Fovos' New Computer Specs - Did I miss anything?

[kilroy0097]

Newegg Wish List Kilroy-Fovos (https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=11623987&WishListTitle=Kilroy%2DFovos)

The address if it doesn't work for some reason is...

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/PublicWishDetail.asp?WishListNumber=11623987&WishListTitle=Kilroy%2DFovos


Ok for those that know hardware. This is the machine I have built for Fovos So hardware gurus, please look at this list and see if I missed anything. I need someone to double check my work before he orders it.

Please no E-Penis trolling. I could care less about the size of your small dick and your over compensation through computer parts. Leave that shit for another post.

Do not worry about Keyboard, Mouse or Monitor. He does not need those just yet.

Please review this quickly. He must order before May 31st or he will have to pay sales tax!

This is a review on the motherboard if you need more specifics: Link (http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/motherboards/1748_1.html)

[Drayu]

why the cable extension?

and go to tom's hardware, I think it was there I saw a great review on thermal compounds.....and there were ones better than AS5, just may want to look into it.

[kilroy0097]

The Cable Extension is specifically for that Antec 182 case. There is a wire management system space behind the motherboard base and if you use it with the power supply in the bottom portion of the case sometimes your cables may be too short to reach some motherboard ATX power connections. The power cable extension fixes that issues so that you can make your case as clean in design as possible.

It's a very small inconvenience when compared to the enormous benefits of that particular case model.

P.S. - I thought Fovos, due to his artistic background, would appreciate also the attractive visual qualities of that case. Heck he could even do an air brush custom on it if he wanted to. Personally I thought the gunmetal surface was beautiful. I bought one already and after examining the case in detail myself I find it to have no equal that I have seen yet at a similar price point.

As for the Thermal Compound I replaced it with ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound. There really shouldn't be any need for anything else. This special thermal compound is non-electronically conductive so there is maximum protection against shorts if you should use it to replace the thermal sticky pads underneath the North Bridge. It also doesn't require setting and claims to not have to be replaced for 8 years. I didn't know but apparently Arctic Silver 5 needs to be reapplied every year or two. I didn't know this.

[Drayu]

did you find the link I was talking about?

[kilroy0097]

did you find the link I was talking about?

No. I searched the site and couldn't find it. Found lots of comment in the forums though but nothing informative. ASUS has a high performance paste and a few others but from what I saw the differences are seen in less than 2 to 3 degrees Celsius.

[Uncle_Ho]

It looks good to me, but I am wondering what is E-Penis trolling?

[kilroy0097]

It looks good to me, but I am wondering what is E-Penis trolling?

You know when you post specs for a computer and someone has to either one up your spec for no apparent reason other than to show that their E-Penis is larger and this makes them a better guy because of it. Or they say that you should get a "insert top of the line most expensive PC product here" instead of what you have listed because it's obviously the best since it's the most expensive and plus they already have it so it must be the best.

An example might be an answer to my original post with, "I have two 9800 GX2 in SLI! They kick so much ass and my uber PC runs Crysis on Ultra High Settings!" etc etc.

That's what I mean by the phrase.

[Uncle_Ho]

Oh yeah, what almost everyone that has ever answered one of my tech post's has done, I got ya.

Without showing my e-penis, I have heard that you get faster performance from 1 gig sticks of ddr3 than you do 2 gigs. Saw it in a Toms Hardware article awhile back, but haven't tried it yet.

I guess that has trade offs though.

I found this definition:


An E-penis is the virtual power someone has through control over others through computers as long as that control does not extend to real life, like doing hacking that causes you to gain real money. Simply put, E-penis is a measure of how much power you have on the internet's. E-penis can be from power from controlling a BBS, chat room, ISP, live journal, message board, website, or wiki. It can come from being powerful in a game (whether from wasting their life away to gain skill or by cheating). It can also be from the old-fashioned past-time of mail bombing; maybe even Denial of Service attacks over IRC (large scale DoS get you sent to prison).

E-penis has and always will be a source drama. The examples are too numerous to list.

