COD4 feedback thread

[FozzyBear]

We REALLY REALLY need your feedback on the server here.

not saying the owners will change anything, just need to know where everyones position is.

Examples:

Do you like FF ON/OFF
Do you like kill cam ON/OFF
Do you want more modes of play (please specify)
Do you want a certain map more often / less often
ETC.....................


Please post any and ALL SUGGESTIONS, this is not limited to the examples.

We want you guys/gals to play on our server, and if you are going to another server we want to know why. And how we can make ours better for you.


Foz

[Lord ALF]

Note: this is not a rant thread on what you do or do not like about the game and/or server. just keep it on topic please in regards to changes to server/game-play.

-alf

[FozzyBear]

My preferences:

FF on (Hopefully everyone will watch their fire :) )
More game modes (and not the same map back to back, just in a different mode)
I don't want crosshairs indicating a hit through a wall (this may not be possible)



I like the hardcore mode. No mini-map and no crosshairs.

[Killerfurby6]

FF on
maybe sabotage, .... damn lets put all team modes on!!

[SoupyC]

FF ON, Kill Cam On, maybe some Team Deathmatch. :D

[CrazyCow222]

i like killcam on, helps get rid of campers and such

hardcore is good, maybe a little more modes in the rotation, no back to back maps

[Rajun Cajun]

-FF on is cool with me. I could go either way really.
-Kill Cam is good on. I'd like to think it some what discourages camping.
-I love having the server on Hardcore mode.
Game Modes:
-Add Domination
-I'm on the fence about Team Deathmatch. I have come to realize, the more I play it, it gets boring and people seem more inclined to camp...a lot.
Maps:
As long as Shipment stays out I'm cool with most of the maps really. I do hate Bloc but that's because the middle area sucks and a lot of people camp from building to building depending on what side the other team is on.

[[TLB]*xSnI(+)PeRx*]

get rid of downpour and overgrown, 2 shitty maps. ff on and more game modes maybe throw in a free for all in there

[Kriv]

FF off. Mostly because I am still getting use to the game and don't want to kill a team member.

I like the kill cam.

I can go either way on the others.

[LordBeer]

-I would like FF on but I do realize that it might cause some problems. Damage reflection might take of some of those problems quickly though. :dunno:
-I Like the Kill Cam. Less camping, less calls of cheating, and it is nice to know when I mess up.
-I kinda like the hit indicator but I'd be fine without it.
-Team Deathmatch is ok when there are a lot people on. When the numbers start dwindle though, I think it becomes a camp fest and gets boring/annoying.
-Headquarters is still bitchn' as is Hardcore mode.
-I would be interested in seeing how Domination and Sabotage modes would work out, but I have no interest in Free for All.

[SLCoran]

FF on.
Kill Cam off (We all suspected RussTime of hacks last night and kill cam didn't pick up anything, then he was mysteriously kicked from server)
Keep shipment out and the rest are fine, no back to back please.
Domination, sabotage, TDM, and I suppose Headquarters. <-----You guys seem to like that one, personally I don't.
Shorten Spawn times.
My 2 cents.

[SoupyC]

Yeah slightly shorter spawn times wouldn't hurt. Keeps the pace up.

[ICEPICK]

shorten spawn times

[antigen]

server name: jam some A's in there so it's at the top of the list.. maybe add some color ;)
FF: on with reflective damage
kill cam: on, discourages camping :)
hardcore: yes yes, and yes
maps: everything but shipment and maybe the boat one (turns into a nade fest.. FF on might take care of that)
modes: like em all, but for the purposes of the server, I'd like headquarters, TD, and domination
spawn time: ok.. maybe a little shorter? 5-7 seconds?
hit indicator: hell yes, I have bad aim to begin with!

oh... aaaannnddd... sabotage is fun :) voted some game in today and had fun... would love to see best 2 of 3 matches on the server if possible :)

(btw- learned how to spec last night.. join a side and don't pick a class, hit escape, click mouse to pick a player)

[Kitty]

We REALLY REALLY need your feedback on the server here.

not saying the owners will change anything, just need to know where everyones position is.

Examples:

Do you like FF ON/OFF
Do you like kill cam ON/OFF
Do you want more modes of play (please specify)
Do you want a certain map more often / less often
ETC.....................


Please post any and ALL SUGGESTIONS, this is not limited to the examples.

We want you guys/gals to play on our server, and if you are going to another server we want to know why. And how we can make ours better for you.


Foz

I would have to say I like FF off because i'd have been in a hell of a lot of trouble tonight with my Noob self and my NooB guns. :bolt: oopsy

I do like the kill cam atm because it lets me see what I did wrong.


Love the game!

[Dereks_06]

I think Kill cam should be off. War is Hell, and in war I don't your going to be able to zoomed in to the guy that killed you. I think it should be as real as possible. So FF on also, no hit detector, etc.

[antigen]

server name: jam some A's in there so it's at the top of the list.. maybe add some color ;)
FF: on with reflective damage
kill cam: on, discourages camping :)
hardcore: yes yes, and yes
maps: everything but shipment and maybe the boat one (turns into a nade fest.. FF on might take care of that)
modes: like em all, but for the purposes of the server, I'd like headquarters, TD, and domination
spawn time: ok.. maybe a little shorter? 5-7 seconds?
hit indicator: hell yes, I have bad aim to begin with!

oh... aaaannnddd... sabotage is fun :) voted some game in today and had fun... would love to see best 2 of 3 matches on the server if possible :)

(btw- learned how to spec last night.. join a side and don't pick a class, hit escape, click mouse to pick a player)

*edit* then again, I suppose you would have to monitor server usage... I could easily see sabotage making people leave when a lot of people are on. Tonight we played sabotage on crossfire with about 10 people per team.. let me say it was a pain in the butt! The bomb got absolutely nowhere for most of the round, and ended quickly during sudden death because a chopper was up. When less people are on, it's a blast.

[Nsane]

FF off
Hit indicator on
kill cam on

It would be nice, though probably not happening (nice to dream though), if we had the n00btube, claymores and RPGs disabled, that would rock, but sadly, probably not happening.

[FozzyBear]

I kind of liked that last night.

It was like a hard fought football game.


I really really wanted to sneak up behind Jimmy..... and he knows the rest :dgrin:

[Crotch-Rot]

We want to give you what you asked for but at the same time, keep it so that it's still fairly accessible for the general pubber to come play. If it we make it into a niche server, it will be hard to attract new players. So after reviewing your inputs and we made a compromise. The following changes are now in effect on the CoD4 server.

Request: Turn ON Friendly-Fire
Action: Friendly fire is turned on. Watch where you shoot.
Notes:
You will get a spawn delay of 20 secs if you tk. I'm not sure if this is added to your normal spawn time or is an absolute value.
Auto-kick after 10 TKs. I've set this high so that while we get used to it, we won't get auto-kicked all the time. I'll decrease this number as we get used to it.


Request: Turn OFF hit indicator
Action: Nothing yet.
Notes:I believe turning this off will make the server "modded" in which case, it will be unranked. So please provide more justifications for turning it off or leaving it on.

Request: Turn OFF Kill-Cam
Action: None
Notes:We strongly feel that having the Kill-Cam on is good. It forces the camper to move regularly. It also allows the victim to see/understand how he was spotted. This greatly reduces hacking accusations therefore reducing the admins' efforts to investigate potential hackers.

Request: Reduce Spawn Delay
Action: Nothing yet
Notes: Currently spawn delay in HQ mode is 60 secs (equals HQ destruction time). Changing this to something like 30 secs is doable but will affect gameplay of this mode. Please discuss further. We're listening.

