VALVe - PS3 a disaster, should be cancelled. Likes the Wii

[StevenNevets]

“The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It’s really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I’d say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a “do over”. Just say, “This was a horrible disaster and we’re sorry and we’re going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it”. The happy story is the Wii. I’m betting that by Christmas of next year, the Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I’m crazy. I really like everthing that Nintendo is doing. “

-- Gabe Newell, co-founder and managing director of the Valve Corporation.





Oh man... Who called it!?





Half Life 2 on the Wii, WOOT:flipoff:

[Kernel Error]

wow thats harsh ... but i agree

[Saur]

I concur w/ the Gabe.

<3 Saur

[Multiplex]

Newell is always starting shit! :D

[EANeuspeed]

The PS3 OWENS Bi#ches!! The Wii is for girls! :mgboxedin::mgpaperbag::D

[FozzyBear]

Love my Wii......and more to the point my WIFE and kids love the Wii :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

And it's nice to know that I suck at Wii bowling just like in real life :wallbash:


The main difference between the two, other than the price, is the Wii is fun for the whole family. Now don't get me wrong, the games on the PS3 look and play awesome.....but getting my wife to play ANY game on the PS3 would be impossible.

[[W33T] JimmytehHand8]

You know, his predictions for the WII might just come true:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2631

Gamefaqs is a popular site, and this poll here shows WII is currently the most popular among gamers who visit the site. I wouldn't be surpised if other polls like this show similar results.

[tHa_KhAn]

I'll try to find the article, but Microsoft is quietly not-competing with the Wii. They are attempting to help kill the PS3 by suggesting that the 360 and Wii can coexist in a home for the same cost as a PS3. That means you can have the multimedia and hardcore gaming of a 360 and the family friendly gaming of the Wii and thus get way more bang for your buck. It's like the whole thing with Sony denying use of Blu-ray for porn. They just signed Blu-ray's death certificate.

[Drayu]

I am sure the WII would be great because of the whole interactiveness of it, I just can't it right now....and if I can find a game for the 360 that the woman likes....I am gold! :D (she wants super monkey ball :( )

[Kernel Error]

I'll try to find the article, but Microsoft is quietly not-competing with the Wii. They are attempting to help kill the PS3 by suggesting that the 360 and Wii can coexist in a home for the same cost as a PS3. That means you can have the multimedia and hardcore gaming of a 360 and the family friendly gaming of the Wii and thus get way more bang for your buck. It's like the whole thing with Sony denying use of Blu-ray for porn. They just signed Blu-ray's death certificate.


WHAT no high def porn.... what were they thinking :lol:

[Multiplex]

I'll try to find the article, but Microsoft is quietly not-competing with the Wii. They are attempting to help kill the PS3 by suggesting that the 360 and Wii can coexist in a home for the same cost as a PS3. That means you can have the multimedia and hardcore gaming of a 360 and the family friendly gaming of the Wii and thus get way more bang for your buck. It's like the whole thing with Sony denying use of Blu-ray for porn. They just signed Blu-ray's death certificate.

Smart ploy... they get Sony out of the picture and then they can drowned Nintendo out with raw $$$ in advertising.

[wihadmin]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[kilroy0097]

PS3 Would be just as good as Xbox 360 if they get rid of Blue Ray. Just admit defeat and adopt HD-DVD. Go back to the drawing board on a new product. Obviously Sony never learns when releasing new technology.

[Prowler130]

Smart ploy... they get Sony out of the picture and then they can drowned Nintendo out with raw $$$ in advertising.

they wont be able to drown nintendo out simply because microsoft is not necessarily marketing to the same consumer base as nintendo is with the wii. This in my opinion is what makes the wii superior and will eventually lead nintendo to the highest sales out of this generation of consoles. Of course this all started when nintendo figured out how to use the unique innovations of the DS to market to not only gamers, but children and even adults and the elderly as well.

[juuh77]

The big N keeps on trucking. Got to say i like it. Sony should have stayed on the same page as when they made the Playstation. Now they are doing what sega did and trying to get to far ahead of themselves on how much more tech they have. If they would just slow down and try to make a good product things could be good for them. The Ps3 Reminds me of the Sega Saturn on so many lvls. Only difference between the 2 is Sega knew when to say its done and dead we will never be able to keep up sales wise with everyone else.

[wihadmin]

It was claimed that this picture is recent, after the Holidays.

[StevenNevets]

.... Sony is willing to lose money on the console and no one will buy it.



I almost feel bad.




