The TK'ing must stop!

[wihadmin]

We are noticing a disturbing trend in our Ranked Server. In the frenzy to get high scores and to gain ranks, some of our regulars are resorting to TK'ing their own team-mates for equipment.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!

We will kick and permaban anyone, regular here or not, that is caught doing this. Whether you are a part of clan here or if you have donated or not does not grant you the right to TK on purpose. This is not how we run our servers.

This is your only warning on this topic.

[karl_58sow]

Yea, I don't even mess with the choppers anymore because theres almost ALWAYS someone waiting for it and they will take it time after time after time regardless of whether or not you wait or ask nicely.

[SSP_Timber62]

Welcome to the World of Battlefield.

Remeber how it was in BF1942? All the camping for planes and choppers? Tk'ing for them and what not?

Now jsut add stats to the mix. VOLA! BF2.

Isn't it great :upyours:

[wihadmin]

We expected the pubbers to do this. But for our WiH regulars to do this is absolutely disappointing for us. It's a big slap in the face to us.

[dbodenheim]

I've never purposelly TK'd anyone til an hour ago. I purposefully TK'd carl2005 someone. Then I logged on here and read this post. The reason I came here was to apologize to him, there really was no excuse. I have my own excuses in my head but none of them justify that one action. Sorry Carl.

This has nothing to do with the whole Blackhawk Squad TK'ing thing, I just read that thread, this was something else entirely. Im never in a Blackhawk. :(

[meltdown]

I'll admit I TKed one specific person a few times while in the BH squad but it had nothing to do with points. Had to do with this one individual taking the BH up solo and using the server as his personal "practice" flying ground. When we finally got the BH and the "cycle" going he then attempted to C4 the entire squad, trying to C4 the BH after it was loaded, park a tank at the spawn and kill 2 or 3 people who were there waiting for it, and various other "annoying" things. EA made a huge mistake I think by not allowing the pilot/driver to lock the vehicle to squad.

I suppose the next question is who exactly are we catering to. Every tom, dick and harry, or the more serious gamers? Are we concerned more for those who are wanting to do heavy on teamwork and work as squads, or people who want to try to use the server as their point playground, and to teach themselves how to fly (I actually heard some regs on the other side bitching out some of their own guys because they were just taking up the vehicles and slamming them into the enemy aircraft and armor rather than actually using them). I mean I honestly don't expect us to do like we did on the DC server and start kicking people if 99% of the players decides to play sniper on Weapon's Bunker. But what are we looking for out of the game itself? Highly competitive team-based play, or just regular do whatever play?

And I'm not saying we shouldn't be inclusive of all, but rather perhaps some rules on what can be used by whom depending on the situation (I.E. fill up the vehicle if you are using it, other than like tanks or mobile AA, stuff like that), that way those who want to play competitivly can play as a squad and have access to the tools necessary to do so, and those who want to solo things can take up the fighters, drive tanks/AA, or go on foot. I think alot of the issues we're running into is due to a lack of expectations of all players. Anyways, just my 2 cents.

[SnaKe]

We are on our ranked server to have fun first and get points second. There is nothing wrong with teamwork to obtain both of those goals. But we need to make sure others have the same experience. Whoring anything, including the BH, is not going to be fun for the rest of the community of players.

Have fun, get ranked, but give other ppl a chance too! :thumbsup:

[DinkyPoopStick]

TK-ing for BH has stoped, all of the people involved with it (to my knowledge) felt guilty about it before anything was posted on the forums about it.
That being said I do not fly the black hawk to "whore points" as anyone that knows me well enough, and I have played BF with MANY people here for a LONG time. I like to fly helos. Please read my reply to the BH vote. I like to fly and I practiced ALOT to get good. I like to fly the attack choppers and if you never played against me when im in that, I'm good at that too. The black hawk is ................ you know what im leaving this and taking this back to the BH vote post where it belongs.

[Father Goose]

The people who do this are going to give me a stroke someday, or a heart attack or something. I get so mad that veins pop out of my head. Well, maybe not. But it's close.

