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sir_digalot
01-16-2008, 04:33 PM
me and my buddy are in the same office and job, we are basically helpdesk people, even though we do all sorts of interesting projects and such, we are hourly employees, and often I will work from home remoting in and be at the general beck and call of the company, we get all the crap that is thrown our way, whether it be designing a new domain or disaster recovery system to building servers workstations and recently especially for my buddy spearheading the implemtation and a brand new phone system in all our offices, in short we do everything.

our pay raise was not even worth mentioning, it barely scrapes 100 a month, even though the company has had a great year according to all the big wigs, in addition to this, to add insult to injury we are paid well below industry standard....

we are basically told at most opportunities we are lucky to work here and it is a great opportunity to excel and thrive, even though the only way a promotion could happen is if our supervisor were to drop dead ( tempting prospect to be honest)

most recently the CIO goes to my buddy and our supervisor that he (the cio) did the new phone system, my biddy "helped out" and that the supervisor will make sure it all works ( which is not actually the case at all and will not be when it is all done)

also during this week they told me and him that we have to be in on monday ( the federal holiday) to supervise the installation of this equipment, and that we will NOT be getting O/T for it because "we will not really be doing any work" instead we may get a few hours off some other time..or something.


so is it wrong for us to be overly angry at the company asa whole, at our supervisor who never goes to bat for us when it comes to the crunch, the same guy always running around like a spastic chicken panicing about everyhting asking for every little detail of everything so when it comes to meetings we sit there like retards while he does all the talking, the other day he gave us a pep talk on installing VIDEO CARDS INTO WORKSTATIONS! which is funny considering he knows we cna build a system blindfolded with out teeth.

he makes everything overly complex too then when things do not turn out right or on time because he micromanages turns round behind closed doors and tries to blame us, in his defence not exactly blaming us, but also not mentioning that he was minutely involved in the whole process making it impossible to get things done.

added to the fact he is always after followup, somehting happens and less then a minute after wards he askes whats the status?? i have told him i will tell you when something changes.... if i do not say anything nothing has changed and any number of calls and emails will not make it go any faster!

so me and my buddy are really hacked off, at the treatment the compnay gives us......

so is it wrong to be annoyed or are we simply spoiled brats?

/rant

Grim_Scythe
01-16-2008, 04:55 PM
I would say yes.

Plan a way have your supervisor disappear. :D

FozzyBear
01-16-2008, 05:16 PM
also during this week they told me and him that we have to be in on monday ( the federal holiday) to supervise the installation of this equipment, and that we will NOT be getting O/T for it because "we will not really be doing any work" instead we may get a few hours off some other time..or something.



This part strikes me as illegal. They have to pay you for the hours you are working. It may not be OT, but you should "at least" get your regular pay. Talk to the workforce commission or the department of labor. You need to find out what the laws are. I'm pretty sure an hourly employee working and NOT getting paid AT LEAST their hourly wage is illegal.




I would make sure you have another job lined up (or can live while you look for one), and then go above your supervisor and explain the situation. (I'm assuming you have talked to him about your disagreements, otherwise you need to talk to him first.)

Don't get all hot headed about it. Be the better man. Professionalism goes a LONG way. Have specific examples of work that he has taken credit for (he is allowed a little credit for supervising you...if you can call it that) I'm talking about things you or your bud did that he took 100% credit for.

Whatever you do, be courteous and polite. Whatever you do, don't bluff that you will do something (quit) if you aren't completely prepared to do it RIGHT THEN.

I'm not sure how pissed you are, but you need to nip it in the bud now. Not later. If you haven't talked to your supervisor, do that FIRST. After that work your way up till it is fixed or you have a new job.


The short answer to your question is, yes you should be annoyed.

-LiT- Killer_B
01-16-2008, 07:10 PM
Yes you should be annoyed...no you should not be surprised. WELCOME to corporate America. Someone above you will always take the credit, b/c they can and they same thing happens to them. You will never get out of the vicious circle unless either A) you work your way up to become one of those guys or B) you own your own business. So pull down your pants and be prepared to take it up the ass for another 35 years or so until you retire :)

papasan9
01-16-2008, 07:12 PM
its the opposite, you should get time and a half for the federal holiday.