Request: Add Domination Mode
Action: Domination maps added
Notes: Here is the map cycle. We've hit a programming limit in terms of max allowable map cycle. We can not add more maps. So if there's a map yo want, we'll have to replace something for it. Please make suggestions.

gametype koth map mp_vacant
gametype dom map mp_backlot
gametype koth map mp_crash
gametype war map mp_bloc
gametype koth map mp_strike
gametype dom map mp_farm
gametype war map mp_bog
gametype koth map mp_showdown
gametype war map mp_backlot
gametype dom map mp_crossfire
gametype war map mp_citystreets
gametype koth map mp_pipeline
gametype war map mp_convoy
gametype dom map mp_bog
gametype war map mp_countdown
gametype dom map mp_strike
gametype war map mp_crash
gametype koth map mp_farm
gametype dom map mp_bloc
gametype koth map mp_crossfire
gametype koth map mp_convoy
gametype dom map mp_overgrown
gametype koth map mp_citystreets
gametype war map mp_pipeline
gametype koth map mp_cargoship
gametype dom map mp_crash
gametype koth map mp_bog
gametype war map mp_showdown
gametype dom map mp_vacant
gametype war map mp_crossfire
gametype dom map mp_convoy
gametype war map mp_strike
gametype dom map mp_citystreets
gametype war map mp_farm
gametype dom map mp_cargoship

[SLCoran]

We want to give you what you asked for but at the same time, keep it so that it's still fairly accessible for the general pubber to come play. If it we make it into a niche server, it will be hard to attract new players. So after reviewing your inputs and we made a compromise. The following changes are now in effect on the CoD4 server.

Request: Turn ON Friendly-Fire
Action: Friendly fire is turned on. Watch where you shoot.
Notes:[LIST]
You will get a spawn delay of 20 secs if you tk. I'm not sure if this is added to your normal spawn time or is an absolute value.

Yes it does add to your spawn time. When you TK you get a cool down time then your actual spawn time.

[FozzyBear]

:woot:

Thanks CR!!

[Rajun Cajun]

Bog isn't exactly fun on Domination mode. Flag B is on the hill in the middle. Once one team gets this it usually sucks hard core for the other team. Since the map is relatively small and the spawn locations suck at the back sides of this map they get "trapped" in their spawn areas with two ways out. This goes for both OpFor and Marines. The OpFor back spawn has three spawn points all at the back. One way out (through the door) is easily guarded behind the bulldozer. The only other way out is the back way. It sucks if you're on the Marine side as well getting trapped behind the two concrete walls on the opposite side of the map.

Sorry Antigen (don't hate me :cheers:), I know you were pissed at me last night, but it wasn't cheap spawn killing I was doing. It was defending one way out while we controlled the point.

Bottom line...this map doesn't work so well for Domination.

My .02...anybody else?

[Crotch-Rot]

So remove Bog as DOM? Speak up if you guys agree.

Btw, I totally pulled the map rotation out of my ass when i was working on the server. The only thing I tried to do was not to put the same map next to each other. So if you want to try a mode out for a map, just let me know.

[Killerfurby6]

i agree with Rajun!! i realy like the map but on domination mode.... all you can do to win is hardcore spawncamp and it sucks for everyone which got spawncamped!! so i am up for not playing it in domination mode!!

[SLCoran]

Agreed but I think it might be fun on S&D mode, 1 life per round eliminates spawn camping.

[FozzyBear]

So remove Bog as DOM? Speak up if you guys agree.



agree

Agreed but I think it might be fun on S&D mode, 1 life per round eliminates spawn camping.

sounds good

[Nsane]

Sigh, I'm out, if you ever turn FF back off, let me know. With ff on there are too many claymores and campers I can't get back at for fear of tking.

[ICEPICK]

Sigh, I'm out, if you ever turn FF back off, let me know. With ff on there are too many claymores and campers I can't get back at for fear of tking.

What no way............. FF on is awesome........ The regulars know that most of the time its not intentional..... Nothing funnier than seeing Furby kill himself & 2 other teammates with a nade LOL

[antigen]

Sigh, I'm out, if you ever turn FF back off, let me know. With ff on there are too many claymores and campers I can't get back at for fear of tking.

Claymores don't respond to friendlies... and seriously, it's cool :)

Sure, you might gun someone down on your own team now and then, but it's not so bad.

[FozzyBear]

Sigh, I'm out, if you ever turn FF back off, let me know. With ff on there are too many claymores and campers I can't get back at for fear of tking.

I'm sorry Nsane.... but :lol:

It is more tactical...hence more technique required to win. ie.... you can't spam your f***ing nades anymore willy nilly. :)

Claymores are actually easier to spot.......... most of the time (damn furby!!) You use more stealth instead of run&gun, and you see the little red lines... :bolt:

Give it a chance. We still have the killcam on. So campers shouldn't be an issue. Now...if you are calling "defenders" campers, then I could see how you wouldn't like it. "Damnit run out all crazy like, so I can shoot you easier" :) If they are defending the point, that is kind of the objective of the game. :cheers:


Give it a chance. You may have to change your style of play, but you might find you enjoy them knife kills a little more now. :thumbsup:

[SLCoran]

Bomb Squad cover gaymores for Perk1, although it replaces the nades amount. Adjust the game style you are used to and you can join us with mucho fun homie.

[Rajun Cajun]

Bomb Squad cover gaymores for Perk1, although it replaces the nades amount. Adjust the game style you are used to and you can join us with mucho fun homie.

:plusone:

NSane aka Knifeman, you might just have to bring a gun to a gun fight man. :yaya:

[ResJudicata]

Nsane is Knifeman?

you bastard!

stop killing me!

tee hee

[antigen]

:plusone:

NSane aka Knifeman, you might just have to bring a gun to a gun fight man. :yaya:

I know.. since when would a guy who runs around with a knife be worried about friendly fire anyway?? It's not like he would accidentally knife a friendly.. the mo'fo is a freaking STALKER!!

And yes, domination on some maps is a pain in the butt.. ie: bog, vacant, and that one map with the two apartment blocks facing each other (statue in the middle, SAS vs. Spetz)

[Umpfu]

Hello all. Played last night on the the wih server. Just got call of duty this past weekend, and it is quite fun. Used to play on the BF2 server back in summer of 06 (that long already?!). Anyway, as usual, I had a great time playing with you folks. Look forward to more.

Umpfu

[Rajun Cajun]

Hello all. Played last night on the the wih server. Just got call of duty this past weekend, and it is quite fun. Used to play on the BF2 server back in summer of 06 (that long already?!). Anyway, as usual, I had a great time playing with you folks. Look forward to more.

Umpfu

Cool man...saw you on last night. Keep coming back. We need more regs. Join us on TS too...it's where the real fun happens!

[Lord ALF]

welcome back Umpfu.

-alf

[SLCoran]

Good to see you. I believe we meet on the field.

[Rajun Cajun]

Anybody interested in seeing a little S&D thrown in to the server mix?

I personally think it's a good change of pace. It's good to get away from the run & gun sometimes. It slows things down a bit and induces more tactical game play.

Anybody?

[SLCoran]

S&D on the smaller maps would be a good replacement for Domination.

[Rajun Cajun]

S&D on the smaller maps would be a good replacement for Domination.

Agreed....that would remove the damn middle "B" Capture point headache.

Good idea!

[Rajun Cajun]

This is what I came up with for maps that would be better as S&D as opposed to Dom. All of which the middle B point just flat out sucks.

Bloc
Bog
Showdown
Wetwork
Maybe even Countdown??

Just my .02.

I'll add that I like most of the maps in S&D anyway. In other words...I'd like to see all the maps as S&D.

[SLCoran]

I agree with Cajun.

[Crotch-Rot]

This is what I came up with for maps that would be better as S&D as opposed to Dom. All of which the middle B point just flat out sucks.

Bloc
Bog
Showdown
Wetwork
Maybe even Countdown??

Just my .02.

I'll add that I like most of the maps in S&D anyway. In other words...I'd like to see all the maps as S&D.


Replaced Bloc, bog DOM with SD.
Can't find wetwork as a valid map for some reason
Need to replace something with SD showdown bc of the max map limitation.