I have always thought that being an actual PILOT should be a class. The pilot would just get a pistol to avoid the "camp for plane, fly where I want, bail out" syndrome. Nobody TKs me for a tank or a jeep.

[monos]

We are on our ranked server to have fun first and get points second. There is nothing wrong with teamwork to obtain both of those goals. But we need to make sure others have the same experience. Whoring anything, including the BH, is not going to be fun for the rest of the community of players.

Have fun, get ranked, but give other ppl a chance too! :thumbsup:

What are we to do when we are in a squad specifically outfitted to do Blackhawk runs, and someone walks up while we are waiting on a helo to spawn and happens to jump in before one of our squad members? we cannot get them out but they take a position that we are waiting for? we say get out and they just sit there like ha ha i stole your spot. they see we are all green and in a squad. please tell us what we should do? just say sorry the to squad member that is the odd man out and fly away with some random idiot that might just jump out anyway?

[wihadmin]

We do not condone TK'ing on purpose no matter what the circumstances are. We can do a lot of things in the name of gameplay. We promote gameplay/teamplay by setting good examples. But we will not promote gameplay/teamplay by allowing discretionary TK'ing in its name.

For example, is the player who is taking the BH up by himself breaking the rules? No. Even if he was breaking the rules, it is our job as admins to deal with him. He might in a squad that is calling for transport. He might be using it as Medivac. And the guy who's crashing the airplanes and choppers into enemy vehicles. He might be doing it b/c he had to do it to take down an important enemy asset.

War is Hell has always been catering to the advanced players and the new players. That is one of our core philosophies ever since we established the CSS servers. We have never kicked out a newbie or turn away a new player bc they are "nubs/newb/n00bz". It is your job as a veteran to teach the newbies the proper way to play.

The bottom line is that you can not be the accuser, judge, and executioner on our server.

[wihadmin]

TK-ing for BH has stoped, all of the people involved with it (to my knowledge) felt guilty about it before anything was posted on the forums about it.

Dinky - this post was not about you specifically. There are others that did this as well. We felt that this is a good time to raise this topic to let everyone know how we feel about it. And I'm glad we all are talking about this.

:thumbsup:

[DinkyPoopStick]

TK-ing for BH has stoped, all of the people involved with it (to my knowledge) felt guilty about it before anything was posted on the forums about it.

Dinky - this post was not about you specifically. There are others that did this as well. We felt that this is a good time to raise this topic to let everyone know how we feel about it. And I'm glad we all are talking about this.

:thumbsup:
ok, i know i saw it happen by a couple people (myself 1 time) and everyone i know of has since said "we shouldn't do that any more" (to my knowledge)

[wihadmin]

they see we are all green and in a squad. please tell us what we should do?

They do not see you as all green unless they are in your squad. I see everyone as blue when I'm not in a squad. But that's not the point. You are on a public server. things like this is going to happen. Suck it up and move on. Don't tell me that a squad of: 1 support, 2 medics, 2 engineers, 1 assault can't doing anything else other than be in a BH.

[monos]

they see we are all green and in a squad. please tell us what we should do?

They do not see you as all green unless they are in your squad. I see everyone as blue when I'm not in a squad. But that's not the point. You are on a public server. things like this is going to happen. Suck it up and move on. Don't tell me that a squad of: 1 support, 2 medics, 2 engineers, 1 assault can't doing anything else other than be in a BH.

ok, yes brain fart there. but the point is how do you control the use of copters and tanks? if we are waiting for it and someone walks up and jumps in and then does not respond when we ask him to get out? that is not somethng we can really kick people for but what do we do?

[SnaKe]

We are on our ranked server to have fun first and get points second. There is nothing wrong with teamwork to obtain both of those goals. But we need to make sure others have the same experience. Whoring anything, including the BH, is not going to be fun for the rest of the community of players.

