What makes you choose to Punish for TK vs not Punishing?

[karl_58sow]

Yesterday I was punished for shooting down a friendly jet... it kinda made me mad but I guess they were probably mad too.... I couldn't help that my heat sinking missiles veered off and went after them instead tho.. and they both punished me within split seconds of the TK which leads me to believe regardless they were going to punish. My question is.. Would you punish for this? What makes you choose to punish vs not punish? PERSONALLY, I try to only punish people that TK purposely.

[wihadmin]

Also note that there is a bug either in the client or the server side where the dead player won't even be presented with a choice. It just automatically punishes without even asking the player. Sometime I get the choice. Sometimes I don't.

[meltdown]

I would probably punish, unless it is someone I know. Reason being I don't know WHY exactly I got Tked just that I did. They may have flown a jet into me (in which case IMO they shouldn't be flying on the server), or shot me up on purpose (again in which case they shouldn't e on the server), there is no way to know. But again if it is a regular I forgive unless I miss key as I am fairly certain they didn't intend to kill me (other than the time I TKed Dinky because he grabbed my medic kit to revive me and I was stuck with his sucky support kit).

[karl_58sow]

Heh... Oh well, regular or not I think we should give someone benefit of the doubt.

[Father Goose]

I almost never punish because stuff happens, ya know? I have Tk'd many times by accident.

I punish only when I KNOW it was on purpose, or just through PURE stupidity.

[Phenix]

For regs I always forgive...for others I wait for a "Sorry" "sry" (or something over the radio) or a "My bad"...If I don't see a response I Punish.

[hamhawk]

If you don't hit yes to forgive within 30 seconds, it automatically punishes.. which is stupid =P

[wihadmin]

And we have th server set to NOT punish by default. The server just ignores that setting and punishes anyways.

[Phenix]

And we have th server set to NOT punish by default. The server just ignores that setting and punishes anyways.

I suggest you sit down with that server and give it something it won't ignore, like the back of your hand! POW! Heh that wouldn't solve much and your hand would be sore but sure would be funny to watch :hehehe:

Anyways, I forgot to mention that lately I haven't been waiting for a response from non regs, I've just been punishing. It's just irritating when you run into a squad of enemies, take em out and your teammate(or as they're often called here "asshat") sneaks up on you and shoots you dead.

[Bonez]

i punish if someone does somthing to purposely get tked by me in the first place then ends up tking me.

or just out of stupidity, like running me over with a tank when i'm near a wall.

or hitting me with a jeep when i ask for pickup.

[CP[]Zangetsu]

i only punish if the person really really deserves it. For example, if i was a medic and i was running towards an injured individual and i get caught in a crossfire by one of my teammates, i immediately press forgive cuz its common sense.

For me it has to be really deliberate or outright stupidity in the part of the other player.

[Knottwobad]

I never punish the first time someone TK's me unless it seems like they did it on purpose. You know when you sit there capping a flag and they walk look at you for a minute or so then blast you. I may also punish if they punished me without out thought of it maybe being an accident.

[GroovyDude]

If I know the person, or I feel like I was at least partially to blame, then I don't punish. Otherwise, I give them the page down.

[DinkyPoopStick]

I punish for intentional TKs and people that don't check thier fire

[monos]

if some retard runs over MINE I PLACE And then punishs me thats just wrong. you punish me because you are stupid? or someone ignores the flashing circles and bright red arty symbol and runs into an arty strike and then punishes me? BULL! otherwise if i tk i accept whatever punishment i receive aside from those 2 scenarios. as far as whether i punish or not. it depends if i am getting tk'd left and right at least i get to do something that way. if it seems like an accident i do not but if i see them tk someone else and then do it to me? punish.

[theweightofarms!]

i'll only punish if it is obviously not an accident, otherwise i don't really care if it happens.

[karl_58sow]

Nothing more upsetting that putting a well placed arty strike down... and you accidentally TK two people... The thing that REALLY gets me are the people that punish within 1 second of you TKing them... They obviously just punish anyone that TKs em without any sort of thought.

Me, personally. If someone was doing it multiple times I might punish... Or if it really made me mad... alot of times what I'll do , is ask them why they did it.. and if I get no sorry then I'll punish. But I never just get mad and BAM punish em just like that...

