i am successful by whether or not i am smoking at the mg shoot next summer.

i like the ecig concept and it works quite well actually.

[Crotch-Rot]

yeah, that's the thing papasan. you don't want to be caught without juice. The nicotine addiction is there for sure. I guess it comes down to what you want to quit. Do you want to quit the addiction or do you want to quit the cigarettes? Those 2 are different in my mind. I want to quit cigarettes, but I do enjoy the act of smoking. So this works for me. But if you want to quit the addiction, then this isn't gonna be the answer.

Cost wise, in the Chicago area, it is around $80 for a carton of cigarette. Both my gf and I can last 1 week on a carton. I take my share of the cig money for this week, $40 and bought a whole bunch of sampler juices like PBC, French Vanilla Coffee, Blueberry Crumble, Peach & Cream, Cherry Coke, Green Tea, Pear, Butterscotch, Rasberry, Chocolate, etc... That was about $40. Each sampler bottle will fill, let's say 4 cartomizers, that's 40 cartomizers. 40 carts is roughly about 30 packs of cigarettes or 3 cartons of it. 3 cartons of cigs is $240. So I save $200. I like saving $200.

[papasan9]

yup, that first paragraph is well put. i had many discussions with people about that. i actually dont give a crap about quitting nicotine if i can eliminate the carcenogenic properties and get my lungs back. i like smoking.... which is why the ecigs are pretty cool. i derived almost all of the enjoyment from the ecig experience plus felt like i could breathe better day by day. not to mention i took it into my office and smoked at will. the vapor disappears very quickly and the smell doesnt linger long. even so, when its butter cup smell, no one would imagine its coming out of an ecig.

i liked "smoking" at work. breakin the law, breakin the law :rockon:

i am going for no reliance on nicotine by 40. i think i will be short changing the goal if i didnt. njoy is not a bad second option tho. no smoke, no tar, no smell, no over 2000 chemicals.....that i really enjoy hehe.. man

[Crotch-Rot]

man the pear is really really good! Very fresh pear taste. :thumbsup:

[sir_digalot]

yeah, that's the thing papasan. you don't want to be caught without juice. The nicotine addiction is there for sure. I guess it comes down to what you want to quit. Do you want to quit the addiction or do you want to quit the cigarettes? Those 2 are different in my mind. I want to quit cigarettes, but I do enjoy the act of smoking. So this works for me. But if you want to quit the addiction, then this isn't gonna be the answer.

Cost wise, in the Chicago area, it is around $80 for a carton of cigarette. Both my gf and I can last 1 week on a carton. I take my share of the cig money for this week, $40 and bought a whole bunch of sampler juices like PBC, French Vanilla Coffee, Blueberry Crumble, Peach & Cream, Cherry Coke, Green Tea, Pear, Butterscotch, Rasberry, Chocolate, etc... That was about $40. Each sampler bottle will fill, let's say 4 cartomizers, that's 40 cartomizers. 40 carts is roughly about 30 packs of cigarettes or 3 cartons of it. 3 cartons of cigs is $240. So I save $200. I like saving $200.

dayum! i complain when i pick up a carton of cigs for $50! but i get them in lake county or in bensenville for that...

I really do not carethat the wife/kid smokes, that much, i do care about the smell though, it is now hockey season and we go to the car every break ( coz it is too cold outside to smoke andthe car is warm and we have beer in there too :D) the problem is the smell I drivethe car all week and if i am lucky i get the smell out of the car for the next game ( that does involve driving round with all the windows down for the week, not good in -20F weather.

added to the fact all the clothed smell too, (though suprisingly not as much as my folks cigs used to) my wife has developed a bad cough of late which we think is pneumonia again, which keeps recurring she knows she wants to quit but i do not think she wants to quit the habit as a habit, if she could do it as a "clean" habit i think she would and if it is cheaper then normal smokes then i am all for it and i think she would be too.

besides if she doesnot smoke then I would have no way of telling how well I did after sex... no smoke = no good :D

[JustMeBF2]

no smoke = no good :D
Funny

For the smell in the car and clothes fabreeze works great.

[atomicbob]

BBQ flavor...yeah. That's the ticket~

[sir_digalot]

Funny

For the smell in the car and clothes fabreeze works great.


yeah but the amount of fabreeze we go through *L* $200 on smokes a month and $200 a febreeze, and it does not work too well on electronics, i tried, it kinda fizzles

she seemed receptive though so might give em a buy and see

[papasan9]

we are averaging $45 per carton at the indian smoke shops.

mmmm pear. little off subject, i love gummy bears. when i was in germany i noticed the haribo bears green is pear, where as stateside the green is lime. im not satisfied anymore. i want pear...

[Crotch-Rot]

we are averaging $45 per carton at the indian smoke shops.

mmmm pear. little off subject, i love gummy bears. when i was in germany i noticed the haribo bears green is pear, where as stateside the green is lime. im not satisfied anymore. i want pear...

That makes me want to go home and suck down some pears. =)

[JustMeBF2]

we are averaging $45 per carton at the indian smoke shops.

mmmm pear. little off subject, i love gummy bears. when i was in germany i noticed the haribo bears green is pear, where as stateside the green is lime. im not satisfied anymore. i want pear...


$30/generic $40/name brand at the res but with a tax stamp.

I think cartons are like $18 without the tax stamp.

[MajorSystemError]

I now have the urge to suck on a pair too.. I mean pear. No, I mean...what were we talking about?

:big_eyes:

[Tykwer]

Funny

For the smell in the car and clothes fabreeze works great.

But what gets the fabreeze smell out?:)

[MajorSystemError]

But what gets the fabreeze smell out?:)

:lol:

[Crotch-Rot]

she seemed receptive though so might give em a buy and see

There's a sale right now from vapor4life.com. 2 Vapor Kings batteries, a pack of 6 cartomizers, a wall charger for $40. The only thing is that you can't select your cartomizer flavors. Which means you're gonna order at least another pack of cartomizers or juice bottle.

I suggest to sticking to the Vapor Kings or any of the KR808D-1 models. This model is the best in 2-piece design. If it's too complicated to use and maintain, then she'll just not use it. So KISS. =)

[kilroy0097]

Ok I just ordered it. I hope it works out well for me.

https://store.vapor4life.com/default.asp
The one that was on sale was out of stock. So I got this instead.

VK-2000-PCC VAPOR KING-ULTIMATE ULTIMATUM MANUAL KIT
[PCC Color:Black][Carrying Case Color:Blue][Battery Color:Black]

I also got the following refills.
LQ5PBCUP-LOW Nobacco Peanut Butter Cup Juice (5ml) - Low
LQ5CMEL-LOW Cmel Nobacco Juice (5 ml) - Low
VK-KAMEL-8 Vapor King Kamel Cartomizers (Box of 5) - 8mg

When I get it and try it out I'll give my own review on it.

[Crotch-Rot]

That's the kit I got too, except mine is auto. Vapor4Life has a great reputation for customer support. If something's not right, just email or call them. They'll make it right for you. For example, in my kit, I had 2 batteries. One had a really light draw, so I emailed them. They're sending a new one with my last order. Then the other one died for some reason giving me really hard draw. So I emailed them again and they're sending a replacement too.

I like the juices from V4L, and I really like the High Voltage juices from Drew at nhaler.com. Those are crazy tasty and produce a ton of vapors. So give him a try too when you're ready to sample the other flavs.

I'm at 6 days without a real cigarette. No cravings, or anything. I was pretty edgy and crabby the first 2 days though... But now I'm back to my normal self, AFAIK. =)

Good luck Kilroy. If you have questions, just ask bro.

[Mad5cout]

as a non-smoker (okay, occassionally I have a good pipe/cigar with scotch) I would like to fully endorse the e-cigs to smokers. Please stop blowing tobacco smoke at me when I am about to walk into a resturant to eat. I would much rather have scented vapor.