[Rajun Cajun]

Can't find wetwork as a valid map for some reason

Might be under cargoship.

PS...thanks for the changes. Hopefully some of these changes will start drawing in more regs.

[Rajun Cajun]

Has anyone been able to actually find the server in the server list? I haven't since the last patch so I have been connecting via IP.

[sandman21pre]

Now I have to find another server. damn

[FozzyBear]

Now I have to find another server. damn

Why?

Tell us what you would like to see. :thumbsup:

[Kernel Error]

Has anyone been able to actually find the server in the server list? I haven't since the last patch so I have been connecting via IP.

I havent found it in a while ... i had to add it by the IP also.

[Rajun Cajun]

I havent found it in a while ... i had to add it by the IP also.

Anybody else? Might be part of the problem with getting the server filled up.

[Crotch-Rot]

Anybody else? Might be part of the problem with getting the server filled up.

I'm not sure how to fix this problem. Originally, I thought it was bc the server config is setup to use cod2 master server. So I changed it to use cod4 master server, but still no luck. From what I've been told, it's a bug with their code, either server side or browser side.

[SoupyC]

Yeah, I can never find the server by name. I've always had to connect to it via manually entering the IP.

[Rajun Cajun]

I'm not sure how to fix this problem. Originally, I thought it was bc the server config is setup to use cod2 master server. So I changed it to use cod4 master server, but still no luck. From what I've been told, it's a bug with their code, either server side or browser side.

Complete BS. From what I have read on the forums lots of people are having this problem with no support from Activision or IW. Sounds like some people have had luck with getting it to display after hitting refresh 15 times or so and then BAM! it's there.

Mind if I pimp the server out on some of the CoD forums?

[redish16]

Pimp away. The whole idea with a server is having people play on it.

I have WiH in my favorites, its always there. But, like you said, never in the browser.

[SLCoran]

Getting the server listed in the Tracker server list would help as well.
http://cod4tracker.com

[Crotch-Rot]

Getting the server listed in the Tracker server list would help as well.
http://cod4tracker.com

It's totally on my todo list. I have to set up a new FTP account onto our box so that the tracker can ftp the game log file. Just haven't gotten around to doing this yet.

[Rajun Cajun]

So after about 12 refreshes I finally found the server and was able to add it to my favorites once again after losing them from patching to 1.4.

Each time I did a refresh the master server list grew in numbers. Evidence that it's obviously fuct!

[sandman21pre]

Why?

Tell us what you would like to see. :thumbsup:

The game is not as fun with FF on, it doesn't make it more tactical, it makes it more frustrating people don’t care or watch where they are going.

[FozzyBear]

though...most of the people on WiH understand FF happens.

You just say sorry a lot more.


I think you would really enjoy FF on... just give it a chance.

[Crotch-Rot]

yeah! I tk'd Fozzy once or twice bc he stood up right in front of my sights. And tk'd Snake once for freaking me out and I just unload on his face. :) Sorry guys... :)

[ICEPICK]

yeah! Snake once for freaking me out and I just unload on his face. :) Sorry guys... :)


Hmmm new definition of Facial ? LOL


Hey how about turning off Player Tags?
I have seen way too much of a tag popping up & the opposing player unloading before coming around a corner.

[Mad5cout]

Don't know whether these issues have been set in stone and this is a moot point but I thought I would put in my .02 now that I purchased the game.

I personally have enjoyed the Tactical Realism community for the COD games. They enforce more rules than typical servers which maybe not desireable for the admins. They generally mod out the games to create more realistic game play.

As such, I prefer FF=ON.

I prefer kill cam OFF. Camping is simply part of good defense. If a player has a spot that is tactically sound, I think it is lame to give away his/her position with a kill cam. Kill cams and respawns don't happen IRL, people just need to be more careful.

Hardcore mode ON takes care of a lot of the other issues.

There are three/four other things that the TR communities also do not allow that is rampant on the server. It is hard to stop these other than admin enforcement. Sometimes that mods help... Anyway, here they are:

No Run and Gun (RNG) = Running around like an idiot spraying without using sights. Typically, unless you are surprised and/or close quarters sights should come up everytime you shoot.

No Jump Shooting = You simply would not be able to take an aimed shot with a scope while jumping through the air. The game shouldn't allow this but it does. So, they kick people who do it.

No worming/dolphining/prone dropping = Meaning no shooting while moving to or from the prone position. This is simply unrealistic. You would more likely shoot yourself in the face than hit an enemy in attempting this IRL. Some mods actually pull the weapon up when someone goes to or from prone.

No bunny hopping = jumping to avoid fire.

The TR mods for this game are still in development and some of the stuff would just have to be rules that re enforced but.... meh. I guess I am a pureist. I can already tel most of this stuf is gonna get dumped.

If nothing else turn the stupid kill cam off. What is more lame? Someone camping a tactically sound defensive position or that person having a nade lobbed at them from halfway across the map because the person who was running like an idiot into their line of fire respawned and got to see the person who was actually playing realistically in a kill cam...

I'd take the campers any day.

[Mad5cout]

I'm not sure how to fix this problem. Originally, I thought it was bc the server config is setup to use cod2 master server. So I changed it to use cod4 master server, but still no luck. From what I've been told, it's a bug with their code, either server side or browser side.

FYI, sometimes this has nothing to do with the server or game code and is a punkbuster problem. Punkbuster is like the glitchiest anti-cheat software ever. You will have problems with it as long as you run a COD server.

Likewise on client side make sure the filters are set correctly to be able to see the server.

Some problems I've encountered with COD2. I set my filters to show punkbuster or non-punkbuster servers. Sometimes certain punkbuster servers don't show. If you don't have punkbuster turned on on the client side, some servers will not reveal themselves to you on your server list. There are a myriad of little wierd things like that.

Finally, sometimes you literally have to wait like 10 minutes for your server list to fully populate. Even when it looks lik it is done.

My suggestion.: fiddle with the filters settings to make sure they're correct. Turn punkbuster on (or verify that it is so). Refresh your server list. Go have a beer or something while that happens. When the server comes up, add it to your favorites and never refresh it again.

You can also join using the console /connect command...

[FozzyBear]

I still have to respectfully disagree with you on the Kill cam.

I do agree that it takes the realism out, but I think it adds more enjoyment than it takes out.

*It shows when you get TK'd that it was your dumb ass that ran in front while he was firing.
*It helps clarify BS shots/skill shots/hack shots. For both admins and players.
*Helps keep the server newbie friendly. Not everyone knows all the good spots.
*It helps eliminate the camping problem. (If you want to camp, find 2-4 good places and rotate through them after you get a few kills) You may be having fun, but odds are you are making the game very UNFUN for other players. We are about fun, not having a 20:1 ratio.

Everything else I pretty much agree with.

I do shoot from the hip VERY OFTEN. And I get lots of kills. I would like to think it takes at least a little bit of skill to do that consistently. Otherwise why would there be a perk help with it? I've been warned several times on other servers about not using my sights :dunno: But yes, I agree you should try and pull up your sights. I will work on this :)


Appreciate the feedback. Keep 'em coming. :thumbsup:

[Mad5cout]

*It shows when you get TK'd that it was your dumb ass that ran in front while he was firing.
*It helps clarify BS shots/skill shots/hack shots. For both admins and players.
*Helps keep the server newbie friendly. Not everyone knows all the good spots.
*It helps eliminate the camping problem. (If you want to camp, find 2-4 good places and rotate through them after you get a few kills) You may be having fun, but odds are you are making the game very UNFUN for other players. We are about fun, not having a 20:1 ratio.

To qualify/clarify:

I can understand the ease of moderating the server and realize this a viable reason to keep it on.

However, the TR mentality is not about the 20:1 K-D ratio. It is about team play and team wins. It is hard to set up a defensive perimeter with your team when every single time you get a kill you have to displace to avoid nade spam (or now being shot through walls) because someone respawns and knows exactly where you are.