[kilroy0097]

The Mainboard is DDR2 800 memory compliant. Not DDR3. The Memory is 2 x 2GB sticks so unless you want to shell out more money for a single 4GB stick, there isn't much better. With 4 DIMM slots that's a max of 8GB in the future if need be. I think that's good enough for the life of this computer.

The reason I went with that type of motherboard is because all the motherboards that take higher level memory are not all that much better for the price. Motherboards with 790i NB cost way too much plus they are DDR3 which is way over priced right now. Come Jan 2009 when the new Intel CPU and socket comes out then DDR3 will go down in price because it will be mandatory on all systems from then on.

Ok. Anyone else see any issues?

[Uncle_Ho]

Sorry, the ddr3 in my last post was a typo I ment DDR2

[Fovos]

Thank you all very much guys, especially kilroy for his time.
If no one post any major issues as kilroy said, im going to put the order in by monday afternoon.

[Uncle_Ho]

You will be very happy with that system for sure..

[Fovos]

for sure i will be really happy, first of, i havent play a fps game since last july!!!! and forget about my last system..., thought i can find many similarities for what im building now!!!
now i got the 9800 gtx nvidia before i had the 9800 ati all in wonder pro...lol
and im going to use the same $20 keyboard and my trusty $15 mouse im using now!! lol.

[Aeromotor1]

Very nice system Kilroy, I'll remember to get your help on my next. I like to read the threads you write after reading all those articles for yourself and us. Seeing as I haven't been keeping up except to what you and others have posted over the last several months.

@Fovos, kill'n n chill'n rig baby!!

[kilroy0097]

Fovos has probably ordered his parts by now.

Do me a favor Fovos and document the build. Take pictures of stuff and putting it together. I compare computer builds with buddies to putting together a kit car. It's like Christmas when you get the stuff. You look at it all as if you will never see anything better. Then getting to have fun putting it together. Beer, Pizza and handy wipes for those greasy fingers. It's a good time when it all goes well.

[Fovos]

yes i already order everything. i will take photos of boxes coming and opening boxes. langlee is coming over to help me put it together, so i have to restock on beer .
everything is coming from NJ so i guess i will have everything by tuesday except the video card that is coming from California

[kilroy0097]

Well with that Newegg Tour in the NJ warehouse in the other thread I posted you can now know from beginning to end. :)

[Fovos]

today friday i got my last part the video card. almost to miss it since i had my wife's graduation.
as always neweeg fast delivery. i will take photos and post them by tomorrow, and hopefully by sunday/monday with langlee's help i will have this baby running.

[frank_rizzo]

if you plan on over clocking good luck with the 780I. If your going to run SLI with the video card you have you wont see anything extra in games.

also for your power needs go with a better company. Like pC power and cooling or OCZ.

for the money if you are over clocking you can find better ram as well.

video card your not going to get much over a 8800gts (g92).

[kilroy0097]

if you plan on over clocking good luck with the 780I. If your going to run SLI with the video card you have you wont see anything extra in games.

also for your power needs go with a better company. Like pC power and cooling or OCZ.

for the money if you are over clocking you can find better ram as well.

video card your not going to get much over a 8800gts (g92).

780i is not as good as say the P35E or X38 in overclocking but since he wants to go Nvidia there wasn't much of a choice. It sucks that Crossfire is getting so much better support in chipsets with P35, P45 (coming very soon), X38/X48. Meanwhile SLI has been getting the shaft with the crappy 680i and then the ok 780i and now the over priced 790i. It's kind of sad really.

SLI with two 9800 GTX KOs? Well according to the benchmarks there is an increase in performance but like with all SLI/Crossfire setups the marginal increase of performance is not equal to the initial performance gain of the first card. That is accepted and understood for knowledgeable computer builders. He has been warned. Also with only $50, give or take $20, difference between the 8800 GTS 512mb and the 9800 GTX KO, it's worth the slight increase.

Power was certainly an issue as one stipulation for the build was 1000w power or better. After searching through all such models I decided upon a PSU that had connections for a SLI future need with either a 2x 6pin powered Video Cards or 1 6pin and 1 8pin video cards. Since we have seen that configuration on the 9800 GX2. It's entirely possible that Nvidia may move to that power model on their video cards in this next release. We don't know so I was future proofing his rig. It was the best rated PSU I could find with that particular future protection in it. I was thinking ahead.