Interesting issue: Can you smoke these in places that have public smoking bans? Or in resuraunts with no smoking section?

[SoupyC]

Thanks for sharing Crotch, my wife and I will be ordering a kit tomorrow. :D I'll post what we get and impressions when we get em. We've been griping about all the money we've been spending on smokes, so this might be a good way to save some! Cheers!

[JustMeBF2]

as a non-smoker (okay, occassionally I have a good pipe/cigar with scotch) I would like to fully endorse the e-cigs to smokers. Please stop blowing tobacco smoke at me when I am about to walk into a resturant to eat. I would much rather have scented vapor.

Interesting issue: Can you smoke these in places that have public smoking bans? Or in resuraunts with no smoking section?

See first post.
This thread is for smokers only.

I love blowing real smoke in the face of whiners.

[Crotch-Rot]

as a non-smoker (okay, occassionally I have a good pipe/cigar with scotch) I would like to fully endorse the e-cigs to smokers. Please stop blowing tobacco smoke at me when I am about to walk into a resturant to eat. I would much rather have scented vapor.

Interesting issue: Can you smoke these in places that have public smoking bans? Or in resuraunts with no smoking section?
When I was smoking, I'd make sure to be away from the path of people walking into/out of establishments. But not everyone is like me... So I hear ya.

Since these are not cigarettes, but rather considered to be "Personal Vapors", you can legally use them in places with smoking bans. Some of the suppliers, like mine, give out business cards that explains what this e-cig is and that it does not illegal to use. Personally, I haven't tried it bc I just don't want the attention or the problems from those who don't know about e-cig.


Thanks for sharing Crotch, my wife and I will be ordering a kit tomorrow. :D I'll post what we get and impressions when we get em. We've been griping about all the money we've been spending on smokes, so this might be a good way to save some! Cheers!
No problem SoupyC. Let me know what you're ordering.

Today, I'm sucking down some Butterscotch. That's yummy too!

[papasan9]

yup, njoy sends the same card, its in my wallet. technically, all of the ecig style products do not violate any non-smoking bans. but... if its private property, they can do what they want.

these could be used on a plane even, given you dont get thrown off and cuffed before you were able to explain and convince.

[papasan9]

as a non-smoker (okay, occassionally I have a good pipe/cigar with scotch) I would like to fully endorse the e-cigs to smokers. Please stop blowing tobacco smoke at me when I am about to walk into a resturant to eat. I would much rather have scented vapor.


as a smoker to non-smokers, i would like to say you already have us banned from almost everywhere... i dont see any right you have of not smelling the smell of cigarette smoke. i have to smell non-smokers crappy ass cologne, hair products, bad breathe, girlfriend/boyfriend's stink on your fingers... but i have no avenue to have you banned.

banning smokers from public places isnt about health, its about people using health as the justification to not smell something they dont want to smell. well it has worked for the non-smoking lobby, kudos. i dont have any problem with not wanting to smell cig smoke.. but plenty of my senses get offended daily, i just move on, i dont try to push legislation.

anyway, tough shit.

edit- madscout... i dont know where you normally post, you and i dont post in the same threads too often, just saying i dont see you post too often. (that doesnt mean you dont, so maybe you are very active in other areas i am not). however, it looks like you decide that one of the few posts you decide to make is in the one thread where the very first lines say, "if you are a non-smoker move on, this is for smokers". now really. you are a troll, and im tired of you being a troll. it is too bad i guess im in the minority, because i would have booted you from the clubhouse a while back. i dont think i like the online you very much... or we dont have much in common. anyway, really, shut the fuck up.

[MajorSystemError]

I love blowing real smoke in the face of whiners.


:lol: That was pretty funny, Just me. I too am a smoker and wish non-smokers would stop blowing their non-tobacco laced breath near me, it makes me ill lol. Now let's all stop thread-jacking to express personal opinions and let poor Crotch help out all those who DO smoke and wish to STOP, as I'm pretty sure that's what his intent is...

[Crotch-Rot]

Today, I got a shipment of flavors in from vapor4life. Got a replacement battery. I was hoping for an auto batt, but they sent a manual batt like what Kilroy ordered. It's nice! Press the button and the atomizer activates. I do still want to get an auto batt since I want to use those GreenCig cartomizers with the VK batteries. Those carts only work on auto-batts unfortunately.

Anyways, got in rasberry, a different brand of peanut butter cup, and a sampler bottle of Chocolate juice. I'm going to refill a mint cart with the chocolate. I wonder if it'll taste like Andies Chocolate Mints... I haven't really sat down to try the rasberry or pbc yet. Tomorrow or Fri, I should be getting pineapple and caramel cartomizers in.

One of these days, I'll post my spreadsheet of the flavors I've tried and my ratings of them for you guys that are trying out these e-cigs.

PS. Thanks for guiding my thread back on track MajorSystemError.

[papasan9]

all this flavor talk is really making want to snack hehe. andies chocolate mints are the best. i guess i need to order some of this. ive been thinking about pear gummies all day. nothing like my brain making a solid connection between smoking and food... the too things i over-indulge.

will wait to see some ratings to order. thanks.

[Crotch-Rot]

all this flavor talk is really making want to snack hehe. andies chocolate mints are the best. i guess i need to order some of this. ive been thinking about pear gummies all day. nothing like my brain making a solid connection between smoking and food... the too things i over-indulge.

will wait to see some ratings to order. thanks.

My thoughts are order the hardware from Steve at V4L. He's awesome with customer support. If you have problem with a battery, he'll just send out a new one w/o requesting the old one back. Get the High Voltage juices from Drew at Nhaler.com. They vape thicker clouds and the taste is more intense. If you want thinner clouds, then get the juices from Steve at V4L. Both places are great to buy from.

The pear is fucking delicious man. I can't eat fresh pears bc I"m allergic to the pectin in those kinds of fruits, so the pear flavor is like a godsend to me.

PS> I need a smoking smilie.

[papasan9]

[quote=Crotch-Rot;311574 I can't eat fresh pears

PS> I need a smoking smilie.[/quote]

that makes me sad, and yes you do.

because i already own so much equipment by njoy, i will try to adapt using those oils or just sticking with the njoy refills. njoy didnt have any pear for sure, although i havent looked in a while. i think i will just get the cartridge refill oil, sounds easy enough.

[Crotch-Rot]

How did I forget this? Go to http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/ for lots of info. You will be overloaded. But particularly, read the sub-forums for Nhaler and Vapor4Life. You'll see lots of info and testimonies about these suppliers.

[Crotch-Rot]

that makes me sad, and yes you do.

because i already own so much equipment by njoy, i will try to adapt using those oils or just sticking with the njoy refills. njoy didnt have any pear for sure, although i havent looked in a while. i think i will just get the cartridge refill oil, sounds easy enough.

which model of the Njoy do you have papasan? you might be able to direct drip onto the atomizer.

[papasan9]

wow, its all there isnt it?

[Crotch-Rot]

wow, its all there isnt it?

Dont' read everything. It will make your head spin. Mine did... or maybe it's from the nicotine hits I've been getting from the butterscotch... MMMmmmm butter..scotch....

[papasan9]

i knew this question was coming.... i guess its the ncig style. i own two starter kits and have some flavors laying around. probably dried up by now.

i got that one because it had the longest battery life. i have two extra batteries too. i look gayer than hell with it, but it works well. insert smoking smilie..