I think it depends on what you take pleasure in. I find it more rewarding to think about what I am doing while playing. The people who get hosed by players in "good spots" and need the kill cam are usually the ones running and gunning not thinking about how they are exposing themselves to fire and are not moving tactically from one place to the next.

Finally, IMHO, defending is NOT camping. Camping is when you choose to ignore a game objective and sit in one place to rack up kills. These are very different things. The kill cam obliterates both camping and effective defensive tactics. I value defensive tactics over nailing campers. Just a personal opinion.

[FozzyBear]

Camping is when you choose to ignore a game objective and sit in one place to rack up kills. These are very different things. The kill cam obliterates both camping and effective defensive tactics. I value defensive tactics over nailing campers. Just a personal opinion.

I see your point. And that is probably the best definition I've seen yet.

I'm not sure what the direction the owner's want to take. Have a strict TR server. Have a loose TR server. Or maybe something completely different.

We have lots of fans the Hardcore mode, and I like to think that for a hardcore server we are still pretty noobie friendly...for a server that has quasi-realistic settings.

[Rajun Cajun]

We have lots of fans the Hardcore mode, and I like to think that for a hardcore server we are still pretty noobie friendly...

YES!

I have been on these "reality" servers and from what it looks like to me it would be an admin nightmare. From two angles really. 1) There is the guy that just flat out doesn't follow the rules that are scrolling through as an auto console messages and 2) there are the people constantly crying over claims of someone else not following the rules. The three servers I have been in all were the same. Good rules in place, but an absolute headache to be there for the two reasons I mentioned above. While I liked the rules these servers had in place the owners/admins of the servers did nothing but babysit the server the entire time. They were constantly dishing out warnings and temp bans and/or kicks without the ability to enjoy the game and play.

Like I said, I liked the rules, just seems like A LOT of work. Guess it depends really on how you set it up and how strict you want to be.

[Mad5cout]

I do think you guys have a valid point here. Don't get me wrong running a TR server can be pretty admin intensive.

However, keep in mind a well constructed TR mod helps a ton. Some of the stuff I was talking about can be built into the mod. For example worming can be eliminated completely with a mod that pulls the gun and hud up when someone goes to or from prone. Boom. Nothing to moderate. You can do the same thing with jumping but I think the code is a little more difficult...

The biggest pain is the Run and Gun. The server I play on is generally loose about it. If you make a kill without your sights big deal. If you are running around the map not once pulling your sights up and generally being unrealistic in how you play and shooting everything that moves, you get the boot.

Anyway, the main thing I am pushing for here is the elimination of the kill cam. Campers are easy to find because people can see them in spec when they die. In terms of the kill cam eliminating problems with BS shots and tk accusations, I think it causes just as many problems as it solves. For every kill or accident the kill cam validates, it will cause and arguement somewhere else. Someone will see how they were killed and think it was BS rather than just accepting it as a death from someone they didn't see or whatever. If they were tked they will see that the guy who killed them had enough time to react or really should have noticed it was a teammate and shot anyway...etc, etc. In my experience, it causes just as many problems as it solves.

[SLCoran]

More then half the time the cross hairs on someones shot doesn't line up with the kill which calls into play BS shots anyway. I personally like hunting down that bastage that killed me even if he gets me a couple times, it makes it all the more satisfying when I head shot him.

[sandman21pre]

I tired it don’t like it. But I can deal with it once in awhile. However you guys go to TR mod I will never try it, I remember when the TR came out for COD2, after giving it a try I wont go back. I am tired of people trying to change a game because it is unrealistic, you are playing a videogame, it will never be realistic get used to it. Stop trying to change the game it is extremely fun as is. People who complain about others RNG just suck and are tried of getting killed so they simply whine about it. I am not a fan of hardcore mode but I will try to populate the server.

[FozzyBear]

+ about hardcore.

+ you shoot them they die..most of the time. If no, shoot them again.


- about hardcore

- you actually have to aim at the person your shooting..... not really a neg, but I needed something.

[antigen]

+ about hardcore.

+ you shoot them they die..most of the time. If no, shoot them again.


- about hardcore

- you actually have to aim at the person your shooting..... not really a neg, but I needed something.

Instructions for enemy death:

Step 1: Apply bullet.
Step 2: If enemy does not respond, reapply bullet.

[SoupyC]

Instructions for enemy death:

Step 1: Apply bullet.
Step 2: If enemy does not respond, reapply bullet.

:melikey: :clap:

[SGTDUNK]

I love the FF on and the kill cam, once again on discouraging campers and cheaters. But I just replayed the game again(never gets to old), and I still can't figure out why the rest of the maps arnt played. Such as the underground bunker, and more night missions.

[Mad5cout]

I love the FF on and the kill cam, once again on discouraging campers and cheaters. But I just replayed the game again(never gets to old), and I still can't figure out why the rest of the maps arnt played. Such as the underground bunker, and more night missions.

No that the mod tools are out this will change. Expect MANY custom maps very soon.

I can tell I am running up a slippery slope on the kill cam. Too bad...

Have you guys even TRIED to play it without it on?!

Suggestion: Turn the kill cam off for one week and see if you have the same opinion afterward.

[PoPJaY]

ehh the kill cam is olny useful when some one gets a complete BS shot on you

and u wanna know how

other than that i just skip it

[antigen]

No that the mod tools are out this will change. Expect MANY custom maps very soon.

I can tell I am running up a slippery slope on the kill cam. Too bad...

Have you guys even TRIED to play it without it on?!

Suggestion: Turn the kill cam off for one week and see if you have the same opinion afterward.

Alot of us play on the deadbone platoon hardcore server when nobody is on TS or the wih server.. they don't have it on.. and I'm dying (literally) to know where I'm getting shot from!!

[Tigiot]

I think the kill cam helps to increase your skill, it enables you to see other ways people play and teaches you where to be more cautious and where you're overly cautious and trap yourself. Though I am a bit undecided on this from the little discussion I read on page 7, I understand both views and I agree with both. I am that RNG type person where I just run around looking for someone because of my impatience and when I do decide to "defend" then I get taken out because of the kill cam.

I think the hit recognition saves the map from dragging on too long because when you're utterly lost to as where someone is you can "test" your shots and reset the round (in a manner of speaking).

FF=ON and Hardcore are a must IMHO.

S&D is a fun gamemode and is excellent on wetwork, bog, bloc, and crossfire(I think that's the hanger one).

I think TD should be lowered in the number of maps it's on because most of us here at WiH like to have the objective to play for.

Don't forget people, we can always vote in other gamemodes and maps.

I think I had more but I can't remember...

[FozzyBear]

I think TD should be lowered in the number of maps it's on because most of us here at WiH like to have the objective to play for.




I agree. Too much TeamDeathmatch. Anyone else??


I also liked the "football" mode. Sabotage?? Briefcase in the middle, both teams rush for it. Goal is to plant it on the other side.

[SLCoran]

TD fills the server more then any of the others.

[Saur]

I love the carnage!!!

<3 Saur

[FozzyBear]

Guess I'm one of the few that like objectives :) ......or maybe I just like to know where everyone is going to be heading :yaya:

[redish16]

Just so you know where to pitch your tent.

[Killerdraft]

I agree. Too much TeamDeathmatch. Anyone else??


I also liked the "football" mode. Sabotage?? Briefcase in the middle, both teams rush for it. Goal is to plant it on the other side.

I agree with Fozzy, i personally think we should have more search and destroy and domination maps. The rounds go much faster its alot more tactical instead of just running and gunning. About the kill cam maybe we should try a couple of day without it. As an ex ghost recon, rainbow six and a slipping away bf2 player. Being in a situation where u get shot not knowing where the person makes you alot more cautious of your surroundings. You take the extra split second to look before you cross between buildings and even take your time when clearing a room. With the kill cam on if i get killed i know exactly where to shoot or nade even if i dont see them directly, which imo is just as bad as wallhacking. I'm not saying to totally revamp the server ... but just to test it out to see how it goes.