[zigen]

I punish for intentional TKs and people that don't check thier fire

Deleted. If you have a problem PM me.

[Jekyll24]

I almost never punish because stuff happens, ya know? I have Tk'd many times by accident.

I punish only when I KNOW it was on purpose, or just through PURE stupidity.


I'm exactly the same way. It is so easy to accidently TK in this game, that I forgive most stuff. I just hate when people punish so damn quick, they don't even wait for a "sorry". Yesterday I remember I was in a gun implacment mowing down a squad of guys trying to take a flag when a team mate ran right through my line of fire. I was laying down a constant stream of bullets and didn't even see him till he was right in front of me . He didn't noticed me (and my tracers) or the 6 other bad guys rushing us. So of course he was cut down because I didn't even have a chance to stop shooting, and instantly I was punished... I guess thats what I deserve for defending the flag :wallbash:

[karl_58sow]

Yea Jekyll thats the thing that upsets me MOST about this game. I kid you not, the people that punish me for TKing them is the worst part of this game. I mean... I guarantee we are all guilty of getting mad and pressing to "PUNISH" them, but the best quality players are still gonna try their hardest to use that feature the way its SUPPOSED to be used. It was made so TKers can get kicked and banned after a certain amount of TKs. Instead we have regulars getting banned cuz people are A$$HOLES.

[GroovyDude]

I punish for intentional TKs and people that don't check thier fire

Funny coming from someone that tk's to get position on a chopper, to pad stats. :jerkit:

let's not bring up items that have already been resolved please.

[=HR=Gumby!!!]

Personally I never punish even if it pisses me off, unless it is 100% intentional. Most of the time you know when it is and when it isn't.

[UncleHo]

I only punish Bonze :dunno:

[Jab316]

85% of the time i forgive and 15% i punish
I punish if:

1. Somone1 kills me in purpose

2. if someone is completly stupid and throws a nade in a crowded place

3. Stupid commanders that do aritillery without making sure that team members are around

But other than that i ALWAYS forgive. i can understand that he was trying to shoot the enemy but i was in the way and i died, thats kinda my fault
i also understand when i run into a vehicle and die, thats totally my fault for not being carefull
I have seen "you have been punished" many times but I have NEVER seen "you have been forgiven". i dont understand why people have to be this way :(
I have played for like 61 hours and heres my behavioral stats:

Kicks 2 Bans 0
Team Kills 90 Team Dammage 34
Team Vechicle Dammage 19

[karl_58sow]

The only thing I ask is that everyone here... PLEASE restrain to some sort of morals when punishing... The only thing that upsets me more about getting punished is getting punished by regulars here on WIH. Thats what made me write this post, I was pissed! I even said sorry , explained why I had no control over it , why the punish , etc.. no answer from either of them.

[vonkroll]

I punish for intentional TKs and people that don't check thier fire

Funny coming from someone that tk's to get position on a chopper, to pad stats. :jerkit:


Dude don't even know where u are coming from?
Plus kind of off topic.


Me i puinsh all the asshats, for being re-turds. When it's a blatent TK, i check ur fire or TK'ing for a tank/chopper.

But when the TK's funny or my own frnkly stupid mistake ... no.
And when i mean funny, it's when "i find it funny, silly or i know who, how and why"

Not the retards version of funny, am killing you over and over dude way

[dbodenheim]

Zigen your profile says Tampa, Fl. Where do you live? I live in St.Pete.

[zigen]

Zigen your profile says Tampa, Fl. Where do you live? I live in St.Pete.

I currently reside in south Tampa at the moment. Right across the Gandy bridge from you.

[Phenix]

Zigen your profile says Tampa, Fl. Where do you live? I live in St.Pete.

Hijacked...

Anyways, I noticed that the tk'ing wasn't so bad yesterday, I don't know if anyone could confirm this but did the update fix the allies as enemies thingy?
:dunno:

[zigen]

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Anyways, I noticed that the tk'ing wasn't so bad yesterday, I don't know if anyone could confirm this but did the update fix the allies as enemies thingy?
:dunno:

I sure hope it did. I can't stand being punished for tk's that you thought were enemies because of the colors being mixed up.

[Bonez]

I only punish Bonze :dunno:can't punish a legitimate long range kill.