[Crotch-Rot]

being gay is nothing to be ashamed of dude. Look at Grim... =)


edit: ah shit I clicked post too soon... anyways, I chose the 2-piece design for simplicity and low maintenance. Some poeple swear by the 510 e-cigs but they also have to do more daily to use it, like drip, dip, clean, fill, etc... With the VK stuff, screw-on, puff-puff long inhale. Every 2-3 days, pop the cap drip more juice in. When you guys get to the point of refilling, let me know, I have some tips for you to make it easier.

[papasan9]

i never thought of it that way... thats right grim's gay and cool... i can be cool... i can be cool like him... i can do it..

[JustMeBF2]

Some of the posts in the forum reffered to the ecig being illegal because of a nicotine clause.
But based on that the clove cigs (i think they are the ones) have lots of chemicals but
no nicotine would have to be covered on the "lit smoking" clause.

Anyway eciggs may not get you convicted but very well could get you in court.

[Crotch-Rot]

Some of the posts in the forum reffered to the ecig being illegal because of a nicotine clause.
But based on that the clove cigs (i think they are the ones) have lots of chemicals but
no nicotine would have to be covered on the "lit smoking" clause.

Anyway eciggs may not get you convicted but very well could get you in court.

Do you have any links to this bc of all the research I've done, it's not yet banned by the FDA or any governmental agencies in the US.

[JustMeBF2]

Do you have any links to this bc of all the research I've done, it's not yet banned by the FDA or any governmental agencies in the US.


From the forums you pmed me

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/

see if i can find specific links, I read in that forum for about 2hours.


VA http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/42502-virginia-smoking-ban-includes-e-cigs-per-dept-health.html


FDA http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/31565-email-i-got-fda.html


CAli ban http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/40580-12-days-left-before-ban-sales-ca.html

NYS is Suffolk county attempting to subsume e-cigs under their smoking ban http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/42587-anyone-know-nys-law-regarding-e-cigs.html


It is definitely a gray area. But it you have someone that doesn't know and they write the ticket and say "let the court decide if it is a ciggerette". Well hmmmm

I haven't even found out how they issue tickets per the ban here in Nebraska. First offense is $100.

I mean by the time our local cop shows up an hour later (his normal response time to all calls pop. 800) the said cigg
would be gone. If there is no photo evidence does the complainant have to witness in the court case?

[kilroy0097]

PS I need a smoking smilie.

http://planetsmilies.net/smoking-smiley-5431.gif <-- Mine :)

http://planetsmilies.net/smoking-smiley-5426.gif <-- You? :)

http://planetsmilies.net/smilies/smoking/

[Crotch-Rot]

http://planetsmilies.net/smoking-smiley-5431.gif <-- Mine :)

http://planetsmilies.net/smoking-smiley-5426.gif <-- You? :)

http://planetsmilies.net/smilies/smoking/

Awesome Kilroy!!! :thumbsup:

http://planetsmilies.net/smoking-smiley-5426.gif

[Crotch-Rot]

Thanks for the links JustMe. I'd like to add that:


CA bill to ban e-cig was vetoed by the Terminator.
The FDA wants to ban e-cig but is has not yet. Many thinks that it won't happen and if they try, it won't pass. We're not going to get into the politics of it all. I'm sure there are aplenty!
The VA ban is a ban from indoor smoking, much like many other states including IL.


So I think everyone who's using e-cigs are still legal within the eyes of the law.

http://planetsmilies.net/smoking-smiley-5426.gif

[JustMeBF2]

Nebraka's ban last June 1st.

To File a Complaint:
Complete the on-line reporting form, OR
Contact Sara Morgan at 1-877-633-7331, smoke.free@dhhs.ne.gov, OR
Contact your local health department.

Inspections
Inspections of facilities can be conducted by either a local or state health department in response to a complaint. An inspector will determine:

1. if an indoor public place or place of employment is entirely smoke-free and
2. if an outdoor smoking area meets the guidelines.

Penalties
A person who smokes in a place of employment or a public place in violation of the Nebraska Clean Indoor Air Act is guilty of a Class V misdemeanor for the first offense and a Class IV misdemeanor for the second and any subsequent offenses.

A proprietor who fails, neglects, or refuses to perform a duty under the Nebraska Clean Indoor Air Act is guilty of a Class V misdemeanor for the first offense and a Class IV misdemeanor for the second and any subsequent offenses.

http://smokefree.ne.gov/enf/


In Nebraska

Are electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) or chewing tobacco allowed?
Yes. The law only prohibits smoking indoors. Any cigarette-like device or tobacco product that is not “lit” does not meet the definition of smoking, so their use is allowed indoors. Businesses have the authority, however, to prohibit the use of these products within their business. It may be in the best interest of a business (especially bars) to prohibit the use of e-cigarettes because their appearance is so similar to conventional cigarettes that there could be confusion by the public about whether or not the bar is in compliance with the law.

[Crotch-Rot]

Are electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) or chewing tobacco allowed?
Yes. The law only prohibits smoking indoors. Any cigarette-like device or tobacco product that is not “lit” does not meet the definition of smoking, so their use is allowed indoors. Businesses have the authority, however, to prohibit the use of these products within their business. It may be in the best interest of a business (especially bars) to prohibit the use of e-cigarettes because their appearance is so similar to conventional cigarettes that there could be confusion by the public about whether or not the bar is in compliance with the law.

So is it worth it to use e-cig indoors? When I was smoking, there were times when I'm sitting inside, dying for a cigarette. Ever since I went on e-cig, that feeling of anxiety, desperation, anxiousness for a cig is gone. So, for me, it's not worth it to push the issue just so I can use my e-cig indoors. I'll just wait until I get a chance to step outside.

I used up all the PBC the other day, then filled the PBC cart up with Butterscotch yesterday, w/o clean the cart. I gotta say that the PBC flavor is stronger than the Butterscotch. I can't taste it too much at all. But my GF's cart, which was cleaned, and then filled with butterscotch, had great butterscotch flavor. Today's flavor is High Voltage Blueberry Crumble from Drew at Nhaler. I cleaned out the butterscotch cart before filling with Blueberry Crumble. Looking forward to tasting it...

So far, 7.5 days w/o a cigarette, saved myself from almost 70 cigarettes.

[sir_digalot]

double check the chicago laws but i think they are the same, these do not produce smoke they produce vapour rather like heavy breathing, however as has been mentioned there is always some dumbass who is too stupid and too violent to care, and there is also some whining twit who thinks you are smoking and can "smell" the smoke and will want to get you in trouble...

in a bar however i do not think anywone will give much of a shit...especially now that winter is coming...

this could be a blow though

http://news.softpedia.com/news/FDA-Warns-E-Cigarettes-Are-Illegal-117386.shtml

I ofte nthink the FDA are in the pocket of the big tobacco and drug companies too think of all the legal ( with perscription) drugs that basically kill you are the side effects are worse then the disease, and now look at e-cigs which still contain bad stuff ( no one said nicotine is good, nor any other chemical thatyou inhale) but generally do not pollute and hurt other people, (what you do to yourself is your issue not theirs)

i think what has happened is the FDA have been made to look stupid so will find an excuse to ban them, and anti-smoking groups are pissed because it circumveents their idea of quit or die, because they had to do it the hard way.

soon i am sure there will be massive complaints about the "vapour" which will contain carcinogens and riun things etc ( actually from a logical standpoint think of a room full of people with these things adding "extra" vaopur in the air AND all the different flavours i can imagine some bars smelling quite aweful (or nice) AND the additional vapour could cause issues with old wallpaper etc... but then again good HVAC should fix that...

I am all for these things myself, i think it is really the best of both worlds none of us have to smell like an ashtray the smoker gets to put whatever chemical they like in their body and still get the psychological effects of smoking, and really no one is hurt.

