Most traumatising video I've ever seen.

[StevenNevets]

Safe for work, I guess. It's on youtube and not flaged for mature.
But serious warning for anyone watching.
Arggg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xW4TVRLSgg

[Tykwer]

hmm, im not sure it made it better that i was listening to "mr. sandman" while i watched it.
birth defects not good.

[BigToe]

Somtimes I read what the poster wrote after clicking and watching link.
I won't make that mistake again.

[StevenNevets]

Somtimes I read what the poster wrote after clicking and watching link.
I won't make that mistake again.Nice, something good came from it.:welcome:

[LordBeer]

Just a heads up for people who might click on the link. It's an infant that has Harlequin type ichthyosis. A rather severe birth defect that affects the skin. Could be rather upsetting to some.

I'm a little confused by the comments from the video's submitter. The disease is genetic. How the hell would Coca Cola increase the chances of that? Caffeine does cause problems during pregnancy but it doesnt alter genes. If it did.. well I'm sure it wouldnt be so popular.. Anyway, it's caffeine and not carbonated sodas that cause trouble. I'm not a doctor though.. Guess I could be wrong on this but I doubt it.

[Vash]

Well I wouldn't say it's the most traumatizing thing I've ever seen, but it's tragic. Those eyes are crazy, can the baby even see?

[hank123]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlequin_type_ichthyosis

[FiLTHY_SNiPER]

Why would they even let the child live out his life in that condition (maybe they didn't, who knows). His whole existence would only bring pain and suffering to himself and his family.

Maybe this is a touchy subject, but I'd definitely put the poor thing to rest.

[hank123]

filthy do you have kids?
I take it you dont.

[SLCoran]

Why would they even let the child live out his life in that condition (maybe they didn't, who knows). His whole existence would only bring pain and suffering to himself and his family.

Maybe this is a touchy subject, but I'd definitely put the poor thing to rest.

I would call that compassion.

[FiLTHY_SNiPER]

filthy do you have kids?
I take it you dont.

Would you want to live out your whole life in total pain, looking like that? I didn't think so.

[sir_digalot]

there are a couple of cases like that that have lived to adult hood, there is an interesting wiki article on it, most tend to die early due to infections because the skin is hard and scale like and prone to allowing in infection, it is also now very flexible i think chitin would be a closer description then skin, there is also a triathlete who competes and has the condition.

it is a genetic disorder though, and requires 2 carriers of the gene to copulate to create the issue, as far as i have read anyway

[hank123]

Would you want to live out your whole life in total pain, looking like that? I didn't think so.

when it come down to it you love your kid(s) no matter what and you never want them to have any pain.
it does not matter who u are u still have pain.

So what your saying if you had a baby with some kind of disorder you would kill him/her.
if you had some accident that disfigure you would you kill your self? I dont think so.

[Vash]

Aren't you kind of contradicting the statement, Hank? Filthy said he wouldn't want the child to live in pain for the rest of their life. You say you shouldn't let them experience pain. Plus, this isn't just some disorder, it's an incredibly debilitating ailment the likes of which most whom contract it don't even live through infancy, and those who do, face very difficult times. All in all though, the subject on whether or not it would be a "mercy killing" or murder is a touchy subject, and should probably be avoided.

[FiLTHY_SNiPER]

I agree with Vash... I shouldn't have stirred the pot, anyways.

[PoPJaY]

thiers been 1000 reported cause w/ 11 living to adolescents and 1 living to adulthood

[hank123]

k we could go on and on and on.... i'll just say if you have kids theres no contradicting the statement in what I have said.

any how tell you mom I said hi.

[StevenNevets]

k we could go on and on and on.... i'll just say if you have kids theres no contradicting the statement in what I have said.

any how tell you mom I said hi.By contradicting I think he meant that you're saying you don't want (your) kids going through pain, and though everyone goes through pain, they would be suffering life-long emotional and physical pain to an extent where life would probably be best if non-existant.:bolt:



And perhaps I used the wrong word but it was just insanely sad, shocking, and thought provoking at the same time.

[ImperialWizard]

i dont know about letting it live or not but i sure know the cause
DU http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=1316901 post 12

i wouldnt be surprised if a GI joe had such a kid
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=711231124714712890&q=Beyond+Treason+duration%3Along&total=22&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

[LordBeer]

Oh god.. Ive seen that 'theory' debunked on other sites. Oddly enough the sites said how depleted uranium rounds caused their babies to wind up that like.. Problem was they used the same pictures of babies who were born NO WHERE near the middle east or any other field of battle. They snagged pics from medical websites and never even had the decency to explain what the disease REALLY was. That disease is genetic and it happens all over the world. It even happens to people who have been no where near a war. It's been going on BEFORE that type of round was ever used. I should note that I saw these theories on anti war/anti US websites. The first site I saw it on was saying it happened near the Croatian/Serb battlefields. Works out pretty well for them.. They put up some pics and get to slander the US military without any repercussions.

I detest people who would use these poor children to push forward their own views on the world. :thumbsdown: Weak.. Those people need to do real research instead of just making up results that fit their views.

Found some odd things in that video, but I'll just keep that to myself before I derail this thread.

[ImperialWizard]

yes this skin condition happens all around the world but the odds of such a disorder are like 1million to one. and supposedly there are many children in iraq with such a condition.
35 minutes into the video i just posted shows pictures of these kind of children, and that video seems very credible in my opinion.
i think the highest echelons of government are to blame for having these heavy metals made into shells.

[kippendrecht]

luckily, what the wikipedia site said, is that doctors can diagnose the child with this disease.

in that case, if I were told that my baby has this, I wouldnt let it live. but that my take on these things. I dont think I would be strong/hard enough to see this child having pain, problems, and also being mentally hurt. and if I cant prevent it, I dont want it to happen at all.