[LordBeer]

I like Team Deathmatch when there are a lot of people on the server. If you only have 10 people on... I really dislike it. Too much camping. :dunno: Although if there are that few people on then it is rather easy to get a vote passed and change it to a more exciting map.

I love Sabotage mode, but a few of the maps are TERRIBLE for it. I'll have to take notes in the future

Search & Destroy is starting to grow on me. Just have to remind everyone the server NOT to die. :hehehe:

[antigen]

Just so you know where to pitch your tent.

I just thought I'd point something out, because I, the anti-camper, am accused of camping (cough.. JIMMY.. cough).

COD4 has awesome sound. You can hear people walking, you can hear people jumping down from high spots, you can hear the jingle of grenade pins as you slide over a concrete barrier... all of this means I can hear you coming.

And when I hear you.. I will stop.. and lie in wait.

I will be very patient too.. concentrating on every footstep you take, every crunch that the leaves make as you trample over them.

And when you least expect it, I will shoot you in the back, or jab my knife deep into your spine... because you were too damn noisy.

Just a thought...


See you on the battlefield :thumbsup:


(oh yes, and I have been known to camp from time to time.. MUAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!)

[SLCoran]

G-# Red Tiger last night....muhahahahah!
M-16 to go for the gold AK-47.

[Rajun Cajun]

At this point I'd be willing to try anything as long as the server is populated during my play time. Most times when I get on, 10:30 CST, the server is empty or darn close to it. I can only do so many rounds of 3 v 3 or 2 v 2 before I'm ready to really start playing.

[Rajun Cajun]

G-# Red Tiger last night....muhahahahah!
M-16 to go for the gold AK-47.

NICE...the larger more open maps are really good for the M16 and I actually really like using it. You shouldn't have a hard time getting it. Just be prepared if you get in to a CQB situation. The M16 fails there.

[SLCoran]

NICE...the larger more open maps are really good for the M16 and I actually really like using it. You shouldn't have a hard time getting it. Just be prepared if you get in to a CQB situation. The M16 fails there.

I've noticed that I need to be a little more actuate like using a single shot w/o rapid fire, even with dbl tap because it doesn't recover fast enough for the next spam of the trigger.

[Lord ALF]

I've noticed that I need to be a little more actuate like using a single shot w/o rapid fire, even with dbl tap because it doesn't recover fast enough for the next spam of the trigger.

the M16A4 is my lil baby... love that rifle. if i'm having a bad map, i change class to my M16 and the world is a better place.

:D

-alf

[redish16]

MP44 to the face in short bursts ftw !

[LordBeer]

MP44 to the face in short bursts ftw !

Nazi rifle works from anywhere on the map!

[Kegg]

Nazi rifle works from anywhere on the map!

A brit using a nazi rifle...what is this world coming to ...hey Sean

[LordBeer]

Walther PPK was a Nazi gun to. Hitler had one that he used to shoot himself. :yaya:

[SLCoran]

Game crashed and I lost my Golden AK-47:wallbash:

[FozzyBear]

Game crashed and I lost my Golden AK-47:wallbash:


Reminds me to back up my profile again :bolt:

[sumdumgai]

I've still got a ways to go before I can try out certain weapons. I find this to be a lot tougher than insurgency. I like it. :)

[LordBeer]

Free for All on Shipment. RPG's and knives ONLY! :ban_dance01:

[sumdumgai]

Oh man tonight (as in friday night/saturday morning), we had some knife fights, some C4 and knife fights, and some RPG and knife fights. It was awesome!

[CrazyCow222]

haha the demo only rounds were great... i wish i coulda stayed longer... =(

[FozzyBear]

hella fun tonight.

we started with 3 guys, and literally within 20 minutes we had almost 2q0.


Just get the server started....it will populate. :thumbsup:

[SLCoran]

Please add a few more TDM maps into the rotation. There are a ton of objective maps and I think we have played most of them out. A couple Sabotage maps would fun to and maybe even Shipment with Free for All.

[Rajun Cajun]

Please add a few more TDM maps into the rotation. There are a ton of objective maps and I think we have played most of them out. A couple Sabotage maps would fun to and maybe even Shipment with Free for All.

Ditto on all three of those. Shipment FFA is totally pointless, but I still love it for mindless fun.

Also, if you would throw out all of the Domination ones I wouldn't be upset with that at all. I used to like it, but every round now ends up being the same since people have learned how to rap the other team. Team takes over their closest point, then the middle point, then proceeds to camp the other teams only point without trying to take it. It would be different if the spawn system worked a little better, but it continues to spawn you where you continue to get raped. I'm at the point now where I will just go on spectate until the map is over.

My $.02 and a bag of chips.

[Crotch-Rot]

Can you guys give some map names and type of what you want in and what you want removed? It'll make my job much easier since I haven't played on most of the maps.

[LordBeer]

I will write down some of the map names tonight. As often as I play, I only know a few map names off the top of my head. Bad me..

[Kitty]

I liked these maps:

village_night was very fun (even better on a full server)

containerpark (Was fun only on TDM when not many people were on the server)

Car Park (was neat the way you go in and out of the light/dark)

Subway

Hidden, also a night map

Just a few I played and Liked.. To be honest, I don't know if anyone else would care for them. It's hard to please the masses all at the same time
(If you have custom maps you need to run a mod, which will remove game ranks.)
But, I'm sure you know that. :)

[SLCoran]

Ambush - Sabotage, TDM, and not Domination.
Backlot - Sabotage, TDM, HQ.
Bloc - Sab, HQ, S&D.
Bog - Sab, HQ, FFA
Countdown - TDM, Sab, HQ
Crash - TDM, Sab, HQ, Dom
Crossfire - TDM, HQ, Sab
District - TDM, HQ
Downpour - Not for me.
Overgrown - TDM, Dom, HQ
Pipeline - TDM, HQ, Sab
Shipment - FFA
Strike - TDM, HQ, Dom
Showdown - TDM, FFA, HQ
Vacant - TDM, HQ, Dom
Wetwork - TDM, S&D, HQ

[Killerfurby6]

i think 1 mode per map is enough!! if more than one wants to play a map on a different game mode they can start a vote!!
i am sorry coran but i think its not a good idea to add shipment to the rotation and i also dont like to see FFA added!! (we can better vote it in sometimes)

i am not sure about the rest but:
Countdown should stay TDM
Wetwork should be TDM or S&D
Bloc should stay S&D
and Bog S&D!!
i also think we should run first TDM, than DOM,HQ, S&D and start with the next TDM map and...(to play one gamemode after another)
just my 2 cent

[FozzyBear]

Ambush - Sabotage, TDM, and not Domination.
Backlot - Sabotage, TDM, HQ.
Bloc - Sab, HQ, S&D.
Bog - Sab, HQ, FFA
Countdown - TDM, Sab, HQ
Crash - TDM, Sab, HQ, Dom
Crossfire - TDM, HQ, Sab
District - TDM, HQ
Downpour - Not for me.
Overgrown - TDM, Dom, HQ
Pipeline - TDM, HQ, Sab
Shipment - FFA
Strike - TDM, HQ, Dom
Showdown - TDM, FFA, HQ
Vacant - TDM, HQ, Dom
Wetwork - TDM, S&D, HQ


Which mode would you MOST like to see on specific maps?

I appreciate you gave us multiple choices, but if we mixed all those up we have a 40+ map/mode rotation.




