Possible WiH Tourney: formerly "CSS FF-ON dead??"

[Crotch-Rot]

I was looking at our CSS FF-ON server stats yesterday. In the past 2 months, there were 2 days where there were 4 people on. I haven't played CSS in a long time so I wanted to ask you guys if CSS fever has died down or if it's just that there's no one to play with at WiH. LMK.

CR

[Killerfurby6]

i dont think CS:S fever died, ok the most of our CS:S players play TF2 now and the rest is playing on other servers because its not funny to play on a server with only 2 people on it,or wait forever that someone joins!!
i think only the GG server is low populated sometimes!!

[DoctorToxn]

I have uninstalled CS:S for a bit until my exams are over, but after that I was looking forward to playing some reg CS:S. Plus, the server is on the on the same one as the TS and some of the other mods. Since this does not cost any extra, is there any use in taking it down due to a little bit of inactivity?

[zilong]

I think I've abandoned CSS... It's kind of sad considering that's how I begin playing here, but TF2 is just blows it away in amusement, and I'd take Insurgency over CS any day. Gungame = evil

[Crotch-Rot]

I was doing my usual monthly reviews of the servers and noticed it hasn't been used in a while. CSS have been an important part of WiH since the beginning. That's why I'm asking to find out the state of union sorta speak for CSS in light of recent mods such as Insurgency and TF2. There's no plan right now to take it down, at least not that I know of. :)

[Winter]

I'd be on it every minuted I could if it would populate. I could be in the server for 30 minutes and probably not see more than 4-6 people stay.

Everyone seems to wants to play D2/office 24/7 with a betting system.

Please don't follow that model, btw.

[PoPJaY]

iu hate GG, now if we had zombie mod server.......

[Mad5cout]

I no longer play CS:S. In fact, I have not been active on any WiH server for over a year. I keep up in the forums. I have been waiting for WiH to support a game I'm interested in. I'm sure it will happen sooner or later.

Perhaps there should be one CS:S server up that does a mod of the month kind of thing. That would open up room for another server for a different game maybe? COD4? Unreal Tournament 3? Something else that has system requirements a large portion of the community could meet? Maybe this could be polled?

I want to be involved in TF2 but have not the money to buy games.

[Nsane]

I still play CS:S, but not on here because of the lack of AWPs.

[FozzyBear]

I still play it occasionally when I see people are on. Otherwise my first choice has been INS then GG. (at least when it comes to HL2 engine games)

[Goldragon]

West Coast US ftl...

Whenever I feel like jumping into some CSS our server is empty, so I play elsewhere.

I miss the old days when it was full 24/7. A big ,i,, to GW! (yes, I shall forever blame GW for the abandonment of CSS).

[kem$]

I haven't had a chance to play in a long while. :(

[Kegg]

I think since TF2 came out, most of the HL2 community has been there, and occasionally on CSS:GG. I personally have been playing a lot of TF2, but I would like to get some games of either Css, or GG again. to be able to mix it up a little. My recommendation is if it doesn't cost us any thing more, leave it, otherwise, put it away for a month, until TF2 quites down.

[Nsane]

Well, whether it cost money or not, even if it's on a ded box then it still has a price in processing power.

[Prowler130]

i have seen most of the css regs in tf2 and have occasionally seen phyx start a small group on the gg server.

[jason bourne]

The only game I play is CS, and whenever I have time (which isn't much) nobody is on. Like Winter said earlier, I have sat on the reg server for nearly half an hour on occassion while playing my guitar, waiting.. and nobody joins. GG is the only thing people are willing to play :thumbsdown:

[atomicbob]

I'd still play, but.....you know....

[FiLTHY_SNiPER]

You can thank Valve for my avoiding playing CS. After one of their patches it started to run like complete shit on my PC, so why the hell would I play it when FEAR and COD4 run practically flawless on medium settings.

[kaos]

i'm too addicted to shanking people as spy.

however, i do keep up my sporadic movements while playing sniper, just like how i use the ak.

[Donavon]

I would still love to play CS, but like others are saying, when I look there is just no one on the server.

