Black Hawks

[Pillsbury doughboy]

I pretty much hate the black hawk these days because of the ways its used. ABout 6 or 7 of the same people spawn and grab the black hawk, fly everywhere and just tear the crap out of everything. Its is soooooo annoying that it almost reaches the point of thos 3-4 guys knifing that other guys repeatedly after the medic revives him. I mean the people in the black hawk hover over a base and there is no way to avoid it and its kind of hard to take down. And its sooo fast that if it gets injured they go back to base get full health and come back and do it over again and its very annoying to the people that arent anti-tank or pilots. I know its totally legal but come on, wheres the skill. A certain individual(not naming anyone) gets in the black hawk every round hes on WiH and gets 100-130 points with no skill and i think of it just not fair because i have to actually work for my points where he takes his gatlon gun and sits in a stupid helicopter. Just thought id let you guys know what i thought of you "stat whoring" as i and a few others i know of would like to call it.


this is not to affend anyone btw

[FiLTHY_SNiPER]

Well I'm by no means a stat whore.. but I had a great time in the BlackHawk on that Dam map yesterday. It was great fun. (nice flyin dinky ;) )

I don't think it's THAT hard to take down a black hawk either... or kill the gunners/passengers as well. Hell, Shark got me a bunch of times with his rifle while i was shootin at him from the chopper.

[karl_58sow]

Any tank owns the black hawk.. plus I love getting free kills for shooting people out of it... just learn to stay out of the view of the guns. Black Hawks are relatively easy to take down and when you take em down.. its like 10 free points cuz you get anywhere from 3-5 kills everytime.

[wihadmin]

When the whores are in the blackhawk, I suicide a chopper or plane into them. I died but I also get 6 kills out of it. Yeah. It's cheap. But guess what? So is the blackhawk.

[Bonez]

i would rather have the AT missile do as much damage to it as it would realisticly.

1 AT sould kill that flying aluminum can.

[karl_58sow]

Yep, but in the description of the game... it says the weapons were balanced for fun =) It wouldn't be any fun to fly a chopper if the other guy could shoot one missile at it and take it down getting 5 kills.

[=HR=Gumby!!!]

Wouldn't be so bad if the AA was actually worth anything.

[karl_58sow]

AA kicks ass =) I sat in a AA ground gun last night and just raked in kills... everytime I shot down a black hawk it was like 6-10 pts etc. Fun stuff =) I think some of the places they put them is retarded though.

[Kossori]

The AA in this game is awful, it rarely hits and often times at the last second it decides it would rather veer off course and hit some other target...often a teamate. Thats the main reason the black hawk is too strong. The other reasons are a lack of AA in many maps, the fact that missiles seem to evade helicopters for no reason when shot at from jets, the whole base hopping thing (I think people should have to get OUT of the helicopter to cap), and the fact that all the other transport helicopters are pure crap compared to the black hawk.

[CHAOS]

However on that end i would like to argue. Sure the BH is deadly.. but is it any worse then the arty? You can kill the occupants on board with machine gun fire.. An M203 (WIHADMIN...) or whatever the thing is only Uber when you have a good team working it. A couple of engineers keeping it up a medic to heal the others.. a supply guy to resupply grenades or c4..

True it is a nasty machine but it takes a full crew to make the thing effective. if anything that is one rig where it takes optiamizes the word teamwork.

Plus comparing it to the Bullshit stat whores who can get 1000's of points in a round is BS. The BH is not invulnerable.. It can be taken down. 2 or 3 missile strikes will over power the wrenchs on board.. however the key thing is to kill the rear seats first with those strikes.. then you leave the thing open to being brought down..

Or as WIHADMIN said.. run into it with a craft.. If the BH is overing his own team he may get a butload of BS TKs as well..

The BH should be feared.. but then again a tank should be feared as well..

Hopefully the missile code gets fixed but on alot of maps out there.. there is an Armored AA.. True on some there arent.. Gul is one that comes to mind.. But alot of the others have a mobile AA that can shred a BH with its guns and missiles...