Have fun, get ranked, but give other ppl a chance too! :thumbsup:

What are we to do when we are in a squad specifically outfitted to do Blackhawk runs, and someone walks up while we are waiting on a helo to spawn and happens to jump in before one of our squad members? we cannot get them out but they take a position that we are waiting for? we say get out and they just sit there like ha ha i stole your spot. they see we are all green and in a squad. please tell us what we should do? just say sorry the to squad member that is the odd man out and fly away with some random idiot that might just jump out anyway?The guy might be an a$$hat but you can't tk him. Just try to get it next time. There is no foolproof answer to your question of what to do in this scenario.
One thing I know is the regular players set the tone for a server. Just look at Clan of Friends back in the POE days. They wouldn't let you ride in a helo unless you had TS with them. Well that makes since but after the 2nd or 3rd time of being kicked or ridculed for not following their rules I stopped going there. The same thing will happen to us eventually if we don't make it appealing to new (to WiH) players and newbies.
We need to lead by example and the others will see that what we are doing is good and they will follow. If we stick to our rules and sense of fair play it will be emulated by others on the server and we will be known for it.

[wihadmin]

That is not your chopper. It doesn't have your squad's name on it. General online gaming ettiquette (sp?) dictates that it is "your" chopper, but we will not enforce gaming ettiquettes.

What do you do? Get a different vehicle and go cap some flags on the ground. Limitting yourselves to only the BH is a good way for your team to lose as 1 full squad is standing around twiddling their thumbs waiting for their BH to be stolen again. You all claim that you use the BH to do the team good, to cap flags, and to win battles. Can you not do that on the ground when the BH is not available?

[monos]

never at anytime did i or will i advocate Tk'g as a means to clear a spot that a squad member is waiting for. in fact i was pretty sure that crotch would look at the logs and see the tk'g and be pissed, and i do not blame him or snake for being upset. maybe we should add a line about please do not take vehicle slots that others are waiting for in the server message?

[dbodenheim]

The bottom line is that you can not be the accuser, judge, and executioner on our server

And Snake posted something about setting an example as a regular.


This is why I posted my confession in this thread earlier. This morning I TK'd someone intentionanlly and apologized to him ingame and on this post. For weeks now, Ive hopped out of my tank after a battle to repair it, and numerous asshats have hopped in and rode off with it while I was repairing it. You can only imagine how frustrating that is night after night. Today I was running for a tank ( after my ride had been jacked numerous times) sprinting and out of breath, and Carl2005 something or other rode past me in a buggy to beat me to the spawn. In my mind, HE SAW ME HEADING FOR THE TANK, and decided to take it anyway. I shotgunned him in the back out of weeks of frustration. It wasnt Carl's fault. It was my own rage.

After I did that, I could literally here the Emporer laughing, " Good! Excellent! Strike your father down and take his place at my side."

Sorry. Im a Jedi. Like my father. Which is why I posted my apology here publicly. Sure I teamkill from mines and stuff, but that was my one and last intentional. Be wary regulars. You'll really feel like shit if you do it.


Dave

[Father Goose]

I'm so full of dumb ideas about this, but I also wish that in order to get the chopper you had to get in a queue and do something useful like man the anti-aircraft weapons or something. It doesn't do any good to have 3 people camping for the helo if the opfor keeps blowing up our freaking helo with their jet!

Of course, then people would just TK for the slots on the AA guns.

[zigen]

I am glad to see that this issue has been addressed. A couple of days ago a person in this thread tk'd me multiple times to take my seat in the BH. Like it was stated earlier in the thread the vehicles/weapons in game belong to everybody to use. Regardless wether or not you are in a squad that you specifically made up for BH's makes no difference at all. :crazy: I was patiently waiting for a BH to respawn and was the only person doing so. I got in and was tk'd by the same person time after time until I gave up and left the server disgusted. In any case I am glad that this has been taken care of and I am now a happy member here. :thumbsup:

[Wraith]

I have been on the receiving end of ALOT of points as a result of just sitting in a BH and wrenching while my squadmates are killing everyone in sight. I agree that it's a great way to earn points, but I agree with Crotch. If we aren't capable of doing anything but tooling around in choppers, that's not really saying much for us as players. Our squads, clans, and teammates will all benefit from strategic diversity. This game is going to be around for a LONG time ...... I, for one, don't want to be stuck only knowing how to fight one way. I don't care how many deaths I get while trying something new. I use this as a stress relief from a long day at work. I don't think ANY of us need to be stat whores. I enjoy working my way through the ranks as much as the next guy, but how are any of us supposed to have fun when so many people are focusing only on points and getting to play their way? Ok ...... I feel better now. :rant:

[dbodenheim]

I agree with wraith on that last post. I got tired of having tanks jacked, waiting on tanks, etc. I took that time to learn the basic assault class. I learned the gernade launcher is a nasty nasty weapon. Practice makes perfect and Ived earned a few gold and silver medals being infantry on tank maps even. There is more then one to score great points.