[JuicedYeti]

I'd be on it every minuted I could if it would populate. I could be in the server for 30 minutes and probably not see more than 4-6 people stay.

Everyone seems to wants to play D2/office 24/7 with a betting system.

Please don't follow that model, btw.
HE's right I have to find servers everyday to play on. It seems everyone on here is playing other games. :mgdrillsergeant:

[Saur]

OFFICE 24/7 is where it's at!

:D Or let's re do it as a custom maps server, those really attract a lot of people if they're good maps.

<3 Saur

[Prowler130]

OFFICE 24/7 is where it's at!

:D Or let's re do it as a custom maps server, those really attract a lot of people if they're good maps.

<3 Saur

RATS!

[Demon6]

I started school on top of work now so I have very little time to play, at least during the week. After a long hiatus I was very anxious to return to the good old days of WiH, only to find that people rarely (if ever) play here anymore. How on earth did we go from tournaments composed almost completely of regs to not being able to populate a server!?

[Vash]

I started school on top of work now so I have very little time to play, at least during the week. After a long hiatus I was very anxious to return to the good old days of WiH, only to find that people rarely (if ever) play here anymore. How on earth did we go from tournaments composed almost completely of regs to not being able to populate a server!?

New games.

[zilong]

i warned you all that we shouldnt dabble with the witchery of bf2... now look what happened, the community is filled with them W33Ts

[Killerfurby6]

i warned you all that we shouldnt dabble with the witchery of bf2... now look what happened, the community is filled with them W33Ts

http://www.smilies-emoticons.de/brutal/brutal_5.gif

[Demon6]

New games.

what a lousy excuse

[CrockD]

what a lousy excuse

But that's the way it is with all games eventually. They grow older and eventually get replaced, sometimes by their sequel. In the case of CSS FF-ON, GunGame took away a lot of its traffic and then TF2 really did a number on it. In fact you can look at the release date for TF2 and correlate it almost exactly with when both FF-ON and GunGame saw a decrease in traffic. TF2's a fun new game and there are only so many hours in the day so people have been choosing to play that (myself included) instead of CSS.

I still love CSS and in fact now that I don't play it much any more I find myself wanting to play vanilla instead of GunGame where as it used to be the other way around.

Speaking of which, who's up for a little CS:S FF-ON later tonight...say about 7:30 or 8:00?

[jason bourne]

i'm thinking another WiH tourney might rekindle the server...

[Crotch-Rot]

Did one of the clans run a tournament a while ago?

[Prowler130]

i think the old ti did, but i dont think many of us actually participated. But Im willing to bet a tourney would do wonders for the server

[Winter]

i think the old ti did, but i dont think many of us actually participated. But Im willing to bet a tourney would do wonders for the server

I've just been waiting for my second shot after we (YBBS) bombed last year.

[zilong]

oh man, LiT would do so bad, especially since i can hardly shoot a gun anymore thanks to hours of spy, medic, and demoman

[Demon6]

TeaM3.........

[JuicedYeti]

i'm thinking another WiH tourney might rekindle the server...
sounds good I'm ranked top10 on around 30 servers now. :cheers:

[EANeuspeed]

i'm thinking another WiH tourney might rekindle the server...

Thats a pretty cool idea. All in good fun though. PNP has held the crown for a while now.

[Kegg]

i'm thinking another WiH tourney might rekindle the server...

I missed the last one, but I would be up for it-

[Nsane]

Yeah, <TI> did, however, we never got to finish it because PNP, at least I think it was, may have been TBS, never got back with us, oh well. It'd be nice, aCe might even show up, even though more than likely awps will be left out, sadly.

[Demon6]

You think we could round up enough of the ol' gang? something tells me this is only a good idea in theory

[Nsane]

How's that? I'd spark interest in CS:S again, I believe. As for setting it up and such, as long as people follow through and get matches scheduled, there shouldn't be a problem, as far as servers, aCe could throw up a practice server or two along with a tourny server, if WiH doesn't want to use the resources.