[LordBeer]

Most of the time I will forgive. Although, I am a lot less likely to forgive someone who may have punished me earlier in the game.

[Barumpus]

Personally, I only punish if I feel it was intentional. During a heavy fire fight with OpFor in all directions, stray bullets normally find friendly targets. They just lack the common sense to "bounce off". If we had really, really smart rounds, there would be no need for a punish option.

[dbodenheim]

For Zigen:

I live on the other side of Gandy kinda near the dogtrack. And I work over at Macdill.


For the thread:

I have never seen so many people run out in front of vehicles in my life. Even my dog isnt as stupid as 90% of the BF2 community. My skills in this game are graded as fast as I can type sorry in the chat window. Of course it doesnt help that the slightest bump from a vehicle results in instant death. Wouldnt it be hilarious in real life if Navy Seals were killed the instant they hopped out of a boat moving 5 miles an hour. :jerkit:
Things that I hate being punished for:

--driving a boat and someone hops out before the boat stops. Ergggg death! You have punished for teamkill.

--any slight bump from a vehicle just starting to move. It honestly reminds me of that movie "Top Secret" where the germans loose control of their jeep and slightly ding the Pinto. BOOM! You have been punished for teamkill.

--mines and claymores go without saying. Any asshat that runs over a mine or a claymore and presses the "punish" button should be atuo-kicked from the server without question. Just hit the button and bam "YOUR BANNED FOR BEING A JACKASS". I have yet to see some ******* strategically lay mines and claymores to purposefully kill his own team, so it isnt a problem.

--arty strikes I always forgive because that is really the one and only time Im not glancing at my radar. If im battling for a flag Im not looking at the radar and I dont blame the commander for it. Its not me being stupid, just busy. Also when I am the commander I always place the arty strike a littl ebehind the enemy force. I dont always get as many kills but my team doesnt suffer either.

--I always wait 5 or 6 seconds for an apology, unless it was obvious. People punish so fast though its like they dont care.


I cant wait for someone to shoot a real life video called "Punished for teamkill." It would be hilarious.

[Multiplex]

Zigen: I'm over in Valrico. :)

dbodenheim: I will always punish for mine TK's if they have mined 2 or 3 vehicles inside of their own base. It's a waste of team resources if you have a tank, an apc, and a jeep sitting inside your base trapped because some asshat mined every exit.

I'll run one lap looking for a way out... and if I can't find one I'll run over a mine on purpose and punish the TK.

[CyberHULK]

There are some utter asshats out there, this one guy just kept shooting me everytime I spawned and it was so annoying. Eventually he was kicked coz I kept on punishing his TK'ing.

This one time I actually took out an enemy chopper while in a jet and saved like 7 of my guys who were pinned down, of course the one guy I accidently TK'd was an asshat and I was punished... after saying sorry.

Unfortunatly there are going to be asshats out there that missuse the TKP button but it mostly punishes asshats and we have to put up with the occasional wang. I only punish if it's on purpose or if the bastard is completly lost ingame... then I take him aside and explain what the deal is.

[=HR=Gumby!!!]

Zigen: I'm over in Valrico. :)

dbodenheim: I will always punish for mine TK's if they have mined 2 or 3 vehicles inside of their own base. It's a waste of team resources if you have a tank, an apc, and a jeep sitting inside your base trapped because some asshat mined every exit.

I'll run one lap looking for a way out... and if I can't find one I'll run over a mine on purpose and punish the TK.

Wow.

[Lord_malak]

i punish for stupid tks except for grenades thrown at an enemy i hate it when i get punished for throwing a grenade at an enemy and some iddiot walks in front of it. :wallbash:

[Multiplex]

Wow.

Wow because...?

[Merlinex]

Last night ...

"(VOIP to Squad: Guys I'm going to lay claymores near this flag we just took)"

2 Mins later while defending one of my squad members gets killed by my claymor.

Punished for TK.

$&%^##@&#&%^# .... just venting.

[=HR=Gumby!!!]

Wow.

Wow because...?

Wow because intentionaly getting yourself tk'd just to punish is 1st. childish 2nd. somthing that has gotten pubbers kicked.

