What to buy: PS3 or 360? [Archive]

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-09-2008, 12:41 PM

I'm thinking of giving in to guilty pleasure and spending some dough on a console.
This is mainly so I can play GTA 4, so take that into account (ie. there will be downloadable content for 360, but not PS3)
This is also a big decision for me because I'm not all that wealthy right now.

So, as far as I know, here are the pros and cons of each system...

PS3

The good:

-Blu ray (since HD is on it's way out)
-more powerful (so I hear... is it's hardware actually better?)
-free online capability
-mouse and keyboard capability (although most games don't support it)
-backwards compatibility. I can finally play God of War :P

The bad:

-not a lot of games out for it
-washed out colours. From comparison videos, it seems to me the 360 has more vibrant contrast values (EDIT: seems that is bullshit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HvdRfUmoqQ)
-more expensive

XBOX 360

The good:

-good exclusive titles (although many are on PC anyways)
-huge player base
-nice colours/contrast
-exclusive content for GTA 4 :)
-Cheaper price tag

The bad:

-red rings of death. I hear this still happens with the Elite too
-pay for online play (I'm broke as it is)
-not as powerful (again, ?)
-HD, no blu ray

That's all I can think of, really.

Currently I'm leaning more towards PS3 due to it's blu ray, free online and mouse/keyboard capability. Plus, I just looked at the PS3 exclusive titles list and it's actually pretty good (http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=20553).
Also, the fact that some XBOX 360 have a tendency to completely fail and fuck up makes me wary of buying it.

EDIT: after reading this thread and enlightening myself more about the 2 consoles via comparison articles, I'm now leaning more towards the XBOX 360 :P

For those of you who have either system, why did you buy yours over the competition?
For those of you who have both systems, which do you like better?
For those of you who are extreme tech nuts, give your insight into which console has the better hardware and how each console will perform in the next few years.

Of course, you can just give any advice you like, I'm sure it'll be helpful regardless.

Thanks in advance!

EDIT: PS. what is the deal with hard drives for consoles? Do the games not run off CDs/DVDs anymore? Do I need to install each game or is the hard drive just for saved games, videos and music etc? If that's the case, I really don't need a big hard drive. The lowest (40gb) should be enough methinks.

EDIT: PPS. I also do not own a nice TV (ie. not flatscreen or HD). I was thinking of hooking the console up to my monitor. Have any of you guys tried that or know if it looks just as good as an HD tv (considering monitors can easily play at 1080p or 720p)?

Thanks again

Crotch-Rot

04-09-2008, 01:10 PM

For those of you who have either system, why did you buy yours over the competition?
For those of you who have both systems, which do you like better?
For those of you who are extreme tech nuts, give your insight into how each console will perform in the next few years.

Thanks in advance!

Please keep in mind that when I was deciding on 360 or wait for PS3, I only have experience with the PS2 to compare with.

I bought the 360 when it first came out and I still have that one. I have not had the rings of death yet (knock on wood). And I use it in spurts sometimes playing for weeks/months 3-4 hours 4-5 times a week. And then sometimes don't even touch it for weeks at a time. The ring of death is a problem, yes, but you only hear about it bc every person with that problem makes it publicly known that they have that problem while those w/o the problem just go on happily playing their games. In light of this problem, many people are buying the extended warranties from the stores to protect themselves. I'd like to see the real stats from MS on the defective consoles.

I bought the 360 bc I like the way the games work online. While it's a paid service, I thought it was better implemented than the free Playstation (PS2 at the time) online gaming implementation. Furthermore, I like the downloadable contents (demos, trailers, add-ons, HD movies, tv shows) of the 360 more.

Currently, I have both the 360 and the PS3. I recently bought the PS3 after the Blu-ray vs HDDVD war was over. I bought it primarily to watch BD movies. In that aspect, the PS3 is an excellent BD player. From surfing the PS Network online, their DLC is small compare to what's available with the 360.

Technically, on paper, the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. How much of that is pure marketing BS and how much is true is really a grey area. In reality, you'd be hard pressed to notice a difference between the 360 and the PS3 in game performance.

I still prefer to buy my games for the 360 unless it's exclusive to the PS3, but nowadays, platform exclusivity is rare. Almost every game is made for both platforms, plus the PS2.

My advice to you is to think about what kind of games you'll be playing, whether you'll want to play it online or offline. If offline, then it isn't a factor. If online, then there are quite a few of us here at WiH that have the 360 and when a big game comes out for it, we tend to get together online to play together. I don't see that happening with the PS3 unless another 6 of you guys buy PS3's.

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-09-2008, 01:13 PM

Thanks for the info/advice Crotch. Although I like how in depth the 360's online stuff is, I really wouldn't be using my console for browsing apart from downloading patches/demos. Therefore, I'm not all that concerned that 360's online browsing features are more robust. The fact that most you guys use 360 to play online is interesting though. How much is it per month anyways?