(for the record i am a non-smoker always have been, but, my folks both smoked, i grew up around smoking and smokers, and unless i am eating a meal, i do not care if people smoke or not, i actually miss the nightclub where there was the smell of stale beer and smoke... most smokers i know will not smoke when someone is eating anyway, and you know it is a sure fire way to get your food in a resteraunt... light up *LOL*, i agree with smokers rights, and i agree also that these bans have been bad for business, my wife wants her own bar, she has been working in the industry for years, and knows/knew many bar owners round chicago, none of them agreed with this ban, and even some non smoking bar owners hate it as their "niche" (a non smoking bar) is no longer a niche and they have lost business too. I know the risks of second hand smoke, and really do not care as long as i drive a gasoline car, solder electronics make models with noxious chemicals and generally burn bad shit all the time *LOL*. </rant> sorry had to say it :D

i think people with halitosis and bad body odor or too much cologne/perfume should be banned under the clean air act... ESPECIALLY when they are sitting IN FRONT of me at a hockey game EWEWEWEWEWWWWWWWW

BTW any smokers are more then welcome to light up in our house :D

[sir_digalot]

well i just ordered the kit for the wife, it is in place of a normal carton that she buys because she was given a carton as a gift and it works out about the same with shipping etc... i hope she likes them...

i notice nhaler.com has a nuport high voltage flavour i might get that for her next pay period ( the $10 shipping is a bit steep) but it might be worth it.

do the cartomizers come pre-flavored or empty? not sure on how the juices work ( these are questions she is gonna ask me, techinically it is electronic so falls into my realm of expertise... *LOL*

[Crotch-Rot]

well i just ordered the kit for the wife, it is in place of a normal carton that she buys because she was given a carton as a gift and it works out about the same with shipping etc... i hope she likes them...

i notice nhaler.com has a nuport high voltage flavour i might get that for her next pay period ( the $10 shipping is a bit steep) but it might be worth it.

do the cartomizers come pre-flavored or empty? not sure on how the juices work ( these are questions she is gonna ask me, techinically it is electronic so falls into my realm of expertise... *LOL*

I agree with you sir_dig. it would be naive to think that the FDA is looking out for the welfare of the people only. But let's leave that discussion for your political forum site.

Try those HV tobacco flavors and see what you think. I tried the regular Kent and Virginia but didn't like them. They didn't taste like tobacco. But they were also not from nhaler HV line of juices. Lots of people like the 555 and Menthol HV flavs. There's also the RY4 flavor that a lot of people like. I haven't try that yet, but I heard some people describe it as caramel tobacco flavor...

The cartomizers come pre-flavored from the factory. Once you vape them dry, basically once you notice the flavor is almost all gone, you can refill with more juice. If you order juices from nhaler, he's been giving away free long tweezers and dental pick to help with popping the caps off these cartomizers.

The $10 is steep, if you're only ordering a few cheap things. But if you order more, then it makes more sense. Anything over $100 from nhaler is free shipping. There's also a 10% off code "SAVEinNJ" for you to use. I have to place an order soon from nhaler too. I want to try out some "lung" juices, which are his concoction of various herbs and stuff, w or w/o nicotine.

[JustMeBF2]

:worthless:


Seriously thought I had all but given up on quitting.
But this thread has me motivated. (Thank you)

Do you think you could takes some pics or do a little youtube vid

on you equipment, care and use.

I will go look for some later on you tube.
I a have to go do some work right now.

[Crotch-Rot]

JustMe, There are a ton of videos on youtube on care, use, and demos of various e-cigs. There are vids of flavor reviews too. In the e-cig-forum forum, go into the vapor4life forum, there are stickies with links to vids and stuff on how to clean, refill, use their equipment. But I'll snap some pics of my equipment (not that equipment you pervs) soon.

[Crotch-Rot]

I just recieved another shipment from V4L in. Got pineapple and caramel cartomizers. They sent another battery to replace one of my other ones, and a free pineapple sample juice to refill with. Awesome! The new battery draws harder than the manual batt. I think it's the older design with 4-holes and no slot across the battery post. The 2-holes with slot has an easier draw. I like the easier draw bc I inhale straight into my lungs. It is harder to do that with the 4-holes battery bc it draws harder. But if you draw like some people smoke cigs where you puff into your mouth and then swallow, then the 4-hole model is better for that...

I tried the pineapple briefly and it's delicious!! citrus-ie and pineapple-ie. Yummy! I haven't had a chance to try the caramel yet. Fuck... I have too many flavors to try now.

[LordBeer]

This has been a very interesting thread. Thank you for all the information Crotch. I have a feeling I'll be looking into this in the near future. Cigarettes are EXPENSIVE in Chicago!

[Crotch-Rot]

No problem LB. And yeah, they are crazy expensive in Chicago. At my work bldg's convenience store, a pack of cig is $10!!! Norm is $8 in the city....

edit: Here's a picture of my e-cig paraphernalia
Blue case is a portable charging case, pink case is my GF's, there's a manual batt, 3 auto batts, a pass-thru batt, a bunch of juices, new cartos of all sorts of flavors, tweezers, dental pick, car adapter.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w150/impostor71/misc/1fb7bcbd.jpg

[SoupyC]

LOL...that looks like such a 'paraphernalia' picture. :D

:thumbsup:

[sir_digalot]

No problem LB. And yeah, they are crazy expensive in Chicago. At my work bldg's convenience store, a pack of cig is $10!!! Norm is $8 in the city....

edit: Here's a picture of my e-cig paraphernalia
Blue case is a portable charging case, pink case is my GF's, there's a manual batt, 3 auto batts, a pass-thru batt, a bunch of juices, new cartos of all sorts of flavors, tweezers, dental pick, car adapter.



uh-huh... trying to supress a little "Grim" inside are you :lol

[kilroy0097]

Man I can't wait for my order to ship and get to me. I want to try this out.

[Crotch-Rot]

uh-huh... trying to supress a little "Grim" inside are you :lol

Everyone's got a "little Grim" inside of them. Some more than others though. =)


Man I can't wait for my order to ship and get to me. I want to try this out.

Hey, the manual batts are niiice!!! If any of you guys got auto-batts that are too hard to draw, email Steve (if you bought it from them) and tell them you are not happy with the way it draws. He'll take care of you.

PS. Steve's peanut butter cup is really really peanutty! Last nite, after devouring down a couple slices of toast and blueberry jam, I puffed a few from my GF's pbc e-cig. OMG! It's like I ate a PBJ sandwich. I'm digging this pbc carto from Steve.

[kilroy0097]

Cool my order was shipped on Oct 14th from Chicago, IL.
So people who live in IL this is an pretty nice place to buy from since it's local.
I wonder if there is a tax since it's local for IL people.

[Crotch-Rot]

Cool my order was shipped on Oct 14th from Chicago, IL.
So people who live in IL this is an pretty nice place to buy from since it's local.
I wonder if there is a tax since it's local for IL people.

It's fast for me. I get it overnite basically, but I do have to pay for both shipping and tax. Steve is a really nice guy. He almost always throw in extras in the orders. He's been known to just send stuff out to people first and then they'll pay him later.

[Mad5cout]

as a smoker to non-smokers, i would like to say you already have us banned from almost everywhere... i dont see any right you have of not smelling the smell of cigarette smoke. i have to smell non-smokers crappy ass cologne, hair products, bad breathe, girlfriend/boyfriend's stink on your fingers... but i have no avenue to have you banned.

banning smokers from public places isnt about health, its about people using health as the justification to not smell something they dont want to smell. well it has worked for the non-smoking lobby, kudos. i dont have any problem with not wanting to smell cig smoke.. but plenty of my senses get offended daily, i just move on, i dont try to push legislation.

anyway, tough shit.

edit- madscout... i dont know where you normally post, you and i dont post in the same threads too often, just saying i dont see you post too often. (that doesnt mean you dont, so maybe you are very active in other areas i am not). however, it looks like you decide that one of the few posts you decide to make is in the one thread where the very first lines say, "if you are a non-smoker move on, this is for smokers". now really. you are a troll, and im tired of you being a troll. it is too bad i guess im in the minority, because i would have booted you from the clubhouse a while back. i dont think i like the online you very much... or we dont have much in common. anyway, really, shut the fuck up.