JEFF TIP---fire that assualt class weapon SINGLE shot, unless your capping a flag in close quarters. I would say the accuracy is 5 times as good and you'll rack up alot more kills.

[karl_58sow]

I love assault. Its absolutely the only class I've played since the beginning. Just unlocked the G3 but I can't figure out how to use it... Oh yea on the topic of the BH.. I was on map with 2 black hawk squads.. both decked out with support , medic , and engineer... and both full. Problem was, we were both fighting over the same BH.. so basically everytime it spawned it was half our squad and half theres... wasn't really a big deal to me but I guess if you can kind of agree to share the thing it really helps. We didn't get in any fights over it and I'm sure they were kind of a little mad... like "GIMME THE BLACKHAWK MINE MINE MINE" but that didn't stop me from taking a seat and joining in on the action =)

[DinkyPoopStick]

I punish for intentional TKs and people that don't check thier fire

Funny coming from someone that tk's to get position on a chopper, to pad stats. :jerkit:

Dude I don't know who you think you are, or what you think you know, but you obviously don't know what you are taking about.. I have NEVER TK'ed to get in a BH, I 1 time TK'd a blue guy to get him out of a gun position so a squad member could get in it after I asked him MANY times to get out. And then I admitted it and apologized on the forums.

You need to learn a think or 2 before you start slinging mud like that. I don't have to TK to get in to a BH, hell I have had BH's delivered to me on the other side of the map so I can fly it. I would NEVER make accusations like that about you so I would expect the same courtesy from you.

I manned up for my inappropriate actions. This is your chance to man up and apologize for your grossly inaccurate accusations about me?

[zigen]

I punish for intentional TKs and people that don't check thier fire

Funny coming from someone that tk's to get position on a chopper, to pad stats. :jerkit:

Dude I don't know who you think you are, or what you think you know, but you obviously don't know what you are taking about.. I have NEVER TK'ed to get in a BH, I 1 time TK'd a blue guy to get him out of a gun position so a squad member could get in it after I asked him MANY times to get out. And then I admitted it and apologized on the forums.

You need to learn a think or 2 before you start slinging mud like that. I don't have to TK to get in to a BH, hell I have had BH's delivered to me on the other side of the map so I can fly it. I would NEVER make accusations like that about you so I would expect the same courtesy from you.

I manned up for my inappropriate actions. This is your chance to man up and apologize for your grossly inaccurate accusations about me?

I having nothing at all to apologize for because it WAS you that tk'd me and I am certain of it. You don't forget a name like yours. It doesn't matter if you asked me to get out or not it is not your place to decide who rides in the bh's. But lets just forget about that and since we are part of the same community now it's done. :beer:

[DinkyPoopStick]

Well if that was you, then you should know that I did not do it to get in, which is what you accused me of. I did appologies for it and I manned up about it. Why don't you? I don't just drop it because you are now posting here, I will drop it when you admit that you falsly accused me of something that I had already appologised for. And if you are 1 to drop something because "we are part of the same community now" then why did you make that post to begin with??

1) I tk-ed so the gunner would be a sqaud member
2) I admitted it and appologized
3) you insult me and claim i did something i did not do
4) I ask for an appology
5) you refuse to appologize and say we should forget the TK

I had forgotten the TK a LONG time ago, you need to step up and be a man about it.

I have been part of this community for a LONG time, very few people would insult me the way you did and refuse to appologize.

[zigen]

Well if that was you, then you should know that I did not do it to get in, which is what you accused me of. I did appologies for it and I manned up about it. Why don't you? I don't just drop it because you are now posting here, I will drop it when you admit that you falsly accused me of something that I had already appologised for. And if you are 1 to drop something because "we are part of the same community now" then why did you make that post to begin with??