EDIT: after reading more about the online stuff, I can definitely see what you mean overall (see: 2nd link at the end of my post)

I just read this excerpt from an article about performance:

"On paper, the PS3 is more powerful. In reality, it’s quite inferior to the 360. Without getting into too many details, the three general-purpose CPU’s the xbox360 has are currently FAR easier to take advantage of than the SPU’s on the PS3. I suspect a few years down the road some high budget, first party PS3 exclusive titles will come out that really take advantage of the SPU’s and do things the XBOX 360 can’t, but I don’t think the console is worth buying based on this speculation (for some it will be though, we'll have to wait and see how these games turn out)."

Here's the rest of that article. The writer clearly states that xbox 360 is the better system (http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-348-1.htm)
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EDIT: Here's an updated article from Nov 2007 (exactly a yr after the one above) and it's now a closer battle, with the PS3's performance suspected to be better than the 360 in the future because of dev experience.
BUT, they clearly state that the 360's GPU is better, and therefore the visuals are as well.

http://www.hardcoreware.net/playstation-3-vs-xbox-360-one-year-later/

After reading both articles it seems PS3 is a better multimedia handler and 360 wins hands down for simply playing games.
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Supergirl

04-09-2008, 01:22 PM

PS3 FTW!!

to me the greatest feature is that over your PS3 you can watch movies etc stored on your home computers in network. no more burning, copying, etc.

with PSP i can even watch it remotely.

now, i don't have XBOX and i also don't have time to research the good and the bad, but I know that some astropgysicists replaced an extremely expensive computer with 8 PS3 who do the job better.
PS3 has 8 CPUs if i'm not mistaken.

i used online play for GH3 and rockband, and again, i must say I know a few people (family) who own one too, so it's kinda nice too.

I <3 my PS3!!!

Supergirl

04-09-2008, 01:23 PM

here is the article

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2007/10/ps3_supercomputer

Crotch-Rot

04-09-2008, 01:31 PM

360 Live is like $50 or 60USD per year so it's like $5/month.

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-09-2008, 01:42 PM

Cool article SG.

I'm glad you have fun with your PS3 in terms of playing media, but from what I've read, it doesn't really hold up against the 360 as a game playing platform :P

Crotch-Rot

04-09-2008, 01:43 PM

SG - can you help me setup my PS3 so i can stream p0rn to my PSP? :)

Vash

04-09-2008, 02:07 PM

It comes down to what you consider more important - a better online service (albeit one you must pay for), or a (supposedly) more powerful machine that offers Blu-ray. System exclusivity is almost a myth these days, but in my opinion the 360 has a more robust library. Although PS3 will see a good year in '08. The borders have become blurred.

Crotch-Rot

04-09-2008, 02:11 PM

And btw, backwards compat on the PS3 is only avail on the larger HD model. at least that was the case a few months ago.

MS will be bringing out a BD drive later this year I believe...

StevenNevets

04-09-2008, 02:26 PM

360 Live is like $50 or 60USD per year so it's like $5/month.There's always deals going on where you can get 1 year for $30-$40.

GTA 4 will probably come out on the PC anyway and with better mods. If you want it asap hmm, maybe PS3.

Price isn't so bad anymore. PS2's selection is amazing. Blue-ray. MGS. Within the next 2 years PS3 exclusive titles should be very competetive.

sir_digalot

04-09-2008, 02:28 PM

M$ said they will not be bringing out BD because the future is IP video....

go figure...

Prowler130

04-09-2008, 03:24 PM

I bought my ps3 due to the backwards compatibility, blu-ray, the brute-force of the machine, and its versatility. I say versatility because there is a dedicated linux distro designed to run on the system as a seperate OS. It streams seemlessly with the psp.

As for online service, it is very free and my roomie has an xbox so comparatively I havent seen much of a difference. He mainly plays halo 3 and to be honest I have seen numerous network hic-ups, matchmaking takes forever, and the online interface looks to be game specific. PS3 works the same way. There is a marketplace, there is good online support for multiplayer games, matchmaking is much faster as well. The only thing that the PSN is missing is achievements. If paying $5 to get 100 arbitrary points for shooting someone in the face is your bag, then the xbox is your future.

As for performance, there are many options to consider as far as HDTV's and even cables and connections are concerned. Most of the stuff you see online as a comparison is quite biased towards the 360. I say this since most gmaes compared are designed on t he 360 and ported to the ps3. For example, Madden 08. That is a widely used comparison and is extremely biased since it was designed on the 360 and is not optimized for use on the ps3.

Looking at the library now, ps3 has a couple of huge exclusive titles in coming in the near future. That combined with the huge library of ps1 and ps2 games (not including downloadable games from PSN) make the system very worthwhile. With the victory of Blu-Ray recently, ps3 sales are also starting to go through the roof.

Anyway, that is all my opinion of course, and the bottom line is this: I purchased my ps3 for $500 last year, I have a library of about 15 games, and I have not regretted the purchases at all. The system has never given me a problem, it displays gorgeously on my 32" HDTV using native HDMI, and when I get the money it will sound wonderful on my 7.1 digital (optical) surround sound system.