[Prowler130]

You think we could round up enough of the ol' gang? something tells me this is only a good idea in theory

ya know what, i think you might be right... pnp is so lax in numbers on cs now that I dont think I could get enough people. Now a tf2 tourney :) thats a different story

[Gruthar]

Winter break is coming soon, that might help to repopulate the CS:S server. At least I will be able to play more and not have to keep vampire's hours.

I'd be up for another CS:S tourney... time allowing...

[Winter]

ya know what, i think you might be right... pnp is so lax in numbers on cs now that I dont think I could get enough people. Now a tf2 tourney :) thats a different story

A new tourney can be open to the public though. As much as it would suck to do it without PNP or much of LiT, there are others who would jump on board if it were advertised publicly.

[zilong]

i'll have to join Team3 if LiT isn't going to assemble

[kaos]

most of LiT is..... somewhere.....

filthy must hate us D=
he never does anything with lit anymore

[Demon6]

i'll have to join Team3 if LiT isn't going to assemble

haha sure... anyone is welcome... especially since some of our members arent active anymore. we have 3 or 4 if we're lucky

[Nsane]

Be nice if there was another one.

[Anti-sinGuardian]

ill play if someone can buy me a better mouse =*(

[Demon6]

Yeah I mean I'd have to talk to the rest of the team but I'm sure we could def get enough people to play in one...

[atomicbob]

I............................can't play.

[[W33T] Canadian23]

lol i think W33T would have the largest team i say and were from bf2.

[CrazyCow222]

w33ties play bf2? oh yeah...

[Nsane]

Canadian23;240056']lol i think W33T would have the largest team i say and were from bf2.
Quality over quantity. :D

[Slash]

Im totally down with the touney idea! Ive been craving some Shottie action for quite some time...

[Goldragon]

1v1 Knife & Shotgun tourney!

[Killerfurby6]

Canadian23;240056']lol i think W33T would have the largest team i say and were from bf2.
realy??? you remember that you and Jimmy are in LiT??!!

[Demon6]

so are we just gonna talk about it or take action

[CrockD]

I think a WiH tourney would actually generate a lot of interest. The last one (which i think was nearly 2 years ago) was highly successful. I'm sure PNP could put enough guys together to defend their title, Team3's always up for a good war, TBS would definitely participate, W33T could participate in their first tourney and i'm sure LiT could be rekindled.

of course hosting a tourney is highly time consuming so it'll come down to whether the WiH admins and owners have the time and resources to make it possible. If they do that would be so cool.

[[W33T] JimmytehHand8]

so are we just gonna talk about it or take action

You guys need to start playing again dammit!

[LordBeer]

We actually had like 4-6 people in the server last night while we waited for the TF2 server to get patched up.

I think a tourney would be pretty neat.

[jason bourne]

so are we just gonna talk about it or take action

We'd like it to be approved of the WiH owners and admins first :D

[Nsane]

We'd like it to be approved of the WiH owners and admins first :D

Yes, that would be the first step.

[APOC]

This might mean I have to start playing again...Always up for a good ol tourney.

APOC

[Nsane]

bump...

[Winter]

Are any of the WIH owners willing to publicly comment on this?

Will WIH consider hosting a Counter-Strike: Source tournament?

If not, will WIH allow the tournament host(s) to advertise and organize a tournament through these forums, ala the <TI> tourny from last year?

Would WIH be more inclined to allow this if the host(s) were community members?

[Demon6]

Are any of the WIH owners willing to publicly comment on this?

Will WIH consider hosting a Counter-Strike: Source tournament?

If not, will WIH allow the tournament host(s) to advertise and organize a tournament through these forums, ala the <TI> tourny from last year?

Would WIH be more inclined to allow this if the host(s) were community members?