Wait, no. No I don't.

[KAstickboy]

drayu... gamestop.com can get you on a list for the Wii or let you know where one will be for purchase...

also, this weekend i was down at the pops' house and he knows i want to get a Wii... so while we were out and about we tried finding one... COULDNT! couldnt even find spare controllers! now for PS3s... god i could find at least 10 per store with all the accessories... Nevets' sig explains it all! 1.1mil PS3s haha what a flop!

KA

[StevenNevets]

Nevets' sig explains it all! 1.1mil PS3s haha what a flop!I'm pretty sure they don't count consoles that get returned though... So...

[FozzyBear]

I finally found a Wii.........and the whole time I was looking, all they had were the damn controllers :slap: Not that I have one, I can't find any extra controllers :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:



But I did find lots of $600 PS3's :thumbsup: (and accesories)

[Father Goose]

To return to the original topic:

I don't think Valve- the creators of STEAM (remember the early days of that? Shudder....) and the awesome bi-yearly episodic content that is Half Life:Episode Never Finished have much room to talk about piss-poor launches.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a Sony fanboy (although I think their biggest problem was not securing a decent launch title outside of Resistance). But seriously...

Steam blew chunks when it was started, and it has become something pretty slick. So a crummy launch can result in a good product. How many days did you wish Valve would retract Steam and just have a "do-over"?

Valve's whole attempt at episodic content has pretty much fallen apart. It's been over two years since HL2 and all they've managed is an expansion pack...HL2:E2 should just be lengthened and titled HL3. So Valve also isn't the company to talk about BIG AWESOME CLAIMS that amount to jack squat.

But where would gaming be without "bold" statements like this? :D

[Multiplex]

I don't think comparing software launches and hardware gaming console launches is very good. There's a big difference between releasing patches for your software and changing the core of a console to promote easier development.

Also, don't forget that Valve had a stellar release of HL1.

[Saur]

I concur w/ the Multiplex. Yeah, I didn't like steam at first... tried to hold out... they shut down the won stuff though so i had to convert lol. Proud of my 7dig :P But now I looove steam.

And as for the PS3, the only game I'm lookin' forward to other than MGS4 is Lair. Dragon's 'n stuff, looks fun.

EDIT: and just btw, I really like how all of us can kick back 'n have discussions like this over the forums. I grew up in a town in oklahoma and the mantra from friends 'n relatives was "bookz r for lazzyy peeple" "computers r stoooopid" "games r gay go outside 'n ride dirtbikez" etc etc... video games never did fit in well with the kids 'n family i grew up with. sucked really. I mean I can say I was the best at goldeneye against everyone I played, but that AIN'T sayin' much AT ALL, ya know?

<3 Saur

[tHa_KhAn]

they wont be able to drown nintendo out simply because microsoft is not necessarily marketing to the same consumer base as nintendo is with the wii. This in my opinion is what makes the wii superior and will eventually lead nintendo to the highest sales out of this generation of consoles. Of course this all started when nintendo figured out how to use the unique innovations of the DS to market to not only gamers, but children and even adults and the elderly as well.

Exactly. Wii and 360 are in two different ball parks. The Wii and 360 will end up close in sales. People who want a 360 either have one or waiting for a price drop. The Wii will eventually level out like the 360 did. They don't directly compete so it only helps both if sales are up, which means more people are spending.

I found tthe article on the Blu-ray and porn. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8602.html

Whoever, said Sony pulled a SEGA is right. THe Saturn was as good as the PSone hardware wise. There were some things even better about the Saturn if I remember correctly, but the pricing and launch games doomed it. I played both at an expo before either were main stream and I liked the Saturn better.

Sega almost go away with the Dreamcast. They made a cheap next gen, made great games, but had one flaw. The PS2 game out with a DVD player and more powerful as it was year later or so. Dreamcast games remind of the Wii because some of them (Like Virtua Tennis or Rush 2049) were nothing special, but extremely fun in multiplayer. During the offseason my teammates and I were sit in the dorms and go 4 player on Rush 2049 day in and day out. More so than madden on the PS2 and we were all football players.

[MajorPayne]

The PS3 sucks.

[wihadmin]

The PS3 sucks.

Here's a great example of how not to reply to a thread. I suggest the author to back his statement up with some logical reasoning to show that he's more than just a fanboy.