Prowler130

04-09-2008, 03:35 PM

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68768

Older article, but it seems Take-two will likely release exclusive content for the ps3 as well... of course this poses the question: why cant we all have access to ALL the content?

On another note, PSN will also be implementing an acheivement system called "accomplishments" along side the realease of gta4. Now there doesnt seem to be a reason to pay for Live.

http://frag-cast.blogspot.com/2008/03/ps3-trophy-system-earn-items-for-your.html

Seems acheivement points on the ps3 wont be arbitrary either.

sir_digalot

04-09-2008, 03:47 PM

ps3 for blue ray i think... and ps2 compatibility the 360 is nice but too restrictive

Crotch-Rot

04-09-2008, 04:08 PM

I think it comes down to how you game. Like I said, if you game offline, then take your pic. If you game online, then you'd want to game with your friends. Get whatever they have. Then at the very least, you guys can exchange games with each other.

Dereks_06

04-09-2008, 05:33 PM

The 360 is more suited for games. The Cell Broadband Engine is not suited for games like the general purpose CPU of the 360. And the PS3's GPU is is a 7900 based GPU that is starved for bandwidth. The 360's GPU is supposedly less powerful, but the off die chip next to it gives it the power to be ahead of the PS3's GPU. However, the Cell CPU, although poor for games, is very good at graphics processing and can take things that the 7900 based GPU has trouble with. This gives the PS3 unlocked potential that can be harnessed in the future. They each have more potential that can be unlocked but the PS3 may have more.

Overall they are so close in terms of power which one to get based on power should not be the deciding factor. Instead you should get the one you will have most fun on and has the games you wish to play.

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-09-2008, 06:08 PM

Hmm.. from the arguments here they seem to both have strengths. Nothing really separates them, except the price. Looks like 360 is the better choice overall, maybe.

How about Hard Drives? If I don't care about downloading multimedia from the net onto my console, do I really need an HD bigger than 20 gb?

Also, can both consoles plug directly into my monitor? There is only an analog input on the monitor, but I have a converter to DVI.

Anybody know of super deals for either system right now?
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Dereks_06

04-09-2008, 06:24 PM

My HD is 20 gigs. I have 4 games. Halo 2, Halo 3, Ghost Reacon, and COD4. I have all the map packs. This uses around 2GB. However after formating and whatever the Xbox Reserves for itself this comes out to be like 14GB of space for the user.

I bought a special cable off of newegg so I can play Xbox on my 22inch screen, I think it's like 30$ and it is VGA or analog. The only problem is that the xbox doesn't output to 1680x1050. The closest res is 1240x1024 or 1080i. But with it stretched it still looks a lot better than on a TV.

((TNT((~*

04-09-2008, 08:53 PM

to keep this short ive listed ps3 exclusives only...

I have a 60 gig, 2 controllers, PSeye, resistance FOM, darkness, heavenly sword, warhawk, stranglehold, uncharted, burnout paradise, army of two

SEVEN LUCKY REASONS TO BUY A PS3 instead of a 360 <3 TNT

#7 --- PS3 bargains galore!!!
Amazon atm has a buy 2 get 1 free deal (selection is decent), and they are always having these great buys changing every 2 weeks i believe. The savings have gone as high as 63% off!!

Best buy and circuit city have WEEKLY deals selling an hdtv with a ps3. Go ahead, look right now!!! i cant post link because its zip code specific =(

#6 --- Warhawk
Awesome multiplayer game with DLC (some free others cheap), easy gameplay mechanics planes, 4x4s, tanks, rockets, grenades, wrenches (to fi or break!) and much more. I play this game often -compared to my ps3 library of eight games- and see myself continuing to do so through the summer...unless GTA4 says otherwise.
heres a link to the next Booster Pack http://ps3.ign.com/articles/865/865524p1.html

#5 --- Grand Turismo Prologue
Do you remember what the last GT looked like...on the ps2?!?!!? This PS3 installment is going to be a car junkies dream!!!! most realistic physics and visuals in a car game since....the last GT!!! (im not a big fan of the game actually....burnout ftw)

#4 --- Little Big Planet
This is one of those games where u can design a map and have others play it...yes i know im horrible at properly describing this, but thats ok, heres a link ^_^
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/856/856680.html

#3 --- Home
This is basically an MMO that can directly rival Second Life (google it). You can have a human avatar, walk around a huge virtual world, customize you own virtual crib -i like to call it an e-crib- and meet other ps3 users around the world. BUT WAIT, THERES MORE...you can have HDTV's (yes HD) on your e-crib wall and invite e-buddies, like TNTbkNY, to come and watch videos directly from your hard drive (youtube eat it?); you can take a picture on your phone (not sure if its ericcson only...probably is though) and upload it to your e-crib and post it ow your...e-wall; there also will be "Entitlements/Trophies" to display. Hmm and then theres the regular stuff, such as being able to play bowling, pool, etc.
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/891/891773.html

#2 --- God of War III (confirmed, GOW: chains of Olympus advertisement GOW 2 (actually better than the first!!!) has an insane cliffhanger ending and...well im gona just spoil it so ill stop there...gow3.