Guess not :/

[jason bourne]

chill dude, give em time

[Demon6]

chill dude, give em time

Haha sorry... I'm excited... also I think it would be good if it took place over winter break when people have the most time... that's kinda soon though to get a tourny together

[Saur]

A big custom maps server! Just look at WDF and CSG, always full, a good quality custom maps server to the public would fill a need imo and it'd be a "if you build, they will come" type o' deal. Very competitive :D

<3 Saur

[z3speed4me]

.....wow i got rocked when i played css for a few last night...

def dif from what ive been playing recently, kinda forgot how it was

[PoPJaY]

god if u guy sstoped play GG! we could play CSS

(god i hate GG i want to kill it, grab it by the neck and strangle it till its face truns blue then ...grahhhh)

[Demon6]

god if u guy sstoped play GG! we could play CSS

(god i hate GG i want to kill it, grab it by the neck and strangle it till its face truns blue then ...grahhhh)

amen to that!

[Tigiot]

god if u guy sstoped play GG! we could play CSS

(god i hate GG i want to kill it, grab it by the neck and strangle it till its face truns blue then ...grahhhh)

Never, I wish we could get 16+ people on the GG servers at once.

Last few nights on the Vanilla server was pretty awesome.

On another note, something we all feel.

WiH Admins really need more priveleges. Especially map changes...

[Nsane]

That or RTV or mapvote. Sometimes, the people don't want to play the next map and leave for a server that has the map they want on.

[Tigiot]

That or RTV or mapvote. Sometimes, the people don't want to play the next map and leave for a server that has the map they want on.

Yep, wonder what it would take to get RTV and admins to be able to change the map

If they're worried about abuse just creating a hierarchy of admin powers.

[Demon6]

Um... Bump?

[Nsane]

Don' think this is happening either way. If aCe was going to hold one, I was the one who'd have to get it going and run it. Seeing as how I'm not with them any longer,I don't think anyone else there will take the initiative to do this. If WiH was going to do it they'd have started already methinks.

[EANeuspeed]

Don' think this is happening either way.

Give the owners a little more time. Most schoosl and colleges gets out next week.

[jason bourne]

...bump?

[Prowler130]

patience is a virtue

[JuicedYeti]

wise men die early

P.S. kick the GG it kills the server and brings in people just wanting to play for 2 minutes and leave

[Winter]

Patience schmacience. This thread was started over a month ago by ONE OF THE ****ING OWNERS.

[Prowler130]

Patience schmacience. This thread was started over a month ago by ONE OF THE ****ING OWNERS.

as a thread asking if css was dead. Tourney was brought up later. The owners also run numerous other servers, im sure its under discussion.

[Winter]

as a thread asking if css was dead. Tourney was brought up later. The owners also run numerous other servers, im sure its under discussion.

It still turned into tourny discussion 1 month +7 days ago. The owners were called out. If they're discussing the possibility of a tournament, which you're sure they are, they'd be awfully kind to let us know.

For the dense, that is another call-out for someone who knows more than Prowler to sound off about what's going on behind the scenes.

[FozzyBear]

It still turned into tourny discussion 1 month +7 days ago. The owners were called out. If they're discussing the possibility of a tournament, which you're sure they are, they'd be awfully kind to let us know.

For the dense, that is another call-out for someone who knows more than Prowler to sound off about what's going on behind the scenes.

I'm sorry. I've taken your past posts as being VERY aggressive.

If I'm mistaken, please correct me.

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I had much more typed out here. But if you guys want ANYTHING to do with CS:S/GG/other mods you need to actually play on our servers. I can't count how many times 2 or 3 of us has jumped on the server(s) and gotten it near capacity in just a few minutes.

I have most of you guys on my favs list (I see you playing elsewhere) ......... and hardly anyone will start up our server(s)


I'm not an owner, but if you want a tourney you need to show there is still community interest in the servers.


Just my opinion....

foz

[redish16]

Nice attitude.

I think the "Are Gamers way too demanding these days?" thread is around here somewhere ....

[kem$]

GIVE US A TOURNEY!!

NOW!!!

:dgrin: :dgrin: :dgrin:

[Winter]

I'm sorry. I've taken your past posts as being VERY aggressive.

If I'm mistaken, please correct me.


I'll correct you, but I've been told to do so very carefully. I'm not aggressing nor am I whining about something I get for free.

I'm simply perplexed by the lack of upper-echelon involvement lately and I've gone and used this topic to bring it up.

[jason bourne]

I can't count how many times 2 or 3 of us has jumped on the server(s) and gotten it near capacity in just a few minutes.