Learn to defeat the BH with a full crew and you will rule...

and as far as your poll.. i didnt vote..

it takes a fair amount of skill to maintain a decent orbit over a flag all the while trying to avoid terrain and other stuff flying at you. If you are getting raped by anything in the game and you have other spawn choices.. use the other spawn choices to come back with a weapon that will deal with the threat. Do not fall prey of respawning in the rapage zone and then get pissed at the BH cause it is doing its job by supressing that zone.

i have been on all ends of the BH.. I have piloted.. I have gunned, God knows I have repaired in flight, and God also knows I have been gunned down by it as well.. However on the other end.. I give as good as i get.. I usually play AT and 2 SMAW strikes will usually convice the pilot to move off LZ as well as take out some of the crew.

Adapt and over come.

[Pillsbury doughboy]

well i meant to mention the comparision of the BH to the tank and didnt.

TANK
slow
takes forever too turn the gun
is volnerable to c4
has 1 spot for a gunner
gun is powerful but takes a lil while to reload

BH
5-6 slots for 5-6 people
2 slots for gunners
2 slots for a medic_engineer
is in vulnerable to c4
take 2-3 rockets to kill(by the first one a smart pilot will fly of)
can turn SUPER fast
is rather east to pilot for ppl with exp.
takes a .50 gun to take out pilot

did i forget anything?

[karl_58sow]

Doughboy.. turn up your vehicle sensitivity.. it takes me a split second to turn the turret on the tank because I got my sens jacked up.

On a lighter note... I still don't know what you guys are talking about I think Black Hawks are flying targets.. easy to take down and worth alot of points. Not to mention you can shoot guys out of that thing with easy.. just aim.

[TC HEAT]

Pills its a part of the game..so what u spawn u get killed spawn with ur commander or another spot and work on taking it out..call for air support....thats what i do..i thinks its cool the way the miniguns kill me..

[Pillsbury doughboy]

well heat no offence are you mental? lol I mean we all just love being shot by miniguns cause its fun. Not really. You must not play much BF cause you would realize how (WARNING: pills word) "unfun" it is to be killed over and over. And btw which buttton is it that you call for air support with? I dont remember seeing one.

[CHAOS]

But arent you comparing apples to oranges? A Tank is deadly. It takes two or three AT rounds to take them out.. Same as Blackhawk... It takes 2 c4 to take out a tank... 1 c4 to take out a BH. (yes a BH can be C4'd by a resourceful Specops.)

BH is a troop carrier or a gunship.. However where as a tank isnt seen by almost anything that can look up and see its on the way.. Once i see a BH.. i move off to the side and get inside or down and pray.. i pray for that sweet shot from rear left or rear right that will puch my AT round up the middle of the BH and take out the pilot.. If not I will settle for the 2 or lucky 3 kills in the door placements.

True a tank can be taken out by c4 but if the Tanker has team work involved he would have a jeep or apc or even troops on his sides.. yes it is rarely seen but thats the truth.. An effective tanker is covered by a support crew. you ever been rolled up on by 2 tanks together or a tanks a an APC or a 3 apcs running together provideing support.. A good squad can turn almost anything into a lethal machine..

However in your point... the miniguns.. yes you have to be accurate with them..however it is a guarennted kill if you are. But with the rates of fire..
i feel that the MEC / CHINA sides should also have something that formidable.. and there are russian helos with door mounted minis... US doesnt hold the title on that..

however thats what mods are for. the true skill in the BH is the pilots.. everything else is support and spray and pray..

helos are easy to fly to a point but learning how not to overreact in them is crucial.. I still screw up and overreact and end up in the trees casue i put to much stick into it. In POE i could orbit a BH for a long time over a position caus ei had a side view.. I could look left out of the cockpit and look at the flag and hold a steady orbit..

all in all Tanks are deadly..and armor doesnt need to fear the Minis of the BH.. unless the minis can stay on them for a LONG LONG time..of course this should not be the case.. minis should not do any damage to armor.. just like the grenades should not damage armor but they do..

oh well i drift off topic..

[Pillsbury doughboy]

well after reading you first paragragh i have this to say:
dude its a lot easier to through to c4 explosives on a tank than it is to shoot a heli down

c4placment:

guy runs up, c4 in hand, presses left trigger twice, spints away. Hits right mouse button once then left once. BOOOOOOOOM!!!!!! bye bye tank

taking a with rocket laucher of an anti-tank guys:

Heli is spotted, guys pulls out RL(rocket Launcher btw), aim and fires rocket #1 and hopes to god he hits. Say the first hits. Then he reloads and hopes the second one hits or he gets to fire before the heli flis off.