#1 --- People are getting beat up over sony consoles...STILL!!
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/04/09/dnt.boxer.burglar.kcrg

ps.
1)PS3 has rumble now so i would hold off until u can definately get a dual shock 3 bundled in instead of the current sixaxis which is non-rumble.

2) the colors issue has to do with the manufacture setting not being on a certain setting (can be easily altered in options no sweat).

3) on the issue with failure rates, 360 reportedly is as high as 33% where as ps3 AND the wii is only 5% (it fluctuates per site =/). Personally I know 5 people irl with 360's, four friends and one is my cousin. My cousin's is the only one that didnt RROD on him. i know 3 people irl with ps3's and so far none have gone wrong. One person i game with online line did say his disc drive messed up though. http://forums.cnet.com/5208-10151_102-0.html?forumID=96&threadID=255297&messageID=2532851

Vash

04-09-2008, 10:11 PM

Anybody know of super deals for either system right now?

I know the Elite (which is the preferred 360 model, should you go that route) has some bundles floating around the net. Scour amazon. I'm not sure about the PS3.

((TNT((~*

04-09-2008, 10:38 PM

nice pic vash ^_^

CassiusMelacor

04-11-2008, 05:00 PM

Just a suggestion. If you can, try to play both systems and see which one you like (more). I currently have a 360. I really do like the layout of the controller. At some time in the future, I may get another console if there are any exclusive games that are "to die for."

As for hard drive space, unless you download movies and such then a 20gb drive is just fine.

Supergirl

04-11-2008, 05:15 PM

regarding the price, consider also that XBOX comes blank, i.e. not even a wireless controller.
PS has it built in. when you add to xbox what ps3 has, it's the same price indeed!

circuit city had deals where you would buy a ps3 and a second controller for free. check that out too. you'll need second controller eventually :-)

oh, there is indeed one thing that i can think of that speaks for xbox if you are playing both guitar hero and rock band. the guitar controller is compatible between the games, as is on wii and PS2, just not PS3.

if i recall right someone told me the other day why xboxes die so much. it has to do with the opening for the fan that catches too much dust and the xbox gets too dusty, can't breath, bang, dead!
ms won't allow you to open it for cleaning, warranty issues.

go figure!

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-11-2008, 05:54 PM

@Derek: Awesome, so the 360 or PS3 should work fine with that sort of cable then.
And I shouldn't need an HD bigger than 20 gb

@TNT: haha nice list bro

most of those games u mentioned, I don't really care about. Same goes for Home :P
That is, except GoW 3

I checked out that deal for the TV and PS3 at best buy and I'd need to buy a $2900 HDTV to get the PS3 free... kinda, umm, expensive for my budget.

Plus, how is ppl gettin beat up over the console a good thing :lol:

I know the Elite (which is the preferred 360 model, should you go that route) has some bundles floating around the net. Scour amazon. I'm not sure about the PS3.

I'm completely turned off from the Elite edition, since I don't need a huge hard drive.. and also, more specifically, due to this 'review' of it:

http://www.hardcoreware.net/xbox-360-elite-the-new-retard-edition/

Just a suggestion. If you can, try to play both systems and see which one you like (more). I currently have a 360. I really do like the layout of the controller. At some time in the future, I may get another console if there are any exclusive games that are "to die for."

As for hard drive space, unless you download movies and such then a 20gb drive is just fine.

Yeah I'll have to check em both out in store or something. And yeah, I'm sure the 20gb will suit me just fine.

regarding the price, consider also that XBOX comes blank, i.e. not even a wireless controller.
PS has it built in. when you add to xbox what ps3 has, it's the same price indeed!

circuit city had deals where you would buy a ps3 and a second controller for free. check that out too. you'll need second controller eventually :-)

oh, there is indeed one thing that i can think of that speaks for xbox if you are playing both guitar hero and rock band. the guitar controller is compatible between the games, as is on wii and PS2, just not PS3.

if i recall right someone told me the other day why xboxes die so much. it has to do with the opening for the fan that catches too much dust and the xbox gets too dusty, can't breath, bang, dead!
ms won't allow you to open it for cleaning, warranty issues.

go figure!

But both systems come with at least ONE controller, whether wireless or not right? I couldn't really care less about wireless to be honest, since I'll be playing using my computer monitor.

I think Circuit City went kaput in Canada, at least all the ones near me did.

I absolutely hate Guitar Hero :P

You should be able to take a vacuum to the outside and suck some of that dust out, I'd imagine.

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Overall, I could see myself buying the 360 over the PS3 for many reasons, some of them being the price, the game selection, controller setup and the player base.
Really, the only thing I'm concerned with aobut the 360 is the failure rate.