And I honestly can't count how many times I've sat on the server alone for over 20 minutes before getting fed up and leaving.



I'm not an owner, but if you want a tourney you need to show there is still community interest in the servers.




Community events like a WiH tourney might help that.

Or if the public was asked what would stimulate a rise in their interest. (e.g. removal of a few maps that DESTROY the server... like militia, havana, whatever) Err wait.. there were polls and discussions about this kind of stuff. But no changes or anything were made.

As for questioning the interest level of TBS, we make up about 40&#37; of the friggin server the few times it does fill up.



And Winter has a point. The community that responded was all for it (including admins like Kegg n Prowler) but we have yet to hear from the owners if it is a possibility. Any input, be it positive or negative, from them would be greatly appreciated so we can get started here or on another server if necessary.



EDIT: By the way, this post was typed in a completely open and non-confrontational manner.

[FiLTHY_SNiPER]

For the dense, that is another call-out for someone who knows more than Prowler to sound off about what's going on behind the scenes.

So basically you've just called the owners idiots..


@Bourne: sure, Winter may have a point, but the way he's expressing it isn't going to get that point very far.

I don't play CS:S, but I may reconsider if a tourney was established. Although I would play, I can't say that CS:S would be my first choice (*cough* COD4 *cough*)

@Zilong/Kaos: I don't hate LiT, I just don't play anything online anymore :P

[[W33T] JimmytehHand8]

Err wait.. there were polls and discussions about this kind of stuff. But no changes or anything were made.

EDIT: By the way, this post was typed in a completely open and non-confrontational manner.

Every time theres been a poll to take out militia or assault the vote is always keep the map, if only by a small margin.

[Prowler130]

I really dont know what the animosity is for. I mean, its under discussion. What else is there to say? Cant start a tournament in a day. And like I said before, The owners have lives, the admins have lives, and we also have numerous other servers to look out for. Lets not forget we like to play games too. There could also be other community events in the works.

Patience.

Now how bout we all calm down. No more sly posts that insult the "upper-echelons" (seeing as how that is a good way to not get the tourney going). And definitely listen to fozzy. If TBS truly represents 40% of the server, than that should be enough to get it going.

[Winter]

So basically you've just called the owners idiots..

I don't know where you got that from. I asked for someone who knows whether or not there's something brewing to please say so.

[Gruthar]

I think some perspective is in order...

The original thread was started because the CS:S server has been essentially dead for months now. The tournament was suggested as a means to renew interest in CS:S. Many in the community expressed interest and... the thread was left to stagnate for a month. Whatever was misconstrued, all we want is for an admin to say "Yes, a tourney is feasible. We're discussing as to whether or not to do it." or "Not a chance in hell." It's not much to ask - we are NOT after a commitment either way, though updates would be nice.

If the tournament doesn't happen, fine. We're all still left with the problem as to how to maintain a population on the CS:S server. This is what is underlying all of this. We can start the server, sure, but there's clearly not enough WiH regs to keep the population up over a prolonged period of time. That means something needs to be done to keep non-WiHers coming back to the server. There's been an abundance of suggestions, ranging from the tourney to adding/removing maps, mods, etc. but little action (at least that we can see). That's extremely frustrating from our perspective. If wanting to revive the CS:S portion of the community is too demanding, then I'm guilty as charged.

I understand that the owner/admins have lives and other servers to manage. Perhaps, then, it's time to entrust one or more people with access to the server in order to add/remove maps, mods, or what-have-you. We're not trying to insult or attack anyone - these are the realities of the matter. Neither time nor patience is going to magically fix the server or stop more regs from drifting away. We can pop the server, but we can't make new people like the server content and stay long enough to become part of the community.

There's my $.02.

[Nsane]

I think some perspective is in order...

The original thread was started because the CS:S server has been essentially dead for months now. The tournament was suggested as a means to renew interest in CS:S. Many in the community expressed interest and... the thread was left to stagnate for a month. Whatever was misconstrued, all we want is for an admin to say "Yes, a tourney is feasible. We're discussing as to whether or not to do it." or "Not a chance in hell." It's not much to ask - we are NOT after a commitment either way, though updates would be nice.