Let me start by saying that occassionally I enjoy a cigar or pipe. Pretty sure I put that in the first post. Thus i was generally interested in the topic. However, I pretty much consider myself a non-smoker as this is not habitual use.

To answer your question (if it was really a question) is that janky-ass cologne (which I don't wear btw) is not a carcinogen. Most public smoking bans are put into place not to protect other customers but employees of public places that tend to draw a lot of smoker - bars, restraunts, etc. It is a workers rights issue. The basic idea is that they should not have to sacrifice their health in order to work a job. Most of the time these bans are lobbied for by employees, not the "disgruntled non-smoker."

The next reaction here I know will be "get a different job." I am pretty sure I don't need to tell anyone here what the job market is and besides that would be discrimination in some sense and thus legally unjustifiable.

My comments were really not an attempt to troll but more of a joke. Sorry if that offended you as a smoker papasan. I think you and I have a lot of misunderstandings. I am a pretty abrasive person by nature but most of the time I am not being serious. You strike me as a very serious person and perhaps that is why you don't understand my humor most of the time. Its kind of funny that you call me a troll because from where I stand, it seems to me that you are usually the one to start the argument between us. I simply post and then you freak out. How that is my problem is beyond me.

BTW, if you want to read my posts you can always click on my name: http://www.warishellgaming.com/forums/search.php?searchid=332696

Also, thanks to whoever posted the legal stuff about this. I live in an area with a public smoking ban but I haven't seen these start to crop up yet.\

edit: papasan, for your reference: WiH forum rule 2: -- No personal attacks! Criticize ideas, not people. Flaming will not be tolerated.

[Crotch-Rot]

Man! You guys really crapped in my thread. Papasan, I love you man but you gotta chill the fuck out bro. Madscout, you told the owners that if we don't want you here, then you'd leave. So leave already. You cause more trouble than you're worth. So let me invite you by saying "Get the fuck out!!!"

Instead if deleting you guys' posts, I'm leaving them up so the world can see how little bitches can ruin a useful thread. Uugghhh...

[Mad5cout]

Man! You guys really crapped in my thread. Papasan, I love you man but you gotta chill the fuck out bro. Madscout, you told the owners that if we don't want you here, then you'd leave. So leave already. You cause more trouble than you're worth. So let me invite you by saying "Get the fuck out!!!"

Instead if deleting you guys' posts, I'm leaving them up so the world can see how little bitches can ruin a useful thread. Uugghhh...

I'd like to know how this was my fault. Seriously, I endorsed a product, asked a question (to which the answers account for about 90% of the last half of this thread I might add) and then papasan pissed in my cheerios. He made the poop sandwich, he can eat it. Leave me out of it.

How about this, I am going to post like I normally do because seemingly everyone else here had no problem with my post and actually responded to it kindly - as I said, responses to my post now make up about 25-30% of this thread and none but his are trying to argue with me and none of them accused me of highjacking as it is relevant information for the use of the product. Papasan can engage in his personal war against me and I will pretend he doesn't exist and go on about my day. I will simply stop entertaining his proverbial gauntlet throws at all and he can beat his head against a wall. I am not the ******* here.

[Crotch-Rot]

You are a troll. You incite problems thru what you post, and how you post it. How about you leave this community? Take a hint man.

[Mad5cout]

You are a troll. You incite problems thru what you post, and how you post it. How about you leave this community? Take a hint man.

Sounds like you need an e-cig. :yaya:

[papasan9]

Man! You guys really crapped in my thread. Papasan, I love you man but you gotta chill the fuck out bro. Madscout, you told the owners that if we don't want you here, then you'd leave. So leave already. You cause more trouble than you're worth. So let me invite you by saying "Get the fuck out!!!"

Instead if deleting you guys' posts, I'm leaving them up so the world can see how little bitches can ruin a useful thread. Uugghhh...

sucks doesnt it, ive had quite alot of my threads fucked...

[Crotch-Rot]

So did you guys get your Vapor Kings or whatever you guys ordered?

I learned of a tip this weekend. If you have a 4-hole e-cig and the draw is too hard for you, you can take a Dremel and cut a slot across the face of the post of the battery. Some people like the harder draw, some (like me) don't. So I'm charging my Dremel and will grind a slot tomorrow. I'll snap a picture and post it for you. The other you can do also is bore out one of the holes a little larger for more airflow. Adding air means the hit won't be as strong, also.

Let me know if you have any questions guys.

[sir_digalot]

The wife got hers... next day, i was kinda suprised but they are based in wilmette.

The problem is right now getting her to use it regularly, she is niot sure on the samples, the mint is a little too strong and the bud 8 is weird, i may buy some extra after payday for her, she was very suprised with the "smoke" vapour, so was my kid and a friend who all tried it, the blue LED in the end is pretty cool *L*

needless to say they all started coughing probably thinking it was not going to be too good and inhaled too much *L*

she does not know how to fill up the atomisers when they are dead though.

hopefully when she runs out of real cigs she will use this more, an esepcially in thecar

[Crotch-Rot]

The wife got hers... next day, i was kinda suprised but they are based in wilmette.

The problem is right now getting her to use it regularly, she is niot sure on the samples, the mint is a little too strong and the bud 8 is weird, i may buy some extra after payday for her, she was very suprised with the "smoke" vapour, so was my kid and a friend who all tried it, the blue LED in the end is pretty cool *L*

needless to say they all started coughing probably thinking it was not going to be too good and inhaled too much *L*

she does not know how to fill up the atomisers when they are dead though.

hopefully when she runs out of real cigs she will use this more, an esepcially in thecar

My GF still smokes her real cigs too. It comes down to how bad do they really want to quit. When we first started using the e-cigs, we were coughing too. That is caused by our lungs/throat not used to the vapors or the nicotine level being too high. I still cough a little here and there, especially after the first inhale of the day (I'm on 16mg and 12mg). The best way to use the Vapor King is to do slow short inhale. As you get used to it, you can take longer inhales. You can't take a drag like you do with a real cigarette.

The Mint is really minty! I recently got pineapple, caramel, and peanut butter cartos. All of them are delicious! Of the 3, the pinapple has the most throat hit, with the peanut butter and caramel being smoother. The peanut butter has the most flavor. it's like you just ate some roasted peanuts. I want to mix the caramel, peanut butter, and chocolate juices together...

If I'm refilling with a drastically different juice, then I pop the cap, blow thru it a few times (from the mouthpiece end) to get the rest of the remaining juice out (from the battery end), rinse the carto under hot water for 30 secs, blow out the water, let it dry overnite, then refill. Some people refill immediately after blowing out the water, with good results. This is a great video on how to refill the cartomizer.
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[Crotch-Rot]

Progress report: 15 days w/o a cigarette. According to an online counter, I would have smoked about 140 cigarettes... The other day, I had the worst craving for a cigarette. My cartos ran dry, both of them, bc I was trying to use them up so I can refill with new flavors. Unfortunately, they ran out while I was at work... Man, I wanted a cig sooo bad. But I held out by drinking coffee, taking walks, keeping busy to not think about a cigarette.

In the past several days, I puffed on orange, watermelon, mint chocolate chips, pina colada... All of these juices from nhaler are frigging delicious!

Any updates from you guys who tried the e-cig?

[JustMeBF2]

I haven't tried yet but really should.

Congrats on your success.