What's the default warranty like on the 360, or how much is it to get a longer warranty?

Supergirl

04-11-2008, 06:07 PM

i mean wireless for the internet. you'll have to buy wi-fi for it ;)

but go ahead, don't say we didn't warn you! :p

Vash

04-11-2008, 06:33 PM

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-11-2008, 06:56 PM

I thought all newer models of the 360 manufactured past a certain date had something changed so that the probability of RRoD is lowered. No?

Vash

04-11-2008, 07:06 PM

I thought all newer models of the 360 manufactured past a certain date had something changed so that the probability of RRoD is lowered. No?

Honestly, I have no fucking clue. Go with whatever your heart tells you.

FozzyBear

04-11-2008, 09:08 PM

I bought the 360 ELITE about a month ago.

No issues, and I like it. I still play the PC more, but it is nice to be able to play with guys from work.

The only reason I wanted to get the PS3 was for the blue ray. Honestly I will probably not buy any HD/BR movies for a while. My upconverting DVD/Divx player works great for my movies :) And, I figured that eventually M$ will come out with a BR player or someone will make one for use on the XBOX360.

The other main reason I got the 360 was so I could play with my RL friends here. Hardly anyone (no one) had a PS3.

BTW I hooked it up to my LCD monitor that I use for my PC. Works wonderfully! Push a button and swap back and forth between my PC and Xbox.

Here is a pic of my very messy setup :)

Dereks_06

04-11-2008, 10:43 PM

The only reason I suggested the Elite to you was for the reduced chance of encountering a RRoD. I've had mine for over a year, and faced no problems. Where as friends of mine with the standard edition have met with the crimson rings on at least one occasion.

They have gotten all xbox's failure rates down to that of the PS3. The only one that I am not sure about is the Arcade edition, I think that still may use the older Xenon Architecture.

Also Super brought up a good point about dust collecting. Every few months or so I would recommend taking an air compressor and using it to blow the dust out of it. The first time I did it looked like there was smoke coming out of my xbox because the dust had gathered up so much. However the newer ones are less prone to building up dust.

Here is the Xenon's cpu heatsink:
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/microsoft/xbox360-65nm/old-open_sm.jpg

And here is the newer falcon design:
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/microsoft/xbox360-65nm/new-open2.jpg

As you can see the old Xenon had a bunch of close together fins that could collect dust easier. The new Falcon does not have this and it also sports more complex GPU cooling.

Source:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3152&p=1

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-12-2008, 11:46 AM

Nice Derek, thanks for the info.

Would u use a compressor or a vacuum to get the dust out though? Wouldn't the compressor push the dust right into the machine rather than extract it?

Also, I was thinking if I got a 360, maybe i could attach some extra fans to the outsides (where the vents are) to increase air flow through it. I'd just power them with an extra power supply. Think that would work?

Dereks_06

04-12-2008, 05:32 PM

I use a air compressor and blow in all holes. I seems to work good so far. On my Xenon based xbox.

I think adding fans would be worthless. I read somewhere that having fans that close together creates some kind of wind tunnel, vortex, or something like that and that can actually hurt airflow. Also I heard the Intercooler makes cooling performance worse because it has 3 40mm fans and the 2 60mm fans are supposed to be better.

CassiusMelacor

04-12-2008, 08:35 PM

Really, the only thing I'm concerned with aobut the 360 is the failure rate.

What's the default warranty like on the 360, or how much is it to get a longer warranty?

Mine is a core that was purchased late '06. I have not had any problems with it, and even took it with me on my deployment (provided some much needed entertainment).

As for the warranty, 3 years for general hardware failures.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/systemuse/xbox360/resources/warrantyfaq.htm

EANeuspeed

04-12-2008, 11:48 PM

I say a PS3.

[W33T] Canadian23

04-13-2008, 01:52 PM

the 360 is great with large groups of people playing system link halo matches and cod4. it a more social console than the ps3. in my town at lest all most everyone has 360's so easier to get a bunch of people togather which is better than online play i say.

sir_digalot

04-15-2008, 08:45 AM

i say if you care not about your warranty or got your 360 cheap, take it apart and mod it like we would anything else, put some cool fans on it and what-not... uv tubes..... yeah...

of course if you still have warranty stick with the above *L*

my one is still going strong in a house with at minimim 2 smokers (usually more) and a cat whos sole purpose is to shed as much hair as possible into my electronic devices. i have to vaccum the filters on my pc about twice a month and still clean the inside every 3 months, though i have noticed the 360 is pretty loud right now, i may give it a good blowjob to be sure

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-15-2008, 02:48 PM

haha digalot that entire post was hilarious dude

I'm glad they extended the warranty on the 360.. I can't see myself getting the PS3 unless it's later in the year and I want to play Killzone 2 or God of War 3 :P

So, hopefully I make some cash soon and get myself GTA 4 and a 360 :D

CassiusMelacor

04-15-2008, 07:02 PM

... i may give it a good blowjob to be sure

Yes.. it seems I found something to add to my boring signature.

redish16

04-19-2008, 02:34 PM

Decisions decisions....