If the tournament doesn't happen, fine. We're all still left with the problem as to how to maintain a population on the CS:S server. This is what is underlying all of this. We can start the server, sure, but there's clearly not enough WiH regs to keep the population up over a prolonged period of time. That means something needs to be done to keep non-WiHers coming back to the server. There's been an abundance of suggestions, ranging from the tourney to adding/removing maps, mods, etc. but little action (at least that we can see). That's extremely frustrating from our perspective. If wanting to revive the CS:S portion of the community is too demanding, then I'm guilty as charged.

I understand that the owner/admins have lives and other servers to manage. Perhaps, then, it's time to entrust one or more people with access to the server in order to add/remove maps, mods, or what-have-you. We're not trying to insult or attack anyone - these are the realities of the matter. Neither time nor patience is going to magically fix the server or stop more regs from drifting away. We can pop the server, but we can't make new people like the server content and stay long enough to become part of the community.

There's my $.02.

Excellent point, can't agree more.

[Saur]

We're all still left with the problem as to how to maintain a population on the CS:S server.

An office 24/7, a dust2 24/7, and a large-scale custom maps server similar to wdf and csg. One of each and we'd be rollin' till the end o' time :D

<3 Saur

[Prowler130]

Whatever was misconstrued, all we want is for an admin to say "Yes, a tourney is feasible. We're discussing as to whether or not to do it." or "Not a chance in hell." It's not much to ask - we are NOT after a commitment either way, though updates would be nice.

I said that. Last I checked, I was a senior admin here. I dont understand why that isnt good enough for everyone. It is under discussion. Since it is under discussion, it must be feasible. We would not be discussing it if it were not feasible. Can I say that we have made a commitment? no. But I know that it has been brought up to the administration.

Like I said, I dont know why that is not good enough.

[Nsane]

Well I can't speak for others, but at least knowing it's being discussed is at least something.

[Gruthar]

I said that. Last I checked, I was a senior admin here. I dont understand why that isnt good enough for everyone. It is under discussion. Since it is under discussion, it must be feasible. We would not be discussing it if it were not feasible. Can I say that we have made a commitment? no. But I know that it has been brought up to the administration.

Like I said, I dont know why that is not good enough.

Ah OK. As I read your previous posts, I got the impression that you were outside the loop in terms of what the owners were discussing since you said you were sure the tourney was being discussed - as a matter of opinion (as opposed to saying you knew it was being discussed.) Simple misunderstanding then; it wasn't clear that you were part of the discussion or that the whole thing was even being looked at. Nevertheless, an update as to what convictions the powers-that-be might have would be nice for all of us who have been holding our breaths for so long...

[Demon6]

I believe TeaM3 makes up another 40% of the reg pop on the weekends and we are IN! :)

[Crotch-Rot]

I'm the ****ING owner that started this thread. So let me respond. The majority of the owners do not want to run a tournament. However, we recognize that some of you in the community wants a tournament. So we are asking our admins if any of them wants to organize and run the tournament.

That's where we are with this whole thing.

[Demon6]

How about a "drunken saturday" vanilla night!?

[Gruthar]

I'm the ****ING owner that started this thread. So let me respond. The majority of the owners do not want to run a tournament. However, we recognize that some of you in the community wants a tournament. So we are asking our admins if any of them wants to organize and run the tournament.

That's where we are with this whole thing.

Voila! Thank you, Señor Crotch. :thumbsup:

[Goldragon]

I say we have a 21+ drunken CSS DeathMatch tourney. No time limit, 100 lives, last man standing (or at the least, standing in-game) wins.

Who's with me?!

[FozzyBear]

I say we have a 21+ drunken CSS DeathMatch tourney. No time limit, 100 lives, last man standing (or at the least, standing in-game) wins.

Who's with me?!


:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

[Saur]

can i has a deagle?!

<3 Saur

[[W33T] JimmytehHand8]

can i has a deagle?!

<3 Saur

Nope. Knife only 4 u.