[Crotch-Rot]

Btw, if any of you guys received a batt that has a hard draw when you inhale, you might want to try what I did. I bored out the holes on the battery one at a time until it draws the way I like it. I used the 3/64" bit and carefully drill thru the existing hole. Be careful as you can slip and screw up the threads on the battery. Also be careful not to go too deep in.

Here's a pic of the Dremel drill bit kit that I used. $7 at a hardware store.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w150/impostor71/misc/80d69d51.jpg

[kilroy0097]

I received my VaporKings only 4 days after I ordered them. Steve even gave me an extra pack of carbonizers of Hiltons which I've never smoked before. I decided I would give the Kamel 8 flavor a try first before I attempt any other flavor. It kind of tastes like a strong Turkish blend tobacco. Much stronger in flavor than a normal Camel.

I am still smoking my normal cigs while at work just because I like to go outside for a bit and take a break to clear my head. But when at home I'm using the e-cig. So far it's not bad.

I received the package and immediately used the wall charger to charge one of the batteries for 8 hours. I think it was already fully charged because the light went from red to green in just a few minutes but I left it on there for 8 hours anyways just in case. The manual battery is interesting. It's not that inconvenient but I wonder what it would be to have one of the auto ones that just turn on when you draw by themselves.

I got one of those travel battery cases with my package that I could see using on a camping trip or something where there is no power. I wish however that the wall charger also had a USB connection on it so you could use your USB chargers in a normal wall socket if you don't have access to a computer or a USB someplace. I might have to buy one of those wall power supplies that have the USB connection on them just for electronics that need that sort of thing.

Thanks for posting the video on how to refill a cart. I was wondering how to exactly do that.

I guess I'll give an update later on how the e-cig experience is progressing.

Though I have one question.

Do you leave the cart on the battery over night? For example I've been kind of keeping the battery/cart screwed together in my shirt pocket and I don't ever detach them. Am I supposed to detach them when not in use? Or can I just leave them together until the cart is used up? I saved the little plastic caps and hole plug though for refilling or storage purposes.

[Crotch-Rot]

The manual battery allows you to draw slow. That produces a decent about of throat hit and vapors. With an auto, you'd have to draw hard enough to get the battery to sense that you're sucking on it. I have both actually and I like using both. Well, I like the manual much more when my auto batt has too hard of a draw. Now with the bored out auto, I like both about equal.

I keep my carto screwed in all the time too. The only time I unscrew it is when I just want to put everything in the PCC to carry around. Btw, all of Steve's batteries come about 80% charged already.

Give Drew a try with his High Voltage juices. It's a lot more tasty than the stock cartomizers. Plus they produce a crazy amount of vapors. I should make a video showing you that sometime.

Save everything, the plastic butt-plugs, the caps, everything...

[Crotch-Rot]

I snapped some pics as comparison of hole sizes...
Blue one is stock. Green is home-made slot and bored out holes.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w150/impostor71/misc/3faf94f9.jpg
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w150/impostor71/misc/3faf94f9-1.jpg

[sir_digalot]

the wife talks them up to anyone but has not taken to them yet, they are not "her" flavour of cig, so am going to put an order in and get a whole bunch for her. the problem is she is still smoking regs at the normal pace so this is getting somewhat expensive *LOL* even the eldest mentioned that she has this cool thing but she is not using it at all, and it is not about the nicotine.

i think right now it is still a novelty toy until she is serious about quitting, which will be whenever she chooses.

[SoupyC]

We had to delay our purchase till this upcoming weekend, but we're gonna be able to go all out. Gonna get the manual batteries and a sampler pack from nhaler.com

Cant wait!

[Crotch-Rot]

nhaler is a great place to buy from SoupyC. Drew is a good guy. Highly recommend it.

[Crotch-Rot]

24 days on e-cig. Haven't had a single analog cigarette. I would have smoke 220 of them otherwise.

Btw, if you guys don't want to mess with refilling. I've found the following cartomizers from V4L are tasty. So give these a try: Mint, Peanut Butter Cup, Pineapple, Rasberry, Peach Cobbler.

[MajorSystemError]

K, it's been a month since your last post - you still "analog cigarette" (love that term) free? 'Fess up!

[Crotch-Rot]

I haven't had a single "analog" since I started on the e-cig. I'm going strong at 57 days now.

I've been trying out different flavors from different suppliers. Some are WOW! and some are duds. The latest flavor that I really like is Ice Cream Sundae. It is delicious like vanilla and chocolate! Pink Lemonade is also refreshing. Keoke Coffee kicks my ass with an "in-my-face" bold flavoring. Gosh, there are too many flavors that I like!

I'm now down to 8mg/11mg on the nicotine level. I started at 18mg/24mg almost 2 months ago. My goal is to get down to 4mg of nicotine. At that point, I will decide if I want to stay on the nicotine train or just get off of it completely.

My GF have been using e-cig solely for the last 2 weeks without a single "analog". It took her about 6 weeks of slowly cutting her "analogs" down from 1.5packs a day to 0 cigs.

So far, the e-cigs are working great for me. I'm looking into mixing my own e-liquids and flavors so that I know exactly is in what I'm consuming. I'm also thinking about maybe selling e-cigs as well...

That's my update and thanks for asking Major!

[MajorSystemError]

Congrats! Holy crap, I wasnt sure of their effectiveness, but it sure seems to have worked for you. At +$10/day, I wish I could quit, may have to look into E-cigs.

:woot: for you!

[kilroy0097]

I have limited my analog cigs to about 3 a day. I am finding after meal cigs to be the hardest to substitute with my e-cigs. The rest of the day I use my e-cigs. I have not strayed too far from my initial flavors but I'm sure I will once I go exclusive e-cig.

I find also that I am smoking less with e-cigs. I take about 6 drags and I'm done for an hour or two. So far I like them a lot.

[Crotch-Rot]

That's great news kilroy!!!

For some people, the analog at morning coffee and after meals are really hard to drop. The suggestion that I've read is to buy a high nicotine e-juice tobacco flavor for use at morning coffee and a desert flavor for after meal use.

Btw, V4L's new XL batteries are really cool. Throat hit is massive, like a Pass-Thru!

[JustMeBF2]

Btw, V4L's new XL batteries are really cool. Throat hit is massive, like a Pass-Thru!

Please post the link to V4L's and if you could suggest a starter set.
If it is easier I could get on voip sometime and you could talk me thru it.

I am going to order soon and start after the holiday stress or sooner.

[Crotch-Rot]

Their site is http://www.vapor4life.com

They change their package deals a lot! I mean a lot! So best bet is to go there and see what they have going on. Use code "SMILIN" for 10% off orders.

With that said, I recommend the Ultimate Ultimate Vapor King Kit bc it contains everything you need. If you can't do that kit, then find one that has at least the following:


2 batteries
USB or Wall charger
3+ packs of cartomizers
1+ 5ml juice bottles


With this, you're probably good for about 2 weeks. But if you like it, place an order after 1 week bc it'll take another 4-5 days to get it. You don't want to be caught w/o juice. That's when most people revert back to smoking analogs.

Nice to have: Portable charging case (these won't fit the XL batts, tho), Car adapter, Pass-thru.

Batteries:

Short - These are light and looks exactly like an analog. The current batch has a defect from factory that causes them not to charge in the PCC and sometimes doesn't make connection with cartomizers. These feels a bit weaker than the regular length in terms of throat hit and vapor production. New batch is coming next week.
Regular - These are great! decend length. Good power and good throat hit. Great amount of vapors if you use it right.
XL - These are awesome for throat hit and vapors. Great power as well. I like them but I still revert back to using the regular length 90% of the time since I can't handle the big throat hit.