For my own 2 cents. I like Downpour, on some modes. And Shipment should only be a voteable map (It is a fun server starter map)

[SLCoran]

I knew people would finally post about this if I put in the names of the maps and what I thought would be good for that map. The current rotation is stale to me with mostly Domination and Headquarters. Take some of these out and lets replace them with Football (Sabotage), we all seem to have a good time with that so why not? Dom & HQ don't really bring in randoms to help fill the server, Wetworks kills the server as was the case last night, and the only time it seems to fill up is when all the regs are on during a Fri and Sat night and for those of us that play during the week 4-5 people playing is kinda fun but more is always better. Put it to a vote for which maps get what for all I car, lets just try to make a change and here are all the map name in 1 section.

[Rajun Cajun]

Anything to get the server full and stay full would be great. I can only do so many rounds of 2v2 before I head off to other servers that are always full. The server empties when the regs leave every night. After about 11:00pm CST, when there are 3 of us left, I have to leave to play on other servers that are full.:thumbsdown:

Like I said before...remove all the Domination ones. I agree with what Coran said as well, HQ is getting pretty boring too. If we get an itch, vote one in during gameplay. My vote would be to make everything Sabotage and TDM for all maps. I guess remove the ones that people don't seem to like (i.e. Wetworks (Cargoship) and Shipment). Again, these can be voted in at any time during gameplay.

PS...any word on getting the server set up through cod4tracker yet??:bolt::deadhorse2:

[loopcycle]

way late to this party, but ive been playing a bit this weekend.
i have to say that sabotage is the most fun mode because it is so dynamic.
i hate deathmatch. and i hate sniper maps :)

[Rajun Cajun]

Could we consider removing the following maps in Domination mode? I can't remember if the server actually has all of these or not, but these are the ones that cause the most headaches. One team captures either their "A" or "C" point, depending on the side your on, then proceeds to capture "B" point. The opposing team 95% of the time gets locked down in their back spawn area unable to move out of it and advance to even attempt to take either "B" or the back one. While the dominating team is defending "B" they almost never attempt to move in to capture the final point because it's to easy to defend "B" with only a couple ways out. Creates a nightmare for the other team.
Ambush
Bloc
Bog
Countdown
Showdown
Vacant
Wet Work

Anybody else feel the same way?

[Crotch-Rot]

I was going to remove Downpour Domination as well. Every time that map comes up, there's a vote to go to a new map.

[Rajun Cajun]

I was going to remove Downpour Domination as well. Every time that map comes up, there's a vote to go to a new map.

Agreed, I missed that one. It's another one with a bad "B" point. Possibly the worst one of them all.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3527/downpourmpfarmmk5.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3527/downpourmpfarmmk5.edc4187522.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=508&i=downpourmpfarmmk5.png)

[LordBeer]

I think Backlot on Domination is worse. If one team gets pushed back into C, it just becomes a total slaughter. The team will get out eventually but nobody deserves to get beat up that badly. It's just terrible.

[Nsane]

I think Backlot on Domination is worse. If one team gets pushed back into C, it just becomes a total slaughter. The team will get out eventually but nobody deserves to get beat up that badly. It's just terrible.
That and Wetwork domination. UGH!!

[Killerdraft]

Agreed, I missed that one. It's another one with a bad "B" point. Possibly the worst one of them all.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3527/downpourmpfarmmk5.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3527/downpourmpfarmmk5.edc4187522.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=508&i=downpourmpfarmmk5.png)

Its true thats why whenever im playing the team im on. I always prioritize on securing b, and my team mates cap a and try to take c or c to a

[loopcycle]

ok, changed my mind about TDM. its kinda fun.

however, i cant stand these maps for any gametype:

Showdown <-- this one in particular.
Crossfire

[[W33T] Joker]

Got CoD 4..Played Single Player was interesting.

Best part: Sniper shooting, AC-130 gunship shooting, and some fun mission..like it.

Hate those dam k9 coming at me...now i just need to figure out..how to improve on this lag issue for multiplayer..

[sumdumgai]

That was weird how high your ping was. I suffer less lag with most of the graphics turned down to minimum. It still looks great.
You might want to switch your knife button to your middle mouse key. It makes it a lot easier than reaching over with your finger to hit V. :P

Try out the RPG in multi. With the "Sonic Boom" perk, it'll hit in a larger radius. Otherwise for quick reloads, use "sleight of hand" (all around good, especially for shotguns and mgs).

[Uncle_Ho]

Got my Cod4 and installed it. Got patches and installed them. Went to the WiH server after playing off line to get the hang of the game. Got to watch myself die 23 times in a row on Kill Cam.

Spawn-Die-Spawn-Die-Spawn-Die

Reminds me of BF2 when it first came out.

I did cause one kill. One of the W33T guys that was killing me over and over and over tripped over my body and sprained his ankle, when he got up some one shot him. I got to watch it on the Kill Cam of my death it was the highlight of my game :bolt:

[SnaKe]

I feel your pain Ho!! I love CoD4, I just suck at for some reason!

[Uncle_Ho]

It's an old thing I think..........................Or maybe it's because I play to sober I don't know.

[SLCoran]

Domination = Noob Tube. Suckiest mode ever and too many of them to boot. Please get rid of some or all would be great.

[Nsane]

Domination = Suckiest mode ever
Fixed for truth! I concur, domination needs to be taken out.

[sumdumgai]

Domination every once in a while wouldn't be so bad, just so the other game modes don't get stale. But having it as often as it is, I'm breaking out either the noob tube or the pro tube when it comes on.

[Rajun Cajun]

I've said it once and I'll say it again...Domination is bad on the majority of the maps. On the maps where it's bad one team always captures 2 points while the other team gets stuck in their spawn at the one point they control. The team with 2 points spawn rapes the other team while not ever going for the capture of the final point. Easy points for one team...extreme frustration for the other.

:bolt:

[Uncle_Ho]

It's only rape if you say no!

But it is irritating.

We need bigger maps, that would solve the problem. Any one heard any word on new maps coming?

[Rajun Cajun]

MORE...

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4408/beastieboyssabotage3521dk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4408/beastieboyssabotage3521dk0.e0ab50e628.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=255&i=beastieboyssabotage3521dk0.jpg)

[FozzyBear]

FOOTBALL!!!!!

:woot:

[Rajun Cajun]

Can we revisit the rotation again? At least removing all of the Domination ones. 90% of the time any Domination map that comes up gets voted out. Not to mention the constant map votes are getting annoying and causing non-regs to leave all the time.

[JustMeBF2]

Not to mention the constant map votes are getting annoying and causing non-regs to leave all the time.


:minigun::minigun::minigun::minigun:

[Nsane]

Can we revisit the rotation again? At least removing all of the Domination ones.
Don't forget search and destroy.

[sumdumgai]

Even when we don't vote off domination, we lose some people when it starts becoming a rape-fest (and domination always becomes that).

I second taking off search and destroy.

If we all feel in the mood to play domination or search and destroy we can vote it in, just like shipment, bloc, or the missile site map.

[Killerdraft]

Disabling map voting is useless because i personally seen for example. Map overgrown is playing tdm and id hear, oh no not this map. And a vote was started ... it was 2-12 in favor of staying in tdm on overgrown then all of a sudden the vote passed. Alot of the maps i hate playing on especially wet work but instead of voting it off i just tough it out as another map.

[Uncle_Ho]

How Bout Killhouse, middle fingers only, 24/7 ?:minigun:

[JustMeBF2]

A lot of the maps i hate playing on especially wet work but instead of voting it off i just tough it out as another map.


:melikey:

I always vote no unless there is four or less players on the server.

[Phyxius]

Alot of the maps i hate playing on especially wet work but instead of voting it off i just tough it out as another map.

Good point Jack!

Some people like some maps more than others. I like all of them and I will play all of them b/c my WiH buddies like some maps I dont and vice versa, but we play through them to keep the game going.

See, quitting a map because you dont like it is like saying "fine, if we cant do it my way, I'm takin my toys and going home"
You take the game experience away from all the others that enjoy the map by being one less person to play. Totally selfish attitude.

Why would you do that to your friends? They may might have played a map that you liked and they didnt.