Kegg
01-16-2008, 08:29 PM
I totally concur with Fozzy. As I tell my guys/gals, if you have a problem, see me, don't let it get under your skin. Its just going to cause more problems in the end.


This part strikes me as illegal. They have to pay you for the hours you are working. It may not be OT, but you should "at least" get your regular pay. Talk to the workforce commission or the department of labor. You need to find out what the laws are. I'm pretty sure an hourly employee working and NOT getting paid AT LEAST their hourly wage is illegal.




I would make sure you have another job lined up (or can live while you look for one), and then go above your supervisor and explain the situation. (I'm assuming you have talked to him about your disagreements, otherwise you need to talk to him first.)

Don't get all hot headed about it. Be the better man. Professionalism goes a LONG way. Have specific examples of work that he has taken credit for (he is allowed a little credit for supervising you...if you can call it that) I'm talking about things you or your bud did that he took 100% credit for.

Whatever you do, be courteous and polite. Whatever you do, don't bluff that you will do something (quit) if you aren't completely prepared to do it RIGHT THEN.

I'm not sure how pissed you are, but you need to nip it in the bud now. Not later. If you haven't talked to your supervisor, do that FIRST. After that work your way up till it is fixed or you have a new job.


The short answer to your question is, yes you should be annoyed.

Goldragon
01-17-2008, 02:45 AM
Are there any other helpdesk IT companies you could work for? This co. sounds like they are not exactly the best bet when it comes to employment, and you should by all means be getting better treatment. If I was in your shoes, I would be shopping around for other jobs (without telling management of course) and giving my 2 wks notice. There has to be something else available somewhere, especially with your amount of experience.

sir_digalot
01-17-2008, 08:15 AM
we are looking, alot of places say they cannot afford people like us, but we are looking...

kilroy0097
01-17-2008, 11:43 AM
Well I know how much someone like you would be paid here for a company doing roughly what you said you do. Which would be starting salary around $35,000 to $65,000 depending on if it's entry level or not, depending on how many people you deal with or the area you operate within and depending on the company. According to the cost of living index you should then be making roughly $43,000 to about $77,000 a year. So yea a raise of $1200 is nothing more than a hand shake or a cost of living increase if it's been a couple of years since getting the last one.

First thing I would go to Monster.com or other online resume sites and start putting out your resume and skill sheet. Then check what kind of employment laws they are not following. The OT thing. Because you are not salary you are hourly right. The home remote working is a bit of a problem as you shouldn't be doing it unless there is a way for them to track the number of hours you spend at home doing this. Basically as hourly employees you do way too much. For a salary employee I could see you doing all of that if the job description entails it. If it doesn't then that's another issue as it doesn't properly portray your duties and responsibilities and hence probably doesn't portray the correct position nor pay scale.

Though my view point is slightly skewed as I work for the State at an university and we do things much more bureaucratically than corporations.

Bottom line your supervisor sounds like a dick that doesn't pull his own weight in your area and you need to devise a sneaky plan in which he fails and there is absolutely no liability on you or your co-worker so he gets the blame soundly and by himself. If such a plan could be hatched.

Drayu
01-17-2008, 11:54 AM
Look into the education system, I know right now we are looking for an IT supervisor for our school district. Responsibilities are vast, but so is the pay!

sir_digalot
01-18-2008, 09:56 AM
the cps does higher people but htey are often ex-contract workers, hopefully my brother in law gets made permanent in his job working for them, he and his wife both work for the CPS and she is on lots of money as a district something database mapper (or something) he is desktop/helpdesk and gets alot more then i do for a job with less repsonsibility, i would love to get in there, i am thinking of going back contract to see if i can get into a larger and better corp then if i applied on my own ( sometimes it is easier to get in as a contractor then a fresh applicant because they will have seen how we work

Satanic
01-18-2008, 10:31 AM
yay capitalism.