Remember that when you order, you tell them if you want a Manual or an Auto battery. You can also tell them if you want multi-logo, no logo or 1-logo. The 1-logo is what I recommend. THey look nicer and is the latest batch. Also tell them to give you the new 13-sec cut-off batteries, not the old 5-sec cut-off.

Cartomizers:

Almost all new people buy tobacco flavors. 80% of them find that they much prefer non-tobacco flavors. Really odd.
If you're a 1-pack a day smoker, I recommend getting either 24/18mg strength. .5 pack a day, get 12mg strength. If more than 1 pack/day, get either 24/36mg strength. Many find that they can't handle the high strength nicotine level even though they're 2 packs/day smoker. But I recommend getting a few nicotine levels. You'll figure out soon enough if it's not enough or too much nicotine for your body.
Do not throw out the cartomizers. You can refill them!!!

[JustMeBF2]

Ordered

http://store.vapor4life.com/Vapor_King_Ultimate_Starter_Kit_p/vk-1000.htm

Our Special Kit Includes: 2 batteries, 1 Manual USB Battery Passthru, 1 Custom Carry case,
5 CARTOMIZERS, 1 USB battery charger, 1 wall charger

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Mint Nobacco Juice (5 ml) X2 on High

[Crotch-Rot]

And you're on your way JustMe! That's a nice kit!!!

If you ever have problems with their juices or batteries, email them right away. They are very good at replacing stuff for you. Sometimes if they're out of a flavor/strength, they'll throw something else in in its place. If you don't like it, tell them with your next order and they'll fix it for you.

Btw, that mint is delicious! It's very minty and refreshing! It was my very first flavor as well. It's a bitch though, to wash it out of the cartomizers, if you want to re-use the cartomizer for a different flavor.

Also, Peach Cobbler is fucking delicious!!!

[Crotch-Rot]

Did you get your kit yet JustMe?

Here's a tip: Take slow draws on the e-cigs. if you can, inhale directly into lungs. That gives the most vapor, flavor, and throat hit.

[JustMeBF2]

it may be in the mail box but its a block away and -35 wind chill
warming up the van now to drive there LOL

even if there will have to let it warm up before opening OMG nebraska sucks


-35 wind chill hmmm mail may be late

[sir_digalot]

well next time i am gonna burn a hundred dollar bill *L*

she says they are not satisfying enough.... i.e. i am not going to quit.

oh well hope you guys have beeter luck in quitting

[Crotch-Rot]

well next time i am gonna burn a hundred dollar bill *L*

she says they are not satisfying enough.... i.e. i am not going to quit.

oh well hope you guys have beeter luck in quitting

e-cigs only work for people that wants to quit smoking. It is not a substitute for those who don't want to quit. How long and how much is she currently smoking? What nicotine strength was she using with the e-cig?

[JustMeBF2]

It's HERE.
Charging first battery and going to review thread and videos.

I am nervous and excited like a kid on xmas morning.
I think my mood is reflective of how serious I am to have this work.

[JustMeBF2]

OK so I was reading and using the wall charger on a battery and have the USB manual one, so I plug it in to an old PC and then I attach a carbonizer (cool 24)from one of the two boxes of 5. (Cool 24) and (Cowboy Menthol 24).
I line up the slots with the holes.
Hmm I don't know if the carbonizer comes prefilled.

So I take a little draw and get a menthol taste, but don't see any vapor.
So I take a big draw WOW

Coughed and am dizzy. It was like someone injected nicotine straight to my brain.

Here is a pic of what they sent me.

The wall charger and one battery are not in the pic as they are charging. I forgot to put the usb charger in the pic also.

[Crotch-Rot]

Unless you ordered a blank cartomizer, they come pre-filled with the flavor of your choice. 24 is a good hit! New cartomizers will take about 5-6 puffs to break-in. They should produce a decent amount of vapor and flavor. Just draw slow...

They should be gettng American SPirit flavor soon too. I'd like to try that since that is what I used to smoke as well.

[JustMeBF2]

It seems to be working, the manual usb power thing is easier to get vapor then the battery ones.

Not sure if I am using them exactly they way I am suppose to but
I am a heavy smoker and only have had 2 regular smokes in the last 8 hours.

The morning will be the true test as I smoke heaviest in the morning.

[Crotch-Rot]

one thing I learned is that it's ok to have regular cigs still. WHat's good is that you're cutting back on analogs. Eventually, you'll go off analogs complete. But until then, it's ok to have them when you really want them.

[JustMeBF2]

Well day 2 good I think.
I am maybe having a side effect. I feel tired all the time.
I am a heavy coffee drinker and have not cut back.
I took a nap yesterday and 2 today, but went to bed early last night and
plan on it again tonight.
Had 2 reg smokes this morning.
One after my first afternoon nap. I was so sleepy I did the normal thing of wake up and light up.
I smoked a reg cigg about 4pm just to see if it would wake me up.

So this tired feeling, I don't know where it's coming from.
But only 4 reg smokes instead of my normal 20+ is good.

[sir_digalot]

e-cigs only work for people that wants to quit smoking. It is not a substitute for those who don't want to quit. How long and how much is she currently smoking? What nicotine strength was she using with the e-cig?

she is close to a pack a day sometimes recently money has been tight so it has bee na pack every 2 days or so, but she has been buying them from her sister upstairs *L*

i emailed vapour4life when i ordered the menthols ( she smokes newports normally and has done for most all her life) so i got her the menthol flavour, she said it is not the same ( duuuhhh!) though i notice that the other place you linked to has a nu-port flavour i wonder if that is similar.

she says she wants to quit, but i do not think she does really, she has not cut back at all other then us not having money to pay for them.

she says it is her "only" vice....hehehehe

i would not mind so much but the bloody analogues stink so much in the car on my clothes in my electronics.... if cigs did not smell so bloody much i really would not care... oh and the fact they are f'ing expensive too but i am not paying for both analogues and electronic so i guess she has made her mind up

[Crotch-Rot]

Justme - That's pretty fucking awesome to cut from 20+ to 4!!! You're going to notice your body going thru withdrawal from the chemicals in the analogs. The first week for me, I was irritable and sometimes had stomache cramps. I still get stomach cramps here and there when I OD on the nicotine in the ecigs. But stick with it, and you'll notice that after a month or 6 weeks you'll feel better. You can taste more, smell more (good and bad here). You'll notice your lungs getting better and you can take really deep breaths. Good stuff. I think that you're body is not getting enough nicotine as it was getting before bc you're feeling tired. Nicotine is a stimulant and I'm sure some other chemicals in the analogs are too. So maybe that's what you're feeling.

sir_dig - That's too bad she's not ready to give it up. I tell you what, when I get paid at the end of this month, I'll buy your hardware (batts, chargers, cases) from you so you can recoup some of your money. But I can't use the tobacco flavors. My taste buds just doesn't let me do more than a few puff of tobacco flavors before I think it tastes bad. Plus I don't think any of the tobacco flavor is the same as the analogs. I mean, they just can't duplicate that burning flavor, taste and smell. They can duplicate the tobacco smell from a fresh pack, but not the burning stuff. Most people ended up trying some other flavors and loving it. Lots of people like the fruit flavors or the coffee flavors.

My gf is going on 3 weeks without any analogs. She was about 1 pack to 1.5 pack a day smoker. I'm really happy and proud of her. She doesn't taste and smell like an ashtray any more.

[Crotch-Rot]

I asked my gf about the tireness and she said that the first week, she was really tired too and can't sleep too well. But then after that she felt much better.

[Crotch-Rot]

Btw, V4L just put a whole bunch of cartomizers on sale in addition to the following discount codes.

HH15 for 15% off all orders over 50 dollars

HH20 for 20% off all orders over 100 dollars

[JustMeBF2]

I get way better/more vapor on my usb pass thru.
It still draws as hard but seems to get more vapor.
I wonder if that is a voltage thing.