ENGLANDER

04-20-2008, 07:15 AM

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28005.html
360 for me and there are some more vids to look at
ps watch in HD

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-22-2008, 07:19 PM

Well 360 looks like it's sharper with more contrast, but that's only because the settings on the PS3 haven't been adjusted in the video menus. Pretty much every game looks the same on both consoles when the settings are adjusted.

Still, I DID see a dip in the framerate on the PS3 while Altair was riding his horse in the country. I saw no such dip on the 360 :O

Prowler130

04-23-2008, 04:23 PM

Dereks_06

04-23-2008, 04:39 PM

The curse of ported games :P

No kidding. On the PC version you can complete tell it is ported because the shadows and far away stuff is amazingly blocky. It seems to render only up to 10 feet in front of you. As you walk you can see the walls and ground smoothing out and becoming detailed, its annoying.

Prowler130

04-23-2008, 05:29 PM

No kidding. On the PC version you can complete tell it is ported because the shadows and far away stuff is amazingly blocky. It seems to render only up to 10 feet in front of you. As you walk you can see the walls and ground smoothing out and becoming detailed, its annoying.

Thats why we need more companies like infinity ward, even though they recently sold out in a way to M$, they actually built cod4 for each system individually (which of course explains the awesome performance and quality all around).

SoupyC

04-23-2008, 05:32 PM

I've owned a 360, sold it recently to upgrade my video card and motherboard in my PC. However, it is a great deal, even with the $50/year LIVE service. I will be buying another one.

That being said, I will also likely get the PS3 as well, both for its Blu-Ray capabilities, and its exclusive titles. A couple of friends of mine have these, and as much as I hate Sony, they did a damn fine job on this console. It's really a pick em at this point, though if I were in your shoes (and as much as I hate to say it) I'd go with the PS3.

sir_digalot

04-25-2008, 08:02 AM

ps360-2-ds-psp-gba FTW!!!!!

ft-agent

04-25-2008, 12:51 PM

I bought no warranty for my nes 8-bit and it's been working for over 20 yrs now. Ah shit wrong thread...
I have neither a ps3 nor a 360 but I've played both and I'd say ps3. Don't get 360 just for gta4 if that's why you're thinking of getting it, I'd say if you can wait a few more months to make the purchase for either console wait it out.

sir_digalot

04-25-2008, 05:30 PM

ketito

04-27-2008, 06:44 PM

hehe thats coz the 8 bit nes has no moving parts, and very few moving electrons *LOL*

i would never buy a console for 1 game, for me it was "what else can this console do for me for the price"

until the PS3 drops or i can get an older one ( read one wit hps2 hardware in it) i won't bother.

if the ps3 extracts digital audio like the ps2 does it will be worth it ( the ps2 did not interfere with the bitstream when using TOS to the amp so my 5.1 audio cd's worked fine, unfortuantly the 360 does balls it up.... oh well...

Well im holding on buying the PS3 untill gran turismo 5 comes out. Sony has had many years in the market at the top. xbox 360 is trying to steal customers but they are paying the price (MS) of having no background with the xbox and 360 (they are fairly new with the xbox360).

MS said they would be making a 360 with a blu-ray disc player. This is like the HD-DVD and blu-ray war... go save, buy PS3. 360 is here cuz microsoft's got the money to support it, but PS3 is here because sony had and has a reputation of being at the top for many, many years!

I hate ppl who cant buy the PS3 because they got no money. "oh, the PS3 its like 600 dollars, therefore its a bad console"... how stupid. When the ipod touch came out it was like 400 dollars (16gb) so what i did was work a few extra hours for like 3 days, and then i bought it. But i wont say that since the 32gb its 500 dollars and i cant buy it its a POS.

Prowler130

04-27-2008, 07:18 PM

Well im holding on buying the PS3 untill gran turismo 5 comes out. Sony has had many years in the market at the top. xbox 360 is trying to steal customers but they are paying the price (MS) of having no background with the xbox and 360 (they are fairly new with the xbox360).

MS said they would be making a 360 with a blu-ray disc player. This is like the HD-DVD and blu-ray war... go save, buy PS3. 360 is here cuz microsoft's got the money to support it, but PS3 is here because sony had and has a reputation of being at the top for many, many years!

I hate ppl who cant buy the PS3 because they got no money. "oh, the PS3 its like 600 dollars, therefore its a bad console"... how stupid. When the ipod touch came out it was like 400 dollars (16gb) so what i did was work a few extra hours for like 3 days, and then i bought it. But i wont say that since the 32gb its 500 dollars and i cant buy it its a POS.

gt5 prologue is out.

LordBeer

04-27-2008, 09:09 PM

gt5 prologue is considered by many to be a $40 demo of what the real game will be. It's not the REAL gt5 experience.