As stated in the above quote... Tough it out until the next map. Its not going to kill you and your mates will appreciate it.

My 2 cents..

:rant:

[Rajun Cajun]

The maps don't seem to ever be the problem...it's mainly the domination game mode that's increasingly becoming a server killer for non-regulars. The mode accompanied by the constant map votes to not play domination is what seems to be the problem.

[Phyxius]

Map, game type, whatever... The same still holds true.. I play with my friends and I enjoy their company. When one says "I'll be back when this map is over", thats just selfish. Maybe if the regulars wouldn't leave, the non-regs would stick around.

Take the good with the bad. Every game has a flaw in each persons own eyes. We press on and play anyway, at least some of us do. :dunno:

[Uncle_Ho]

Domination Sucks

If I want to play domination I will go find a chick in a leather suit and have her :spank:me.

I don't like it. HQ, TDM, FFA Are my favorites. And from the look of it, most everyone else. But I will play the domination maps when they come up, except Kill House. I Hate that one.

[Killerfurby6]

i like domination... not every second map but i like it!! maybe we should remove some of them!!
the one thing i don't like is when people call in one mapvote after another,just because they don't like the map that is running!! oh.. wait i forgot i also don't like it when people call in mapvotes in the middle of a round, just because they suck at that round!! and i think that is the reason non regs leave, because they don't like servers where people call in 5 or more mapvotes in one round!!
so maybe we should just get rid of the mapvotes :D
my 2 cents

[Nsane]

I leave because I know that I'll probably get on everyone's nerves by complaining. So I call a vote at the start of the map and if it doesn't pass I step out until that horribly unbalanced game mode is over with.

[sumdumgai]

I play through even when I don't like the map or game mode, though when it's a map or mode I dislike I stop limiting myself on my kit so I can try to enjoy the round somewhat. ;)

In Nsane's defense, we have convinced him to play domination maps from time to time and he's played through to the end.

It is my observation that the server fills up the most with free-for-all on.

[Killerfurby6]

I leave because I know that I'll probably get on everyone's nerves by complaining. So I call a vote at the start of the map and if it doesn't pass I step out until that horribly unbalanced game mode is over with.
nsane i didn't mean you with my post!!
it was more in general... we have a lot of people doing that!!

[Killerdraft]

Nsane does play domination and uses the tube and kills the sheit out of me.:spank: I love all game modes but some maps i play 50/50 ill either be 40-10 or 1-25 :wallbash:

[Nsane]

nsane i didn't mean you with my post!!
it was more in general... we have a lot of people doing that!!
I know, but I was explaining myself.

[antigen]

No more map votes.

At first, it was a great option.

In my opinion however, people are abusing it.

The best thing to do at this point, is to get a really great map rotation going, and kill the voting. It's a server with great admins, not a democracy. If someone needs to be kicked, it's easy to find an admin. But the nonsense of calling map votes when you happen to come into a loosing game and vote the map out 14 seconds before the round ends really sucks.

That's my two cents... behave yourself kids!!!

[Nsane]

No more map votes.

At first, it was a great option.

In my opinion however, people are abusing it.

The best thing to do at this point, is to get a really great map rotation going, and kill the voting. It's a server with great admins, not a democracy. If someone needs to be kicked, it's easy to find an admin. But the nonsense of calling map votes when you happen to come into a loosing game and vote the map out 14 seconds before the round ends really sucks.

That's my two cents... behave yourself kids!!!

I have to disagree. Voting in maps is awesome, I wish we had the option when we were still playing CS:S. Also, it SHOULD be a democracy, if the majority of the people want to change the map, why not let them? The reason people call votemaps near the very end is to make sure that the map they want is next.

[Uncle_Ho]

Map voting is like anything else, If you do it constantly it's a BAD thing. I was in game the other day and we had 6 map votes in a row. By the time it was over, the game that started with 14 players had 5 left. Over Voting will empty a server quickly. If it happens all the time then people will play elsewhere and this will become one of the many servers that is empty the majority of the time.

I agree, map vote is a good thing considering the current map rotation and most peoples dislike of DOMINATION:spank:. But maybe we need some guidelines or server rules that discourage the constant changing. Nothing sucks worse than having only a few hours a night to play and most of that time is spent changing maps.

[Killerdraft]

Map voting is like anything else, If you do it constantly it's a BAD thing. I was in game the other day and we had 6 map votes in a row. By the time it was over, the game that started with 14 players had 5 left. Over Voting will empty a server quickly. If it happens all the time then people will play elsewhere and this will become one of the many servers that is empty the majority of the time.

I agree, map vote is a good thing considering the current map rotation and most peoples dislike of DOMINATION:spank:. But maybe we need some guidelines or server rules that discourage the constant changing. Nothing sucks worse than having only a few hours a night to play and most of that time is spent changing maps.


You got my vote Ho

[Phyxius]

I personally only call a vote when there are just a few of us on.. we play small maps, pistols only.. alot of fun!

As far as map voting constantly.. I say if the server is populated, leave the rotation. If there are non-regs on and they connect to the next map, leave it. No matter what it is or how many of you hate it.. suck it up, bear down and play the map... as I stated before.. it wont kill you to play a map or game type you dont like for 15- 20 minutes ... try a new gun, go around and try to knife people .. somehow, you can make some fun out of it.

I still say lose the kill cam.... :jerkit:

kill cam :piss:

my 2 cents!

[Killerdraft]

I personally only call a vote when there are just a few of us on.. we play small maps, pistols only.. alot of fun!

As far as map voting constantly.. I say if the server is populated, leave the rotation. If there are non-regs on and they connect to the next map, leave it. No matter what it is or how many of you hate it.. suck it up, bear down and play the map... as I stated before.. it wont kill you to play a map or game type you dont like for 15- 20 minutes ... try a new gun, go around and try to knife people .. somehow, you can make some fun out of it.

I still say lose the kill cam.... :jerkit:

kill cam :piss:

my 2 cents!

Phyx also got my vote, if you look at the servers that are almost always populated 24/7 they have the same maps we do but

1. They don't have kill cam
2. Voting has been disabled <- i Say give some flex with voting since its mainly us who play together and admins are amongst us.
3. Search and destroy scoring is as follows ... 3 rounds marines 3 rounds Russians if a stalemate then sudden death.

I strongly agree with taking off kill cam, please dont bullshit me but when we used to whore Battlefield 2 Counter Strike and other games it was never a problem. But it seems that since this game has the option to have kill cam people use it as an excuse to cry about how they get killed. And 99.9% of the times they say "oh" he did see me. So the whole witch hunting to see who is cheating has been useless for what like 8 months? At times i admit i get pissed off from getting kill cam killed. But on the flip side i use the same kill cam to rape the rest of the opposing team. :bowtome:

[antigen]

Hey, don't get me wrong, voting is great... but what happened yesterday was total BS.

Someone who shall remain un-named (you know who you are), came into the round with 3 minutes left. Instead of slogging it out like the rest of us had been, that person decided they weren't playing their best, and voted the map out with 14 seconds left. Of course the loosing team is going to vote the map out, but COME ON, that was RIDICULOUS!! It killed the fun of the game, it frustrated quite a few people who left soon thereafter, and I decided that was it for the night.

FFS PEOPLE!!

[Uncle_Ho]

I agree with loosing the kill cam, only because after several humiliating kills in a row it only serves to piss me off.

[JustMeBF2]

I always vote no unless there is 4 or less players in the server and we are all on TS..

I have preferred game modes and maps but I just want to play and have fun.
The other night I went 1 on 2 on domination. I thought I might lose LOL.
So my strategy was to get a 1:1 K/D ratio and have fun.

The funniest/most tragic thing I have seen so far on the server is the map vote being done 3 and 4 times in a row with comments in TS like it will pass sooner or later.

Sometimes TS reminds me of the youtube angry german kid.