1) I tk-ed so the gunner would be a sqaud member
2) I admitted it and appologized
3) you insult me and claim i did something i did not do
4) I ask for an appology
5) you refuse to appologize and say we should forget the TK

I had forgotten the TK a LONG time ago, you need to step up and be a man about it.

I have been part of this community for a LONG time, very few people would insult me the way you did and refuse to appologize.

Wether you did it for yourself or a squad mate makes no damn difference. Who did you apologize to? It certainly wasn't me. Your not the one that needs to "forget about it" you did the tk'ing not me. You have a non winning argument and are very immature so I suppose we will keep going back and forth. :crazy: I'm surprised they put up with you here.

[Merlinex]

I often run a blackhawk outfitted squad as well, unfortunately alot of other people are doing this now too. Last night was a great example, whenever our squad had control of a blackhawk, the team we were on did well, otherwise we did not. There was another squad contending for the blackhawk with us all night, and to be honest they were doing a better job of spamming E to get in it. The other squad was not nearly as effective either.

Anyways all that being said, even with the frustration, no one in my squad TKed. Even under those frustrating terms its not okay TK anyone for a vehicle. Its not okay to TK under any circumstances other then Accident, even if the guy getting into the blackhawk can't fly at all.

Its just going to get worse too, because when the game 1st came out, very few groups were Blackhawk outfitted (we did it from the start because we did the same thing in BFV), but over this last week, I see people doing it on every server, in short the side guns on the blackhawk are just too powerful. A good blackhawk squad will be in the top scores every round.

So my advice, A - if you want to really use the blackhawk tactic, play on smaller servers or private servers. Otherwise, try to get it at the beginning and after that help your team and move out to take flags. Camping it also does not help, which I am definitely at fault for. Last night got so bad at one point, the enemy Commander Artillary the Heli pad, I think he honestly killed about 12 people, it was a bit ridiculous.

Tthis server is on of the best placest to play, but with 64 people vehicle contention is always going to be a problem, so let us here on these forums, try to help out the environment and not TK or over camp vehicles.

[DinkyPoopStick]

What are you 5? I know your account says 26, but I doubt it. You insult me, make false accusations and fail to admit your wrong/apologize for it. I refused to make general allegations about you before, but the more you post the more I can understand. You are inconsiderate, unknowledgeable, and out right rude. I have never felt so insulted by any one in the community and I honestly feel guilty for having this discussion with you. I feel guilty that I may actually bring this community lower that what you are striving to do by joining and on your 3rd post start insulting me. And I apologized to the everyone in this community that works so hard to make it great, but I can not remain gentile to this scrub any more. Zigen I now can see you do no not take responsibility for your actions and for the insults you sling. I DID apologize for TK in this forum BEFORE you joined. I DID NOT apologize to you personally because at the time you were just some blue guy that refused to get out of the BH after being asked many times. Now I know you as the JACKHOLE that refused to get out of the BH and deserved a TK. I hereby retract by apology for TK-ing the JACKHOLE that refused to help the team out by allowing people in squad talk the important position in the BH, like I asked many times nicely. I do NOT condone TK-ing for vehicles it was wrong and I have not don’t it before or since, but YOU deserve to be TK-ed for being a JACKHOLE. I apologize again to everyone in the community for lowering the level of this community but I feel I have been insulted 3 times, after repeated attempts to get an apology. I beg of the entire community NOT to look down on me for this post and only hope that my 2+years of playing with a majority of you will allow most of you to forgive me and know me as the stand-up and fun loving individual I am.

[dbodenheim]

Dinky your kinda out-of-line here. The best thing you can do is just cease typing anything. :)

[Drayu]

lock this before it gets out of hand.

[DinkyPoopStick]

I apologies again, but I have been accused something I did not do, and when I asked nicely for an apology I get insulted again. I beg for the community’s forgiveness again, but I have been besmirched and I will not accept that.

[GroovyDude]

Community apology accepted. Padlock set. Let's move on.