Prowler130

04-27-2008, 11:00 PM

gt5 prologue is considered by many to be a $40 demo of what the real game will be. It's not the REAL gt5 experience.

its 60 cars, a bunch of tracks, and a couple of modes for basically half price of a normal ps3 game. Considering thats more than what you get in any other racer, i would definitely consider that a gt5 experience. Not to mention the diehard fans already have it and are enjoying it.

FozzyBear

04-27-2008, 11:27 PM

OK... got to ask. Is GT5 = Gran Turismo 5???

didn't realize they were up to 5 if it is.

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-27-2008, 11:35 PM

yeah GT5 = Gran Tourismo 5.

To be honest, i think GT5 looks hella boring. I'm much more looking forward to GRID. Don't get me wrong, I love racing sims (I play Richard Burns Rally FFS), but GT5 looks incredibly stale to me.

SoupyC

04-28-2008, 10:36 AM

You mean (gameplay wise) it looks like every other GT in the series? Yeah, I could see that.

FiLTHY_SNiPER

04-28-2008, 11:19 AM

Well yeah I was never really a fan of the GT series. I was more akin to the Toca Race Driver series on PC.
Sure, the graphics in GT5 are pretty intense, but I find driving around the block in my shitty Jeep to be more fun than playing any GT game.
Also, one thing I noticed about the graphics is that they are too clean. Sure, the poly counts are through the roof, but to me the textures make it pretty unrealistic.

Crotch-Rot

04-28-2008, 11:39 AM

TOCA rocks!!!

LordBeer

04-28-2008, 02:50 PM

its 60 cars, a bunch of tracks, and a couple of modes for basically half price of a normal ps3 game. Considering thats more than what you get in any other racer, i would definitely consider that a gt5 experience. Not to mention the diehard fans already have it and are enjoying it.

It's a rental in my opinion and of the reviews I've read. I'm saving for the real deal with 900 cars and more then 6 tracks. I've loved every full Grand Turismo game that's come out. I'm not going to tease myself with a partial game. You could almost buy a driving wheel for the $40 you'd save. Not knocking what prologue's gameplay is, but every review I'd read have called it a demo or extended demo that doesnt have enough tracks.

I used to have TOCA somewhere. I'd imagine it's lost to the abyss at this point. GT Legends is my flavor now but my driving wheel broke and I'm afraid to try and fix it.

Prowler130

04-29-2008, 06:03 PM

It's a rental in my opinion and of the reviews I've read. I'm saving for the real deal with 900 cars and more then 6 tracks. I've loved every full Grand Turismo game that's come out. I'm not going to tease myself with a partial game. You could almost buy a driving wheel for the $40 you'd save. Not knocking what prologue's gameplay is, but every review I'd read have called it a demo or extended demo that doesnt have enough tracks.

I used to have TOCA somewhere. I'd imagine it's lost to the abyss at this point. GT Legends is my flavor now but my driving wheel broke and I'm afraid to try and fix it.

Theres some kind of deal where the $40, or at least a portion, goes as credit towards the actual game in 2009. See your local gamestop for details.

FiLTHY_SNiPER

05-03-2008, 08:25 AM

My buddy knows how to fix 360's with RROD. I acquired a 360 with RROD syndrome. There is hope. I shall find out later today.

:O

FiLTHY_SNiPER

05-04-2008, 08:33 AM

I bought the defective 360 for $100 bucks off someone I know and now I've fixed it! I actually did most of the fixing myself via tutorials on the internet, but needed my friend to finish it off.

Now all I need is to buy a controller and GTA4 and I'm fucking SET! Too bad nothings open till at least 11 am.... dammmmiITTTTT

((TNT((~*

05-04-2008, 09:14 PM

so...u played gta yet?

SoupyC

05-04-2008, 10:38 PM

Man, you gotta share that technique with me. :D I'd love to get a used one.

FiLTHY_SNiPER

05-05-2008, 08:08 PM

I went out and bought a 360 controller and GTA4 on sunday morning. The console has worked *(edited: because it's framerate turned out to be shit :P) since I fixed it :D

GTA4 is obviously amazing. Although I think I hyped it up maybe a tad too much, it's everything I imagined it to be. Fucking amazing, it is.

@Soupy: dude if you find a busted 360, I will give you all the links and info to how to fix one, as long as it's only issue is the 3 red lights thing. Not sure how to fix other issues.

FozzyBear

05-05-2008, 08:39 PM

@Soupy: dude if you find a busted 360, I will give you all the links and info to how to fix one, as long as it's only issue is the 3 red lights thing. Not sure how to fix other issues.

You ought to post the links in a separate thread anyways. :thumbsup:

SoupyC

05-06-2008, 12:07 AM

Schweet, thanks Filthy. :beer: I'll start lookin.

Crotch-Rot

05-06-2008, 08:36 AM

get online you filthy bitch!