I feel like I am on a hookah pipe with the usb cord.

[Crotch-Rot]

The USB passthru is good. It runs at 5v while the batts are at 3.7v. Now, the new XL batteries are 90% like the USB pass-thru. They're pretty awesome!

[JustMeBF2]

Looked around the website. They don't say how long they are.
I will probably have to email them.
I have one short 2 1/2 inches
and 2 x 3 3/8 inches.

Hmm.

PS Still only smoking 4-6 reg smokes a day.

[sir_digalot]

I get way better/more vapor on my usb pass thru.
It still draws as hard but seems to get more vapor.
I wonder if that is a voltage thing.

I feel like I am on a hookah pipe with the usb cord.


haha whole new meaning to Smokin' when you are playing a game

[Crotch-Rot]

serious! I use the e-cig a lot when I play video games. So at nite, I only use the 8mg flavors. Or sometimes I use this concoction from Nhaler, Sleepy Time Green Tea. It puts me out like a light and I get crazy vivid dreams that nite.

Edit: added a picture from someone with a lot of batteries.

[JustMeBF2]

vapor4life explained their batteries to me.
All the different lengths of batteries are 3.7v but the longer ones
that have more capacity will last longer before the voltage starts
dropping off, which in turn creates less vapor.

[Crotch-Rot]

vapor4life explained their batteries to me.
All the different lengths of batteries are 3.7v but the longer ones
that have more capacity will last longer before the voltage starts
dropping off, which in turn creates less vapor.

That sounds bout right JustMe and that's what I experience too. I typically use the XL to break-in a cartomizer, then I use the regular length during the day, and by nite, I'm hittin it on the shortie. =)

[Crotch-Rot]

How's it going JustMe?

I'm a few days shy of 90 days w/o a cigarette. It's been so cold here in Chicago, but it doesn't matter since my gf and I can just use the e-cig in my apt. No more bundling up to venture outside to smoke a cigarette. I love it!

Recently, I started using the V4L XL batteries. Those rock! They last all day even if I puff the shit out of it. Great for long gaming sessions! But if I'm sitting at the computer, I use the Pass-Thru. That thing runs at 5v and gives more flavor and smoke than the Auto or Manuals.

sir_dig - Let me know if you want to sell your e-cig batts and accessories. I'd like to keep some on hand to give out to friends who wants to quit smoking.

CR

[JustMeBF2]

Still making the adjustment. I was very tired the first two days and am still tired.
I am not sure what it is.
But for now I am happy with holding at 5-8 reg smokes a day compared to the almost 2 packs a day before.
I am in no hurry with current events being quite stressful.
Moving, house sale closes on Feb 1st, holidays, being snowed in and frozen, etc.
I have to be careful with the 24mg nicotine I ordered as if I suck on the ecig to much it raises my blood pressure.

gotta love my new man cave !!!!!!!!

x_6FGs6-43g

[Crotch-Rot]

Nice man cave JustMe! =)

[FozzyBear]

VERY nice JUSTME!

[sir_digalot]

the wife still wants to keep them for some reason...

even though she does not use them... though when ever anyone wants to bum a cig she gives them the e-cig *L*

[Crotch-Rot]

the wife still wants to keep them for some reason...

even though she does not use them... though when ever anyone wants to bum a cig she gives them the e-cig *L*

That's kinda odd that she doesn't use them but promotes its use to others... :dunno:

[sir_digalot]

i dunno i might start smoking it... i need a vice other then drink

her excuse is always that they are "not her brand" so she does not like the taste.

at least they do not cost anything to maintain so i guess when she gets desperate ( i.e. when i have not been and picked her up some cigs in a while) she can use it to kurb the nic-fit.... if it is charged that is, i might convince the eldest to use them though, she is young with asthma so would be good to make her switch now rather then too late for her own good, and she is not a cig-snob like the wife

[Crotch-Rot]

I don't see why you'd want to start using the e-cig when you're not a smoker. Pr0n is a vice, go surf for pr0n or something rewarding like that. =)

Vapor4Life has something like 80 different flavors to try. There's gotta be at least 1 or 2 flavors in there that your wife might like. But then again, if she's not ready to quit smoking, nothing's gonna work.

They have a sampler pack now of various tobacco flavors. I might try that just to see... On related note, I had ordered some juices from a vendor who makes juices. She gave me a bottle of RY4 caramel. RY4 is a tobacco flavor. OMG! It's delicious! Tobacco'ie and sweet caramel. Delicious!!!

[sir_digalot]

Pr0n is a vice?

i never knew that

guess i need to join The Pr0naholics United Social Support In Everyday Society group then *L*

[Crotch-Rot]

a US district judge in charge of the lawsuit between Smoking Everywhere vs the FDA, ruled today that the FDA does NOT have authority to govern e-cigarettes!

Yay!!!

[sir_digalot]

w00tness!

now they can BAN cigs completely.... (not that i care other then the pocketbook)

however it could be a good opportunity to be a e-cig reseller since they will be adding more restrictions to analogues and more people will choose e-cigs

[Crotch-Rot]

After using e-cigs for 4.5 months, I lost the craving for nicotine altogether. When I was on vacation a week ago out in LA, I wanted to see what happens when I try to smoke analogs again. The first 3 puffs were deliciously tobacco'ie and then the rest were just gross. It tasted like I poured an entire ashtray into my mouth and is breathing it. Ewww.... Over the course of 3 days, I tried smoking 3 more cigs. I couldn't do more than about 5-6 puffs on each cig before feeling sick and grossed out. I ended up just putting them out. I'm going to keep this memory in my head for the next time or whenever I feel like I want to smoke again.

So I'm totally done with my e-cigs too. No more nicotine intake for me. Overall, I felt that e-cigs totally worked in helping me quit smoking. It was painless, pretty much. I slowly reduced my nicotine dosage and eventually my body stopped craving it.

[JustMeBF2]

Congratulations
I haven't made it yet but am still on the path.
It may just take me longer.
Thanks for sharing the ecig with me.

[sir_digalot]

did you notice more coughing when smoking the ecigs? that is also (another) one of her complaints.

she has a bad bout of bronchitis at the moment, most liekly because of a long time smoking, amongst other things, and, i suggested the vape, and she says it makes her cough even more. she has not been smoking as much since she has been sick, but she should either go cold turkey ( and lock herself in the bedroom for a few days *L*) or try alternates, as it is she is uber bitchy because she coughs alot, and now cannot smoke a third as much (but tries) and is not getting her regular nic fix.

btw a bad illness was how my mom in law quit in 2000 she had flu for a week or so and dod not smoke because she could not, and that was it.

I think once you have the 'taste' out of your mouth/system like you said the 'ashtray' it is alot harder to go back but if you keep them going while you try you will neverreally know how gross they taste.

as i told her before, and i tell my youngest, i do not care for the health issues of cigs, what you choose to kill you is your problem not mine, however i HATE THE SMELL! thats all it is with me is the smell. thats also the part my wife cannot get , since we have had unseasonal weather her in chicago we have had the doors open, and the house wreaks, i must smell like a bar when i walk into work in the morning, the booze from the night before and the smell of stale cigs *LOL*

[Crotch-Rot]

When I was not sick and using e-cig, I cough with the first vape of the morning. The vapors tickle my throat causing the coughing. When I was sick and vaping, it made me cough more than normal bc of the nicotine throat hit. I had to decrease my use of the e-cig while I was sick.

Now that I haven't smoked in a while, I really notice the cigarette odors of the people who does smoke. I hate walking thru clouds of smoke now than I ever did before I started smoking. I think it's more of a mental rejection of smoking and anything related to it, more than anything.

[sir_digalot]

the mental part is THE most important part.... everything else is just chemical *L*