Lastly on the memory. The memory picked are rated for overclocking and are decently rated. They are of lower mhz because that is what the motherboard will accept stock. He can alwasy over clock them as the motherboard also supports that. We went with this type of MB and Memory due to cost issues and we had a ceiling on cost.

Anything wrong with that reasoning? :)

[frank_rizzo]

780i is not as good as say the P35E or X38 in overclocking but since he wants to go Nvidia there wasn't much of a choice. It sucks that Crossfire is getting so much better support in chipsets with P35, P45 (coming very soon), X38/X48. Meanwhile SLI has been getting the shaft with the crappy 680i and then the ok 780i and now the over priced 790i. It's kind of sad really.

Whats the point or y would you want a Nvidia if your not running SLI? The reason y Nvidia is getting the shaft is a long one. go read bout it.
You can get a Intel chip set that will run any single Nvidia card or will run x-fire.

If he has his mind set on a Nvidia chip set then look at the 750I.



SLI with two 9800 GTX KOs? Well according to the benchmarks there is an increase in performance but like with all SLI/Crossfire setups the marginal increase of performance is not equal to the initial performance gain of the first card. That is accepted and understood for knowledgeable computer builders. He has been warned. Also with only $50, give or take $20, difference between the 8800 GTS 512mb and the 9800 GTX KO, it's worth the slight increase.

try more like about a 100 bucks.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130325
same company.



Power was certainly an issue as one stipulation for the build was 1000w power or better. After searching through all such models I decided upon a PSU that had connections for a SLI future need with either a 2x 6pin powered Video Cards or 1 6pin and 1 8pin video cards. Since we have seen that configuration on the 9800 GX2. It's entirely possible that Nvidia may move to that power model on their video cards in this next release. We don't know so I was future proofing his rig. It was the best rated PSU I could find with that particular future protection in it. I was thinking ahead.

The company is what I have a problem with.



Lastly on the memory. The memory picked are rated for overclocking and are decently rated. They are of lower mhz because that is what the motherboard will accept stock. He can alwasy over clock them as the motherboard also supports that. We went with this type of MB and Memory due to cost issues and we had a ceiling on cost.

If you do want to OC then ram will hold you back, even if you un-link your ram (because its a Nvidia chip set) it will still hold u back from your max.




Anything wrong with that reasoning? :)

Spending this much money on a rig that wont bench more then mine that I spend a total of $1000 and its water cooled hurts mane.

PcP & cooling 850SSI
Abit IP pro P35
2 gigs of crucial ballistix pc6400
8800GT (g92) EVGA
q6600

water
apogee gt
maze 4
MCP655
black Ice 120x3 rad

rocketfish lian li case

not pushing it to the max 3dmark 06 15234.

[JustMeBF2]

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[frank_rizzo]

http://macdave.com/mtau/epenis.jpg


wow way to hijack a thread.

and yes it is. ask your mom. :threadjacker:

[kilroy0097]

Fovos when you have time give us the run down on how the build went and perhaps even some pictures and opinions on how it runs now. Any complications that were had with the current setup, how you overcame these complications and stuff like that. It's a learning process for all of us.

[Fovos]

i promise i will post photos of the case as soon as i get some space and my camera back, since wife and in laws got control of it!! ahh 2 more days! lol

computer runs perfectly....i dont know how to run fps per game or things like that, but crysis run smooth, cod even better. fast loadings, no lag.

the only draw back i found till now, it happen in both games by the way, after 2-3 hours of non stop play i got gray textures everywhere in crysis, it was ok after i restart the pc and it happened also on cod4 i got a gray screen and pc froze.
someone told me it is a vista 64 problem since they don't release physical memory! what ever that means. it happen only 2 times so i dont know if i have to worry, and how i can fix.
other than that no problems so far. i had some trouble putting the parts into the case, but i will post them with the pictures so you can see what im talking about.