[Multiplex]

Mining your base without leaving an exit for your own teammates is childish. Me clearing a mine is not childish. If you disagree then more power to you. If you are gonna mine your base you should mine likely entrances for the enemy but still leave a way for your own vehicles to leave. It doesn't have to be a huge gap in mines but it should be identifiable when you get in a vehicle and roll out to try to be a productive member of the team.

If that gets me kicked... then kick me.

Mining a base in is on par with claymoring friendly spawn points and running people over intentionally with vehicles... and then expecting not to get punished. Yeah right.

[=HR=Gumby!!!]

If you're so ready to die to clear a mine, why don't you just suicide and come back as an engie and clear it with the wrench? I fail to see how wasting a team tank, apc or whatever just to run over a mine just to get so you can punish the enig who laid it down is being a"productive member of the team". You say you just want to free up the vehical...so you do this by blowing it up...doesn't that defeat the purpose? Hell if your going to do that get spec ops and just blow the vehical where it sits so you save yourself a death. This'll get you kicked too but obviously that doesn't bother you.

[Multiplex]

If you're so ready to die to clear a mine, why don't you just suicide and come back as an engie and clear it with the wrench? I fail to see how wasting a team tank, apc or whatever just to run over a mine just to get so you can punish the enig who laid it down is being a"productive member of the team".

Since the base is mined in to begin with... meaning that vehicles won't be leaving whether I blow it up or not makes the point of it being a waste of a vehicle moot. Very shortly after I respawn the vehicle typically respawns as well, meaning I can get out of the base with only a 30-45 second delay, a single death, and a smile for punishing someone for doing something stupid. That's not a bad trade IMO.

What you fail to realize is that people must know when they are doing something wrong. If it's a purposeful miner who is trying to be an ass then it won't make any difference if I tell him to stop, so I will give him the TK in hopes that he will get kicked eventually; in the mean time giving him a negative to his score is added icing to the cake.

Just accepting the TK without punishment means that whoever mined it to begin with will simply do it again, costing me more and more deaths.

Sorry that you don't agree... it's your perrogative of course. I'll be keeping up this practice in order to dissuade people from mining vehicles into a base. That way... my team won't be stuck jogging to remote points without vehicles and get slammed by an enemy armor column that would be a PITA to destroy.

I should also note that I this is only one unique scenario which I would ever purposefully force a TK. Even so, I always make an effort to find a way out of the base... Gotta keep that K/D ratio looking half-way decent after all. :)

[Phenix]

I'd have to agree with Gumby on the fact that if you're going to be in a armor you should be an engineer, and if you're an engineer then just clear the mines with your wrench...Don't get me wrong multiplex, I understand your frustration towards this situation, but theres better ways to deal with it.

2 noobish acts don't make one..leet..act.. :dunno:

[=HR=Gumby!!!]

What you fail to realize is that people must know when they are doing something wrong. If it's a purposeful miner who is trying to be an ass then it won't make any difference if I tell him to stop, so I will give him the TK in hopes that he will get kicked eventually; in the mean time giving him a negative to his score is added icing to the cake.


So you're the BF2 police now? Just let the admins know if someone is being an idiot and they'll fix it.

[[W33T]DarknessWithin]

I gpot hit with the 'team change color' this morning and I have to apologize to the few teammates I punished before I realized what was going on. EVERYONE in my squad was shooting at me, so it should've been a hint. :dunno:

DW

[Multiplex]

So you're the BF2 police now?
Heh, yeah. That's pretty cool now that you bring it up. That would make a sweet sig: "BF Police... Locking up llamas who mine in their own vehicles!"


Just let the admins know if someone is being an idiot and they'll fix it.
When I see an admin on TS whenever I see this happen I will surely bring it up. (it'll save me some deaths) Otherwise, I handle it how I handle it.

This dead horse has been beat. I'm bowing out agreeing to disagree.

[karl_58sow]

Alot of times its pretty obvious whether it was intentional or not multi.. unintentional TKs are pretty easy to identify and there is no need to punish for the first one.

[atomicbob]

I didn't know you could clear mines with a wrench!!!!

I've tried shooting them with a tank shell, hitting "G" and picking them up, and many other things. Most of which killed me (playing with bombs not advised).

I nearly always have a wrench though. How cool!