A c4 on a BH?? what iidiot pilot would fly low enough to let someone do that?

[wihadmin]

Summary from Chaos.

"I'm a BH whore too!"

:flipoff:

:D

[Pillsbury doughboy]

lol :yaya:

[karl_58sow]

I agree with Chaos's statement that the BH is stronger than MEC and CHINA's troop transports. This isn't to say that MEC often recieves ground advantage in alot of maps so I think this is balanced by USMC recieving air advantage. I still disagree the BH is overpowered I have never had a problem taking one down... and I don't like flying in helicopters either =)

[CHAOS]

Summary from Chaos.

"I'm a BH whore too!"

:flipoff:

:D

what.... i didnt make that clear???? :yaya:

times I really like to see a BH is either whn i am in them or they are in front of my tunguska...

Sure go ahead and pop flares... My first missile will miss but then the other 5 will lock on and as they are locking on the barrels of death are raining exploding shell into the BH...

Naw its not that bad..

I didnt say that the pilot was smart... I have seen enuff of them land on the flag with thier ass near crates and a spec ops drops c4 on them...

I have also seen when they are hovering a Specops jump and "throw" some on the low hovering belly..

best on yet is snakes old trick in POE... Cept now they need to get on a vehicle to get highenuff... But they place a c4 bag at the top or near the top of flag pole.. helo comes in hovers over or near the flag and ...well do i need to say it?

[dbodenheim]

Pills wrote:


TANK
slow
takes forever too turn the gun
is volnerable to c4
has 1 spot for a gunner
gun is powerful but takes a lil while to reload

BH
5-6 slots for 5-6 people
2 slots for gunners
2 slots for a medic_engineer
is in vulnerable to c4
take 2-3 rockets to kill(by the first one a smart pilot will fly of)
can turn SUPER fast
is rather east to pilot for ppl with exp.
takes a .50 gun to take out pilot



Dinky will be the first to tell you that if I catch his blackhawk anywhere on my screen when Im in a tank ( which is often) his entire squad is usually eating dirt. They'll often be scoring higher, but there not unstoppable.

[wihadmin]

The problem with the Chinese Z-8 is the old machine gun. They are basically useless compare to the mini-guns of the BH. However, the MEC MI-17 Hip should be comparable to the BH since it does have 2 mini-guns onboard.

[karl_58sow]

Pills wrote:


TANK
slow
takes forever too turn the gun
is volnerable to c4
has 1 spot for a gunner
gun is powerful but takes a lil while to reload

BH
5-6 slots for 5-6 people
2 slots for gunners
2 slots for a medic_engineer
is in vulnerable to c4
take 2-3 rockets to kill(by the first one a smart pilot will fly of)
can turn SUPER fast
is rather east to pilot for ppl with exp.
takes a .50 gun to take out pilot



Dinky will be the first to tell you that if I catch his blackhawk anywhere on my screen when Im in a tank ( which is often) his entire squad is usually eating dirt. They'll often be scoring higher, but there not unstoppable.

Thank you, Jeff. My point exactly. TANK > CHOPPER

[DinkyPoopStick]

A certain individual(not naming anyone) gets in the black hawk every round hes on WiH and gets 100-130 points with no skill and i think of it just not fair because i have to actually work for my points where he takes his gatlon gun and sits in a stupid helicopter.
this is not to affend anyone btw

Come on....... say the name.....
We all know it is me because I am the only 1 that gets score like that.. Only the 64 person map with hundreds of different play every day I'm the ONLY ONE that gets scores like that. Don't you think that it might not be that frigging easy? No offense to others that I have flown with but I haven't seen 1 other person that can fly the Black Hawk like me. Perhaps just Perhaps those scores and the black hawk domination comes from the countless hours I spent in DC, BFV, and POE practicing on empty servers. Ask people here and people on ninjaserve, I was always on when there were little to no people just practicing. When BF2came out and people were on ranked servers I was on WiH practicing. Perhaps instead of starting a pole if Black Hawk is raping, make a poll asking if I am too good at blackhawk. This is really itching my goat because most people will tell you when I get a "damn you a good pilot" in TS or squad talk I say "I get lucky sometimes" I'm not a braggard, but when you give me 0 credit for dominating something I worked soo hard to be good at I got a little upset.
It is NOT easy to do what I do and the proof is in the fact that no one else can do it like me. I am not undefetable in a blackhawk, As a matter of fact I will not fly it unless i have a minimum of 4 people in my squad because it is totally useless with out a good squad. And that brings up another point, I am always the squad leader as a BH pilot, not just because people can spawn on me then, but because I actually lead a squad in there, join in 1 time and you will hear me barking orders to people non stop. You will hear me tell people what to do and when. I get those scores because I earned them through practice, leadership, and even more practice.
You're arguments about tanks means nothing to me because of the way i play and lead my squads. I always play flor flags, if you have ever been in 1 of my squads you would of heard me say at least 5 times a round. "If they don't see us, don't shoot." Same thing applys to my flying, If the armor doesn't see us, I sneak past them, If they do see us i bug out. thats not cheap, thats smart and this pholosophy is the same 1 that gets me 130+ points.
In summary, I would like some crdedit where credit is due I am not just an ok Pilot, I do Lead a squad, and understand what is happening before you try to rag me out about what I do to be the best.