FiLTHY_SNiPER

05-07-2008, 06:08 PM

:lol: Crotch

Question:

Anyone know where to find an adapter that changes an optical feed to the 3 different prongs of a PC 5.1 surround speaker system.

I'm referring to this optical cable: http://www.amazon.com/DreamGear-DG360-769-Xbox-Optical-Cable/dp/B000H9A1KI

The input jacks are for my Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer

So, what I need is an adapter that has an optical input on one side and 3 holes for green, black and orange connectors from my SoundBlaster (picture: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2007/07/creative_x-fi_xtremegamer/reario.jpg)

Anyone heard of such an adapter?

I'm currently playing 360 on my monitor, but the inputs for audio (as seen here: http://www.amazon.com/DreamGear-DG360-769-Xbox-Optical-Cable/dp/B000H9A1KI) aren't compatible with my speakers.

SoupyC

05-07-2008, 06:21 PM

Only ones I've seen downconvert to a single coax connector, and are like $75. I think anything that took optical and converts it to a 5.1 analog signal would be pretty expensive.

You don't have the cable for the 360 that has the three RCA-type connectors for direct connection to a reciever? That'd probably work best for that system, you can use RCA to 1/8th inch audio cables.

FiLTHY_SNiPER

05-07-2008, 06:42 PM

You don't have the cable for the 360 that has the three RCA-type connectors for direct connection to a reciever? That'd probably work best for that system, you can use RCA to 1/8th inch audio cables.

Sorry man, that was like speaking Japanese to me..

Could you explain a bit, in semi-plain terms?

On the same topic, I read up on my sound blaster and it turns out I can use the white jack in the back for an optical input (I think (?)). Here, check out this tidbit of info along with a pic:

"There are just three jacks for 7.1 surround sound output, meaning the black and orange are now four pole instead of the standard three pole. They represent the rear left/right and side left then centre/sub and side right respectively. This means you have to have a compatible speaker set in order to take advantage of the full 7.1 setup. If you want just a 5.1 setup then you can use any standard 5.1 speakers using three, three pole 3.5mm jacks. The last (white) one is a dual Flexijack which features line in, microphone in and optical out. The optical out requires a toslink adapter which is again not supplied, but also available from the online shop."

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2007/07/creative_x-fi_xtremegamer/reario.jpg

The toslink adapter appears to be pretty cheap: http://www.national-tech.com/catalog/toslinkadapter.htm

now, I'm not entirely sure if this is what I need in order to get sound out of my 5.1 PC speakers. Ie. when they say "line in, microphone in and optical out", is out what I need?

SoupyC

05-07-2008, 06:58 PM

No, that little white plug is to output sound from your PC to an optical capable sound system/receiver.

The 360 comes with that big fat single cable that has both video and audio connectors at the end.

http://www.xbox.com/NR/rdonlyres/7C0F3CA9-98B7-4F91-92A8-EC1B1E06B556/0/boxxbox360componenthdcable.jpg

That cable also has (on the base that plugs in to the 360) an optical audio out. What it sounds to me like you want to do is convert that optical (digital signal) to analog (what your PC speakers would hook up to). What I wanted to suggest would not get you 5.1 digital surround.

Methinks you'd need to use a home theater receiver with an optical input, to get the full effect. Lemme see what I can find.

Edit: http://www.amabilidade2002.com/toslink.htm is about the only thing I can find, and it down converts to stereo. :( May as well just use the built in RCA jacks. I had this issue as well when I tried to hook my 360 up to my monitor. Couldn't find an inexpensive way to do the sound in surround, so I moved it back to the TV, with the reciever. :D

Prowler130

05-07-2008, 08:28 PM

your best bet is to actually find a theater-in-a-box set for about $200 at a local best buy or circuit city. The next best bet is to build you own surround sound system with a custom receiver... but that gets very expensive.

FiLTHY_SNiPER

05-07-2008, 08:40 PM

Holy smokes.. sounds like you guys are talkin a lot of cash. I'm definitely in no position to spend much more money on my 360 :P

I do have an idea though..
I could take the male and female (red and white) from my 360 VGA cable and plug them into this adapter which turns into a 3.5mm speaker input: http://www.national-tech.com/specs/30s1-01300.htm

In turn, I could plug the 3.5mm input into the back of my sub, just in the center/sub speaker input. At that point, the sound would only come out of the center/sub, which kinda blows. BUT, I'd then configure my speakers so that they all work on the center/sub channel rather than surround.

Would that work?

SoupyC

05-07-2008, 08:56 PM

Or you could do what I did and use RCA to stereo adapters and splitters and use both at once. :D

Bonez

05-07-2008, 08:59 PM

doesn't the HDvga cables come with one of them ?

FiLTHY_SNiPER

05-07-2008, 09:29 PM

Or you could do what I did and use RCA to stereo adapters and splitters and use both at once. :D

COuld you maybe link me to pics of what these look like? I'm kind of clueless :(

Prowler130

05-07-2008, 09:30 PM