[sumdumgai]

When we have enough people on the server, we have to play football(sabotage) at least once. :D

[Rajun Cajun]

Simple fix...get a better rotation put together. One that everyone here chimes in on to get the best one WE all want. We tried this before and only 6 or so people voted.

The constant votes are annoying. As Ho said, I only have a couple hours or so each night to get in some game time and I don't want to spend it loading maps. 4 or 5 people on...go ahead and vote in FFA Shipment or what ever, otherwise suck it up and deal.

[Killerdraft]

1. Bang out 10 maps we really like ... maps we dont really favor could be added in votes we agree on in ts
2. 3-1-1-1 Game mode Settings = TDM-Dom-S&D-Sabo
3. Kill kill cam
4. In search and destroy, 3 rounds marines 3 rounds spetz and if stalemate goto sudden death
5. FFA should be out of the rotation and be voted in.


My list of maps id say to put in any order would be

Ambush
Backlot
Bloc
Bog
Crash
Crossfire
District
Overgrown
Strike
Vacant

TDM - Any of the above maps
Domination - Ambush, Crossfire, District, Overgrown, Strike
Search and Destroy - Bog, Overgrown, Strike, Vacant, Crossfire
Sabotage - Bog and Crossfire ... nuff said

Like for me the rotation would be like

Backlot - TDM
Bloc - TDM
Crash - TDM
Overgrown - Domination
Vacant - Search and Destroy
Crossfire - Sabotage

That would be the end of one rotation ...

Next rotation would be

District- TDM
Ambush - TDM
Backlot - TDM
Strike - Domination
Overgrown - Search and Destroy
Bog - Sabotage

Etc... i didnt add in the new maps because in my personal opinion ...
Killhouse - Nade Tube madhouse
Chinatown - Not really appealing
Big forest map - Need the right amount to be fun, too much is a bother but low numbers voting in is beautiful with snipers only etc.


Anyways this is just my personal opinion.

[Nsane]

I really, really would love to see kill cam stay. When I get suspicious it shows that I was sticking out. Most importantly, it reduces camping or at least its effectiveness.

[Crotch-Rot]

Kill Cam...

:deadhorse2:

It's not going anywhere.

[Nsane]

Kill Cam...

:deadhorse2:

It's not going anywhere.

Thank you. Major relief. When I saw you say that changes where coming, I thought we were going to lose the killcam. I'm quite relieved knowing that its safe.

[Rajun Cajun]

I have said this before about Domination mode. Overgrown is probably the only map where this doesn't happen.

When the server is full (10v10)...and this happens, A LOT!
One team captures either their "A" or "C" point, depending on the side you're on, then proceeds to capture "B" point. The opposing team almost always gets locked down in their back spawn area unable to move out of it and advance to even attempt to take either "B" or the back one. While the dominating team is defending "B" they almost never attempt to move in to capture the final point because it's to easy to defend "B" and the exits with only a couple ways out. Creates a nightmare for the other team. I understand that is part of the game hence the name DOMINATION, but it isn't fun for the team getting raped and it shouldn't be fun for the team doing the raping. Again, Overgrown is probably the only balanced map I have played on Domination probably due to it being more open. Maps like Showdown, Ambush, Crossfire, Bog all have horrible B capture point locations.

When the server is say 4 v 4 Domination it is just flat out boring. It's nothing more than a merry-go-round, circle the map, flag capture dance.

[sumdumgai]

I agree with Rajun Cajun that overgrown is the most balanced of the domination maps. The worst B location would have to be on Wet Work. The team that has B and can consistently bombard that spot with explosives and bullets win.

I agree with Killerdraft that Chinatown is pretty unappealing, it's my least favorite of the new maps.

A rotation of a mixture of TDM, HQ, with an occasional S&D and Sabotage thrown in would probably work well, with an overgrown domination. Maybe even toss in the occasional FFA, as I have observed that that brings in a lot of people, especially in the evening and late night.

[Rajun Cajun]

Any status on getting an admin assigned to implement any changes?

At this point most people seem to only want to play either TDM or Sabotage. TDM always draws a crowd and Sabotage is fun on almost every map provided there are enough people playing. Also, see the respawn time thread. I have seen several people come in-game and leave after seeing the long respawn times.

Let's get this server populated on a regular basis so in the later hours of the night we aren't playing elsewhere or playing 3 v 3 matches.

PS...the scrolling message in-game listing the TS IP is the old one...unless someone fixed it after last night.

[SnaKe]

Any status on getting an admin assigned to implement any changes?

At this point most people seem to only want to play either TDM or Sabotage. TDM always draws a crowd and Sabotage is fun on almost every map provided there are enough people playing. Also, see the respawn time thread. I have seen several people come in-game and leave after seeing the long respawn times.

Let's get this server populated on a regular basis so in the later hours of the night we aren't playing elsewhere or playing 3 v 3 matches.

PS...the scrolling message in-game listing the TS IP is the old one...unless someone fixed it after last night.Watch for an announcement regarding assigning Game Server Developers in the next day or two. :thumpsup:

[JustMeBF2]

:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

I some have experience in setting up the configs if someone needs help.

Only help, I am not applying for the position.

[FozzyBear]

Ok. Some of you may have noticed some of the changes already.

:)

We have shortened the re-spawn time.

Shuffled up the map rotation. (don't worry, voting is still there if you don't want to play a mode) Below is what it is right now. Let it go for a few days and see how it goes. Remember we are trying to attract pubs as well as cater our members.... hence the FFA modes :)

"dm" - free for all deathmatch
"dom" - domination
"koth" - headquarters
"sab" - sabotage
"sd" - search & destroy
"war" - team deathmatch
"gametype dm map mp_killhouse gametype war map mp_creek gametype sab map mp_crossfire gametype war map mp_backlot gametype dom map mp_overgrown gametype war map mp_pipeline gametype dm map mp_shipment gametype koth map mp_citystreets gametype sab map mp_cargoship gametype war map mp_convoy gametype war map mp_showdown gametype sd map mp_bog gametype dom map mp_farm gametype war map mp_broadcast gametype war map mp_carentan gametype koth map mp_crash"

The maps may not be in the new rotation yet, we might have to bounce the server to get them to take affect.

Remember, give us your feedback. We may not be able to tailor it exactly how an individual player wants it, but hopefully we can find a happy median.


JustMe, I could use any helpful suggestions you have for custom map servers. Just PM some of the pitfalls we may need to avoid. Appreciate it. :thumbsup:

[Rajun Cajun]

JustMe, I could use any helpful suggestions you have for custom map servers. Just PM some of the pitfalls we may need to avoid. Appreciate it. :thumbsup:

Check your PMs...I sent you what appears to be a complete walk through for setting up ModWarfare. ModWarfare seems to have no bells and whistles like AWE, etc., but at least you can get the custom maps running. The server I have been playing on for a couple of weeks now runs this and it runs smooth. Again no bells and whistles at least on that server. From what I can tell the only thing on that server that is modded is the fact that you can play on the custom maps. It also has a ranking system just like "vanilla" CoD does. You start at 0.

[Killerdraft]

I like the rotation that started last night :thumbsup:. As for the custom maps i dont mind starting over as long as we all start over from scratch. It sorta makes the game new for me playing with all level 1's. But on the other hand 101st server got a powerleveling mod they got with their custom server whereby you rank up from 1-55 in 15 seconds. After you reach 55 you can select all your kits mod them etc then shoot your way to prestige mode ... lvl 56 up.

But all in all this is good, low spawn times nice combination of maps and types. Couldnt get rid of kill cam but oh well cant have your cake and eat it.

:woot:

[JustMeBF2]

REMINDER TO BACKUP YOUR PROFILES TO BE SAFE!

I just loaded into a screwed up custom server and it fried my profile.
I am so glad I back up my profile every week.

The folder I backup is located at
C:\Program Files\Activision\Call of Duty 4 - Modern Warfare\players\profiles
on a default install.