[GroovyDude]

I think the problem here is that the same people are consistently taking the Blackhawk and not giving others the opportunity. Our sponsor graphic has the words "honor" and "integrity" on it, yet we have regulars tk'ing others to take the chopper. This needs to stop.

Want to fly a chopper, fine. But when you respawn, if there are others waiting at the pad, give them a chance.

BTW, I agree flying the chopper takes skill, but getting kills with the mini-guns is to easy IMO.

[SSP_Timber62]

Just plant c-4 around any flag that a chopper is going to hover above. The blast radius will take them out easy. I do it every map there ar choppers hovering over flags. Got a full blackhawk yesterday and I started getting called those dreaded words "noob", "hacker", "camper" and the much over used "WTF, C-4?" lol it is so funny to watch.

[DinkyPoopStick]

I think the problem here is that the same people are consistently taking the Blackhawk and not giving others the opportunity. Our sponsor graphic has the words "honor" and "integrity" on it, yet we have regulars tk'ing others to take the chopper. This needs to stop.

Want to fly a chopper, fine. But when you respawn, if there are others waiting at the pad, give them a chance.

BTW, I agree flying the chopper takes skill, but getting kills with the mini-guns is to easy IMO.

The tk-ing has stopped

[meltdown]

Yes, the BH is quite easy to score with, EA made a HUGE mistake by not looking at the chopper whores in BF:V and realising how screwed up the crap was. They should have made it so only infantry and armor can take flags, and left repelling in. Unfortunatly they wanted this kind of play-style and it gives me the same sour taste in my stomach as the choppers in BF:V did. That being said, yes I will still use it to gain an upper hand in the matches. I play to win the maps and if you have a team that actually knows how to defend flags the BH squads can make a difference by forciing the enemy to divide their forces and allow your team flanking maneuvers. Unfortunatly with the great number of pubbers it makes it difficult.

[monos]

i would rather have the AT missile do as much damage to it as it would realisticly.

1 AT sould kill that flying aluminum can.

Clearly bonez has never actually shot an anti tank missile. having specialized as an 0351 anti-tank assaultman for 4 years in the marine corps there is one primary rule you follow. you shoot tanks/armor. not other ground troops and never, ever would you waste it on a helo. the damage that an anti tank missile does is concentrated (the design is a Shaped Charge the explosive is conical in shape) into a very sharp focus resulting in a flaming jet of molten metal and destructive force a helo with open doors is not an eviroment that would allow the shaped charge to acheive it's damage capabilty. the odds of you taking out a helo with an antitank projectile are so ridiculous that no one would ever do it in real life so lets not talk about realistic when it comes to a game such as BF2, or any other game for that matter. the disappointing thing is the lack of real anti air weapons in this game, not that an anti armor weapon does not take out a helo.

[monos]

the easiest way to stop those of us in the BH is to actually defend your flags if we see a tank or an apc at a flag we move the hell on! sit in the stationary AA. They are crap you say? try putting the sites on them and waiting for them to drop flares b4 you fire ask dinky how effective that strategy was when i shot him down! he then adjusted as all good players do and approached me from a better angle and killed me, anyway my point is this complaining and saying the BH takes no still is not fair to the pilot who is flying because i agree with groovy when he says getting kills with the mini gun is too easy....... yeah when dinky is flying, try getting kills when you have someone trying to jink and spin all over the place.