:jester:

[Multiplex]

You can also remove claymores as long as you approach them from the correct direction. :)


Alot of times its pretty obvious whether it was intentional or not multi.. unintentional TKs are pretty easy to identify and there is no need to punish for the first one.

I never punish for accidental TK's (except maybe once if I hit the wrong PG ** button on accident). I didn't even punish a commander who called in artillery on top of me once. I was surrounded by 7 or 8 enemies at a key control point... I probably wouldn't have lived anyway; he made the right call and even apologized in advance. I told him I wouldn't punish before the rounds hit... and I didn't when they blew me up.

[[W33T]DarknessWithin]

Last night we were in a chopper and the "blue dude" (not member of the squad) flew us OVER TOP of our own artillery as it was firing...I think that was the most embarassing death I've had yet. Our commander was like "How in the !@#$%^^ did I just T/K you guys?" Anyway, that was a forgivable T/K
:D

DW

[DinkyPoopStick]

The commander was AtomicBob and I did not forgive that guy, I told him in game he could let me fly if he wasn't too good. He obviously disregaurded my offer and thought himself good enough to fly, hovering above live arty is NOT good flying (yes he hovered over it for a good 10 secs)... I punished him.
I think of punish like jail, it should not be used as punishment but as a rehabilitaion. If you TK because you didn't check your fire (footnote 1), I punish to tell you, don't do that again or you will loose 2 more points.

Footnotes
1) If there is a Blue and a Red dancing around 2 feet from each other with knives drawn, don't open up with your PKM, you WILL kill your team mate.... that is not checking your fire.

[Multiplex]

Dude WiH isn't the same as playing in a league. You aren't entitled to a piece of equipment just because you're better at using it than someone else. That's how people learn... and I don't blame them for not wanting to learn on a ranked server. I would'nt want to waste *ANY* time not playing on one wth the ridiculous numbers needed for higher ranks.

I don't care how good at flying you are... it's not a league and you're not part of a "crack clan" that's trying to be uber league material... learn to respect and then help newbies. Teach em a few thing instead of getting so upset with them.

[atomicbob]

Hah!!! Worst thing was, I got punished by someone (as commander), fo Tk'ing that chopper pilot that was hovering over my arty.

Chizzo on my fazizzo@!@!

I couldn't believe my eyes!!!

What a putzy punish that was.

:thumbsdown:

[dbodenheim]

The commander was AtomicBob and I did not forgive that guy

Dinky............................what are you insane. Atomic Bob is a legend here at War is Hell. He has more pull here then you do by far. You punished a regular. He is the shittiest Counterstrike player ever. He totally sucks and that is his legend. In Battlefield 2, second to me ( and Bob will argue this point) he is the best tanker on the server. I , in my own mind, am the best tanker on the server. Some people will laugh at that, some people will back it. Plenty, will tell you Bob Is. Thats my point right there.

I cant believe that you read these forums and do not know who Atomic Bob is. Shame on you Dinky. You know how well I shoot your Blackhawk down in a tank right? ( dozens of times) Atomic Bob does it just as well or better. Shame on you Dinky.

You should be kicked off these forums for not acknowledging Atomic Bob.

[atomicbob]

Hold them horses dude! I don't think Dinky punished me (if he did he was the "dinkiest"poopstick). I think dinky punished the pilot of the chopper for flying into no man's land like a lamo, the dinkhead pilot punished me for artying him off my transmitting end.

But I could be wrong. Doubt it...... me and dinky was both, "like wow" did that happen?

Me and dinky have been teaming up and he wouldn't be the kind of dink you may think he meant.

That said, you are easily the 2nd best armor guy on the server.

That also said, I do concede to you, the most comedic poster ribbon.

Salute dude!

http://www.therealmartha.com/Watchmy6/salute.JPG

[DinkyPoopStick]

I didn't punish Bob, I meant to say I wanted to punish the pilot...

Multiplex, I am not saying you have to be all pro to play with me I never have said that and I never will say that. What I was trying to say was I gave that guy the option of allowing someone with skill to fly. He neglected my offer and carried on with no warning of his inept inability to fly. Had he said "thanx for the offer but I wanna fly, and I suck" I would have said "OK im outta here."