[Mad5cout]

I love *sarcasm* how the posted video says "mutilated baby" and then has a whole bunch of Islamic music in the background.

Can we say propaganda?

Kinda pisses me off that someone tried to use a tragic disease for some kind of political agenda.


EDIT: apparently the propaganda worked on Wizard... Christ man dig a little deeper...

[Mad5cout]

@ Filthy and Vash: Did the baby look in pain to you? It didn't look pretty but it was not wailing in pain. I think we are making an assumption about what the condition is or is not. The wiki post did not say anything about chronic pain. The biggest danger is heat regulation and dehydration.

This same kinda of thought process still causes countries all over the world to involuntarily euthanize people with disabilities everyday. I'm sorry. I know that kid is going to have a tough life but I don't think we should take him out back and shoot him like a lame race horse or a rabid dog.

If you type the disease into a search engine and look up some pics you can see teenagers and what not with this condition. They don't look nearly as bad as when they are infants and they seem to be living happy lives with their families.

You say that you would not want to live if you were them because you are not them. Go up to one of those teenagers with this condition and say, "If I had it my way, you would've been killed at birth, " and see what they say.

[Crotch-Rot]

Some of you have great opinions on this. Some of you needs to revisit your thoughts after you've had a child. But right now, you have no clue what you're saying. You think you do, but you don't. You won't until you have child.

[Vash]

Well put Mad, but I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn't taking any particular side on the matter, I was only attempting to calm the rising conflict between a few of the posters and not escalate the thread into a debate on the "life or death" subject (although looking back at my post it seems more like instigation). Which I guess it already has. I personally don't have a stance on the topic, because as Crotch said, you really can't have one unless you have kids. Either way, I think everyone should simmer down and have some grilled cheese and let this fade away.

[lamah]

glad i didn't click on the link heh

[StevenNevets]

If you type the disease into a search engine and look up some pics you can see teenagers and what not with this condition. They don't look nearly as bad as when they are infants and they seem to be living happy lives with their families.Well... Is it mainly because of years of treatment or is it because they're cases are tons less severe, or a differnt type of?

[sir_digalot]

It didn't look pretty but it was not wailing in pain

not that i like feel the wiki is the be all and end all of information ;) but it did also say it is hard for the subject to breath due to the touch non flexible nature of the skin and the eyelid thing cannot be to comfortable, babies cry like a mofo as it is imagine what it is like to have cracked skin etc etc...

i am not saying the baby was in chronic pain, but i cannot imagine for a minute the condition is all to comfortable and when you are that young you generally cry at any discomfort.

either way i find it an interesting matter, especially with all our advances something such as this still occurs and can occur anywhere in the world if the right factors are met.

[ImperialWizard]

EDIT: apparently the propaganda worked on Wizard... Christ man dig a little deeper...

i guess i hypothesized because of all the DU related baby pictures from iraq ive seen in the past.

im sure we can all concur that DU does certenly mutilate chromiums in DNA
you wouldnt want it your backyard, nor would you want to be exposed to it.
google searching DU, Babies, and iraq brings about some horrid pictures.

[Mad5cout]

to defuse.

@Vash: I misunderstood your post. sry.

@StevenNevets: Does it matter? I think the point is we shouldn't be euthanizing children because we don't like how their disease makes us feel or how e think it should make them feel.

@ImperialW: I am not saying that your points don't have their place. They just are in no way related to what was going on in the video. This is the type of rampant sensationalism that started the whole war in the first place.

@digalot: I'm not saying this kid is going to have the perfect life BUT it is possible for them to have a life. A HAPPY life. Everytime I see a kid with cancer, a debilitating disease, a disability, etc. the one thing that sticks out in my mind is their fervor for life, their general happiness that they had a chance to participate in the world around them and experience things, and the love between them and their friends and family. The comments being posted are basically saying, we should prescreen and select the children we view as worthy of this experience (life) based on how a video makes us feel about our own temporary able bodied selves. Almost all of us will experience some level of disability or debilitating disease in our lifetime. Should we take you out back and shoot you? You all better get used to the idea that we are all temporarily abled and void of chronic illness. Don't think "that could be me," think, "that WILL be me." Then think about who's life you are about to take away without their permission.

man, :topicssucks:... lol

[sir_digalot]

i do admit there is a certain aspect of sparta here, only the fit survive, i personally am an utter barstard when it comes to these things, simply because it is not me who is in pain/has the problem etc...

i do agree we should not judge, especailly based on health, if that were the case then bith my wife and 10 yr old would have been taken away by the purity squad.... (although there are plenty of able bodied people who should be euthanised for various reasons such as the inability to use their given brain or common sense for one).

it makes me think in some respects of quadraplegics, i musician friend i know from my days in the blues club had a beautiful wife and the most adorbale little boy anyone could want, unfortunatly one day he crashed his motorbike, ended up a quad, he is still alive his brain is perfect, but he is like christopher reeves was, and lost the ability to play music, luckily his wife and kid stayed... i cannot even begin to think what it would be like to be functioning and not able to express it all too much, i guess you could say stepehn hawking is the same, he was basically wirtten off as his condtition digressed and look now.

i was saying however that the condition depicted in the video it is hard to tell what level of pain the baby was in, i can imagine with hard cracked none elastic skin inverted eyelids and difficulty breathing it could be distressing... this also reminds me of the pics of the kids that were grown up round the chernobyl area, grossly deformed and such, but still kids....

in the words of the elephant man.... i am not a monster!

[kippendrecht]

anyway, this stuff is way to heavy for this forum, damn....dont even want to think about it.