[DinkyPoopStick]

I started this on the no tk-ing post and am moving the thought here

[/quote]"TK-ing for BH has stoped, all of the people involved with it (to my knowledge) felt guilty about it before anything was posted on the forums about it.
That being said I do not fly the black hawk to "whore points" as anyone that knows me well enough, and I have played BF with MANY people here for a LONG time. I like to fly helos. Please read my reply to the BH vote. I like to fly and I practiced ALOT to get good. I like to fly the attack choppers and if you never played against me when im in that, I'm good at that too. The black hawk is ................ you know what im leaving this and taking this back to the BH vote post where it belongs."[quote]

The black hawk is not a flying insta death tank. It is soft and heavely armed, just like the Tanguska(spelling). If some numbnut takes the tanguska and tries to fight an LAV or T-90 with it he is going to say it sucks. If a smart person shoots a BH or a cobra with it he is going to tear them up. It is because I am good at what I do, and I adjust quickly, like monos was just saying." That is what makes the BH great, a good pilot and a good squad. If i wanted i could take that damn MEC guppy of a helo and do the same damn thing, granted the gun on it have 0 spalsh which is what makes the BH guns better, but i can cap flags just as fast.

I will say again, if it were such a undefeatable great weapon, I wouldn't be the only one to do it.

[wihadmin]

lets not talk about realistic when it comes to a game such as BF2, or any other game for that matter.

OMG! You got Pwned Bonez! :)

[=HR=Gumby!!!]

We all know it is me because I am the only 1 that gets score like that..

If i wanted i could take that damn MEC guppy of a helo and do the same damn thing, granted the gun on it have 0 spalsh which is what makes the BH guns better, but i can cap flags just as fast.

I will say again, if it were such a undefeatable great weapon, I wouldn't be the only one to do it.

I'll preface this by saying, Dinky I really love playing with you and that you and everyone else knows that the only things I've said about the B-Hawk is that I wish the AA was worth a crap. So I don't want the hear anybody saying I'm whiny or bitching about the B-Hawk.

First off: You are not the only one to get scores like this. Period. As far as I know it was Chaos and I that first discovered the B-Hawks power back in the demo, as Crotch and the rest of the HR that were on the oposing side will remember. :D We finished with 100+ points plenty of times.

Second: And this is said with absolutely zero sarcasm, I'd really like to see you try to get the same score using the MEC or Chinese chopper. Shure you can cap flags with it as easily as the B-Hawk, but in my experience with the B-Hawk a good 50-80% of your score comes from kills with the mini guns as everyone in the B-Hawk gets points for the kill. Thus instead of 1 point being given for a person getting killed, 5-6 points goes to the team using the B-Hawk for only 1 kill.

Third: You are not the only one doing this. I play alot during the day when alot of you guys arn't on. I see squads dedicated to using the B-Hawk continuously. The other day I was playing Mashtuur City, and the whole fight was centered around the SE flag, which spawns the B-Hawk. I was on the MEC, and our main base was taken and our arty and other stuff was blown. However no one was trying to take it back, because our team was busy defending the SE flag so the US couldn't get it back. This is a direct quote of a reply I got when I asked for help to retake our main: "Dude the arty and UAVisn't what wins this map. It's the B-Hawk." And guess what? He was right. We destroyed the US team without ever getting main back or repaieing our arty until the very end. Now this seems to me as an indicator that somehting is amiss when your team abandons their main base/commander's assets in favor of denying the other team the B-Hawk....and it's the right decision.

[DinkyPoopStick]

Ug I just reread what I just wrote (what you are about to read) and I do not like to be a braggard but I must defend myself.

I know that I have not seen any one else do it as effectively as me. I have seen other people have squads, I have been on the other team for it sometimes and yesturday I was gunning for a little while. But I have never seen anyone else do it nearly as effectively as me, most times they may cap a flag or 2, they may kill a couple people but no where near what I have done. No offense to CHAOS but I rode with him this weekend and we weren't as succesful as when I was piloting.

Of course I am NOT the greatest pilot ever, but I have yet to see anyone else post numbers like I have. 2 times this week I had over 120+ points with 0 deaths, I credit that to good flying, but more importantly, good decsion making. Deciding when to hang in underfire for that last 2 secs to cap a flag, or bugging out with a white flag because you see a T-90 turning towards you is more important then being able to turn the joy stick fast. I think if there are people out there that can do that they should be allowed to do it without people trying to drag them down with aligations that thier weapon of choice (helo) is over powered.