I do disagree that it is all happy hunky dory to practice flying with me in the back seat and not let me that you have no idea what you are doing and we are not going to even make it off the island. I have spent MANY hours (i made this argument before) practicing on empty or near empty servers and I think almost everyone here that played POE/DC can back me up.
When WiH didn't have a ranked server I played there with almost totally empty servers practicing while others were on ranked.. again I know many admins and players here that will back that statement up too. so plz don't say that NO ONE will practice on unranked servers because I have, Meltdown has, Cal has, Crotch has, and many other have.

AGAIN..... I am not saying you have to be good to play or fly, but if you are jumping in a BH with 5 other peoples lives in your hands, you have no idea how to get out of the main, and you don't tell me this after I offer to help..... I will punish you

[wihadmin]

Lately, I punish everyone. Punishing is like a little spanking. I like giving little spankings to all of you guys. :nuts:

When I jump into a helo, within 10 seconds, I can tell if this guy can fly or not. If not, I chute out right away. Just bc you're in the chopper doesn't mean you're brain-dead. Use your head. Is this pilot going the same direction I want to go? Is he going to risky territory? Is he going to crash? Did he have beans for dinner? Stay alert. Stay alive.

[DinkyPoopStick]

Jeff, I went back and reread what I wrote that made you think I punished Bob i said

"The commander was AtomicBob and I did not forgive that guy"

I should have said

"The commander was AtomicBob. I did not forgive the pilot"

the "The commander was AtomicBob" part was in reply to DarknessWithin's post of
Last night we were in a chopper and the "blue dude" (not member of the squad) flew us OVER TOP of our own artillery as it was firing...I think that was the most embarassing death I've had yet. Our commander was like "How in the !@#$%^^ did I just T/K you guys?"
hope that makes more sense Jeff.

[CyberHULK]

Yep, I hate it when a newbie who can't fly shoots you for the chopper and then crashes it 10 seconds later... TEAMKILL PUNISH! Some people should just stay out of vehicles and actually use the weapon their kit has, you never know they may actually find out they're a :sniper: marksman :P. But getting back to the subject, some people do have an itchy punish finger and punish every TK. It's not that they shouldn't punish, it's just that they have to remember to only punish the really stupid and deliberate acts. Just because you "walk" into artillary, doesn't mean the commanders at fault, there is a big red circle with a red arty cannon in the middle 5-10 secs b4 hand... maybe that's a hint to leave the area... maybe.

BTW No personal attacks in my posts, if it sounds like your situation that you posted earlier i'm only generalising and it's not personal...

[LeRoy Boxley]

Punishing is out-of-hand. If I'm in the middle of a big fight and I run in the middle of it and get TK'd I forgive, because it is my own dumb-ass fault. If I'm at my own flag or an enemy flag that is surrounded by enemies and I get TK'd because of an arty strike I forgive. I actually think about the situation before I punish, it doesn't seem anybody else does.

What pisses me off is when ppl run over my mines and punish me for it, WTF!!!!! I make sure I lay my mine on a straight away so they are not hidden around a corner or just over a small hill so ppl have time to see them. So I know they were just being idiots and not paying attention, that really pisses me off. When our server gets going, ppl will be banned for punishing for stupid s#!t.


LeRoy has spoken!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blitzkrieg]

Great server. I agree TK punishment has gotten out of hand. The last 2 times I have been punish is because some one ran over a mine. The other and most frustrating one was when I was a Spec Ops and took out a tank, buggy, and 3 enemies taking a flag and I guess one of my teammates was around when I detinoated the c4 and killed him and got punish for it. Saved the flag. I very very very rarely punish because I know people do it by accident.

[DinkyPoopStick]

I have flown Black Hawk's and had enemy and freindly jets fly into me, Sometimes i get 5 tk's, and if that happens if they are not people in TS i usually get 5 punishes. THAT is crap :upyours:

[[W33T]DarknessWithin]

It IS getting out of hand. I actually quit playing last night because I kept getting punished for ACCIDENTAL TK's. A guy was in my tank turret, didn't tell me to stop, jumped out and got run over and he punished me for it. It wouldn't be QUITE so bad if it wasn't so EASY to TK now, especially when driving a vehicle.

Laying mines is becoming an excersise in futility as you get punished for them now, even though a big red skull pops up on the screen.