Gumby I KNOW I am not the only 1 to fly a BH and there probably many people out there better then me, BUT I feel that a I am better then the average bear at flying a helo, and that it is not as easy as some think it is. Another thought, Thursday I fly a z-10 with a gunner named rangerbob. we ended the game 1st(him) and 2nd(me) with 98 and 95 points. this happened because I was able to put him in good positions for easy shots and he was a good gunner. This is no different then me with a good squad in a BH. I put them in good positions to make easy kills. If they are good gunners they do great, if they are bad gunners they do ok because i give them easy shots. I don't just fly a BH around in circles, I move and turn to give my gunners the best shot possible. This is what seerates me from people that can simple hovver over a flag.

You know, I wish I could share a recording with you guys of what normally happens with squad talk. Normally I hear Monos, or Jeff, or some guy I never met before yelling directions directions "turn left" "there is a helo behind us go up" "there is a tank to the right, go back" I hear all of these people giving me directions at 1 time and I have to process all that, add it to what I see, hear, and know, and then I have to make split second desicions that will kill 6 people or save all our lives, If we die too much I get Dinky, you suck stop flying. If i manage to handle all of that and somehow manage to excel, instead of a post on Monday about "I had soo much fun this weekend" I get the helo that you spent literaly years practicing is way too oover powered, you're not that good, it's just the helo.
:wallbash:
What do i do, stop playing helos which I love? There is the next poll, should Dinky never fly again??
You know I don't think I'm some almighty BF2 power, for instance, those damn planes I can't do nothing with them. 1/2 of my deaths are me falling out of the air because I can react fast enough so i have to slow down and then i drop like a rock our of the air like a frigging retard.

BTW look at the forums from demo days and I kinda thought up the idea to do BH squads.

[SnaKe]

Being a good pilot is cool but the point I'm trying to get across is to share the resources among the whole server or we'll start losing potential new WiH members. I doubt that the server will stop filling up but I want WiH to have a "friendly" teamplay reputation. Not a "Clan of Friends" a$$hats rep. What a an ironic name, they weren't even f'ing friendly!!
I don't expect us to meet in the middle of a map and sing cum-bi-u (sp?) over a roaring tank fire but an atmosphere where ppl feel the game play is fun and fair with opportunties for all.

[Bonez]

Clearly bonez has never actually shot an anti tank missile. having specialized as an 0351 anti-tank assaultman for 4 years in the marine corps there is one primary rule you follow. you shoot tanks/armor. not other ground troops and never, ever would you waste it on a helo. the damage that an anti tank missile does is concentrated (the design is a Shaped Charge the explosive is conical in shape) into a very sharp focus resulting in a flaming jet of molten metal and destructive force a helo with open doors is not an eviroment that would allow the shaped charge to acheive it's damage capabilty.even still it would do enough damage to compromise the airframe and control systems(as well as kill crew and passengers).

hell all a stinger is, is a glorified RPG.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/eryx/
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/eryx.htm
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-aameryx.htm

and you can't tell me that the rocket would not screw a blackhawk up with a single round.

[DinkyPoopStick]

I do not only group with WiH people for BH. I leave my BH squad unlocked, when people join it, I till them "I'm in the BH if you want to be in this squad fine, but please spawn on me prefable witha wrench" If I have blue poeple in the Helo, thats fine with me too, I have only ever said "I want the gunners to be in my squad so i can tell them where to shoot." I believe people here can attest to what I am saying. I have had blue people in the gunner positions and if my squad isn't full, I have stopped the BH and gone into my squad manager and invited them myself. Now if my squad is full and someone from TS says they wanna join, I will always say to the newest person in my sqaud "I'm sorry Bob but someone from WiH TS wants in the group, I'm going to have to ask you to leave" and if it is true I also add "it was fun playing with you and you are always welcome back in my squad."

[DinkyPoopStick]

I must say Snake, I'm a little surprised that you would think of a as of of the "l337" Jackholes that I hate soo much.

[wihadmin]

I must say Snake, I'm a little surprised that you would think of a as of of the "l337" Jackholes that I hate soo much.

I think you missed Snake's point, being that we (read WiH regulars) need to share the resources in the game. I didn't read Snake's message as saying you're a l337 Jackhole. I think you're taking this BH and TK discussion to heart Dinky. We are talking to the community as a whole here. Step back a few steps bud. :)

[DinkyPoopStick]

Ok then, should I just say, "the BH is not a flying tank with arty guns" and that everyone that is crying about it just not good enough to shoot me down? Suck it and figure out how to shoot it down.

When groovey and knott flew over me last night with thier BH, they got me once. Then I knew they were there, I took my ERYX and every time I saw them I would stick it up there arse, That will send any BH group packing and give me plenty of time to move on.

Don't be dumb people, don't shoot at a BH with small arms, all that does is tell them where you are.

[DinkyPoopStick]

Here is another idea for those crying about the BH.... Hide inside, after they leave recap the flag. you don't have to go anywhere and you get 3 points

[SnaKe]

I must say Snake, I'm a little surprised that you would think of a as of of the "l337" Jackholes that I hate soo much.

I think you missed Snake's point, being that we (read WiH regulars) need to share the resources in the game. I didn't read Snake's message as saying you're a l337 Jackhole. I think you're taking this BH and TK discussion to heart Dinky. We are talking to the community as a whole here. Step back a few steps bud. :)That's right. I applaud your skill in the BH Dinky. I even heard you ask a guy to leave the squad so a WiH person could get on and you did it perfectly. I was impressed. So this isn't anything against your pilot or ppl skills. Just a chance to spread some philosphy about what we would like to see for this community. Hell, I'll be the first one (well second since you should be the pilot)in the BH with you if I get the chance.
The BH has turned out to be the epitome of team play which is one of our prime values at WiH. I can understand why everyone wants it. There is nothing better then pwning as a team. But we can't hog all of the fun! :hehehe:

[SnaKe]

...figure out how to shoot it down.I totaly agree!! That's part of the fun is figuring out how to defeat a force like this. FIGURE IT OUT PPL!

I say keep flying, I'll fly with you, just give other ppl a chance. And when I'm not on your team I'll be testing new ways to thwart the BH. I'm actually looking forward to it! :thumbsup:

[DinkyPoopStick]

TY snake

[GroovyDude]

When groovey and knott flew over me last night with thier BH, they got me once.

And then you woke up :jester:. Wasn't me dude, I didn't play last night.

[DinkyPoopStick]

And then you woke up :jester:. Wasn't me dude, I didn't play last night.

Dooh!!! :wallbash: dind't mean groovy, meant Crotch sry

[monos]

Clearly bonez has never actually shot an anti tank missile. having specialized as an 0351 anti-tank assaultman for 4 years in the marine corps there is one primary rule you follow. you shoot tanks/armor. not other ground troops and never, ever would you waste it on a helo. the damage that an anti tank missile does is concentrated (the design is a Shaped Charge the explosive is conical in shape) into a very sharp focus resulting in a flaming jet of molten metal and destructive force a helo with open doors is not an eviroment that would allow the shaped charge to acheive it's damage capabilty.even still it would do enough damage to compromise the airframe and control systems(as well as kill crew and passengers).

hell all a stinger is, is a glorified RPG.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/eryx/
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/eryx.htm
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-aameryx.htm

and you can't tell me that the rocket would not screw a blackhawk up with a single round.

unless you hit flight control systems which it will not do unless you hit the tail or hit it at an angle that allows you to strike the main shaft you might damage it but you would not take it down and a stinger is not a glorified rpg a stinger is a heat seeking missle that is going to hit engine or tail rotor with an explosion not a shaped charge like an anti armor round

from one of your sites
Eryx can defeat all modern static or moving tanks. With its tandem high explosive warhead, it is effective against bunkers, earth works, and armour targets even when equipped with explosive reactive armour (ERA).

[DinkyPoopStick]

and sure i might not have all the papers that say i'm this and that, but i do have intrests and one of them happens to be aircraft.

and aparently anti tank missles
ground to air projectiles
and aerospace science
and aeronautical physics
and blah blah blah
Boner you live at home with your mommy and you are arguing with a guy that fired F-ing rockets for a living about how to best take down a F-ing helo you have never seen in real life with a F-ing missle you have never fired.
If we wanted your Exert opinion on something you have the credetials for we would ask you how does it feel to get your ass kicked in at high school for being a braggard know it all.

[GroovyDude]

I think enough has been said on the BH subject.