Another thing is the "rouge" shell thing now that shells can bounce off of tanks and such. People think you shot them when in reality you shot at a tank and the shell might've bounced. But you get punished for it.

DW

[wihadmin]

The only good use for a mine is when you jump, throw them onto armor. Next time they move, BOOM!!! It's like instant C4 w/o having to press the button.

Mines are also good for TK's when laid on the ground. They don't show up unless you press "left ALT" for the 3D map.

[Phenix]

The only good use for a mine is when you jump, throw them onto armor. Next time they move, BOOM!!! It's like instant C4 w/o having to press the button.

Mines are also good for TK's when laid on the ground. They don't show up unless you press "left ALT" for the 3D map.

That's good to know, I've been using engi a lot lately, I just don't like the fact that when team members run over your mines they punish you...I never block a entrance to our base but yet they find a way to hit em.. :thumbsdown:

[TrinitronX]

heh... whenever I pressed the 3D map button, my computer dies a horrible death, due to the memory leak filling up my pitiful amount of RAM

[Nelle]

Whenever you punish someone...how exactly does it effect them? Like...what exactly happens to them when someone is punished???

[[W33T]DarknessWithin]

They lose points. -2 if not punished but -4 is punished.

DW

[karl_58sow]

And after a certain number of punishes you get 20 minute temp ban, like I did the other day... all accidental and sometimes they even ran into my fire.

[RiverSteve]

I have flown Black Hawk's and had enemy and freindly jets fly into me, Sometimes i get 5 tk's, and if that happens if they are not people in TS i usually get 5 punishes. THAT is crap :upyours:
You wont ever have to worry about that from me. Especially after the run we had the other day with you flying and me gunning.

[Multiplex]

The only good use for a mine is when you jump, throw them onto armor. Next time they move, BOOM!!! It's like instant C4 w/o having to press the button.

Mines are also good for TK's when laid on the ground. They don't show up unless you press "left ALT" for the 3D map.

Thanks a ton for that suggestion... I got 4 kills from a Blackhawk on Kubra Dam by throwing a mine on top of it from a level up. I had no idea dropping a mine on a vehicle would automatically detonate it when they move... woo.

[vic.tz]

Things I hate getting punished for:
1. running over my mine
2. second explosion on a destroyed vehicle
3. heat-seeking missiles gone astray
4. road kills

I barely punish now. Only time I'll punish is when the teammate had ample time to know he was firing at a teammate. Once in the demo, a AT teammate emptied 2 mp5 clips at me before killing me. I was hopping around shouting "Cease fire!" but he reloaded and kept shooting. I punished for that one.. :jerkit:

edit: do either the auto -2 or the punish -4 take away from the total team tickets? or does it only affect the individual's score?

[karl_58sow]

Don't forget about the TK glitch Vic.. he either thought you were an enemy because of glitch, he's dumb, or he's an ass.. I think you have a 66% chance that he deserved that TK anyways heh

[RiverSteve]

I would like to just get rid of the tk/punish all together. Yes, it was a good thought but it isn't working. Just let the admins and the tk/kick server settings handle it. I never punish cause there's too much room for doubt and too easy to get TKed by a vehicle. But I have booted a guy for punishing cause he ran over a mine.

[hamhawk]

played in a server today.. can't remember name.. I think EGO or something.

But they had a very nice policy.

*Punish's for unintentional TK's will be kicked


There wasn't a single tk punish from people running in front of a tank/other vehicle in the 2 hours I was there.

[CyberHULK]

I barely punish now. Only time I'll punish is when the teammate had ample time to know he was firing at a teammate. Once in the demo, a AT teammate emptied 2 mp5 clips at me before killing me. I was hopping around shouting "Cease fire!" but he reloaded and kept shooting. I punished for that one..

edit: do either the auto -2 or the punish -4 take away from the total team tickets? or does it only affect the individual's score?


The red name glitch caused me to kill two of my guys and luckly I was a medic and could revive them :P After that I made sure to take note of the uniforms so I didn't take them out again... and to answer your Q it's a punish for the TKer only, not the whole team. It may be a pain in the ass but When the :jerkit: 's move onto the next game and leave us real Battlefielders to play on, the TK situation should fix itself.