[MajorPayne]

Here's a great example of how not to reply to a thread. I suggest the author to back his statement up with some logical reasoning to show that he's more than just a fanboy.

it was more of a parody post, if that makes any sense. I was hoping someone would get a chuckle. :)

[Father Goose]

Well, regardless of what people think about Gabe Newell...

I still say that Sony's biggest launch problem was lack of games. They don't have a truly killer game in any genre yet, especially the genres Sony fans are usually big spenders in- like JRPGs, fighting games, stuff like that.

When the 360 launched I had to wait until March (or was it late February? Can't remember now) until they were available in stores to just walk in and buy.

The PS3 I can just go get, right now. But what if it had launched with....

A Final Fantasy game?
A Gran Turismo game?
Any version of Soul Caliber?

I think it would be at least a little different. I for one wouldn't really be interested in the Wii so much if there wasn't a Zelda game to play.

And yeah, it is different launching software and hardware. I still shouldn't have to wait 18 months for each 4 hours of gameplay from Valve, though :baeh:

[StevenNevets]

The Wii's launch list was nothing realy...
Besides Zelda there was only about 5-7 other games worth considering.

Just wait till next year though.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/755/755583p1.html
Metroid, SSBB, Mario Galexy will all follow



Was the 360 launch line-up good either?
Maybe the PS3 will get some good games in 1-2 years... But that can never make up for the horrible price and many software/hardware bugs I hear about.

[EANeuspeed]

I totally agree with Mr Goose. I for one think the PS3 will OWN all consoles in the end. There off to a slow start(pricing...games etc.). One thing I do have to say about the Wii is I like the fact its more of a family console. Which is great because I dont think I would ever get my mom or dad to play the other consoles.

[tHa_KhAn]

I just don't feel the hardware of hte PS3 is that much better. Looking at the specs, I don't see where they are going to make up alot of ground, without a developer only developing an amazing game for them. Remember alot of people weren't sold on the Xbox's superiority to the PS2 until you played the same game side by side. If you did that, the Xbox was clearer superior in speed of loading and graphics. From waht I read of reviews, the graphics go back and forth depending on developer for the 360 and PS3. As I already posted, the Blu-ray is insignificant because of the decisions Sony is making and the fact that the new HD-DVD disks is the same size plus 1 GB.

It's going to boil down to the Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD battle to see who wins the console war. If HD-DVD wins and microsoft offers a 200 drive, then there's not much Sony can do but go back to the drawing board. It's sad, but the movie playback is going to dictate what console wins like it did with the PS2.

[sir_digalot]

the 360 had it's own need for firmware upgrades and such, and there are still issues with those nasty ring of red lights, i think in the end we will get a 360 just for dead rising and Guitar hero 2 with downloadable songs, considering we have only bought guitart hero 1 and 2 for the ps2 in the last 4 years we are not big console gamers, (besides the youngest likes to leave the discs lying around all over to get destroyed so she is not allowed to play with out supervision)

the ps3 will work out it's bugs, a couple of hardware revisions down the line, next year it will proabably pick up, and a few developers will start some work... it was over hyped, it has problems, but i di not think it will be the white elephant everyone is making it out to be...

[Multiplex]

These don't seem to be the same kinds of problems that the 360 was having. The problem is apparently that it's a bitch to develop for and if you're developers aren't happy then you've got a very SERIOUS problem with your system architecture and it won't be easy to address.

This is a far cry from scratching disks and the occassinal overheating problem that the 360 was having. Newell making comments like that means that Sony is going to have to work hard to keep their developers coming back to make new games instead of moving off to other consoles development work.

[sir_digalot]

i was referring more to the hardware difficulties, more then the software, i do agree if something sux to programme for then you are going to be hard pressed to find people willing to do it... overheating and such can be easily modified, and the 360 was far from perfect in that respect...

as for programming, maybe there will be a few hardcore people to do it... doesn't the 360 use the api's like windows so basically the programmers need only call the procedure and not care about how the machine executes it?

wasn't the ps2 much harder to programme for then the xbox also? ( though i do know it is alot easier then the ps3)

i wonder how long it will be when they just settle for standardised systems ( like the old xbox type of thing) and develope cross platform..


maybe some company can make an easier programming solution for the ps3 sell it to all the prodcution houses to aide in theor developement for the console.... who knows, lots of things can happen in a year or more

[Prowler130]

I just don't feel the hardware of hte PS3 is that much better. Looking at the specs, I don't see where they are going to make up alot of ground, without a developer only developing an amazing game for them. Remember alot of people weren't sold on the Xbox's superiority to the PS2 until you played the same game side by side. If you did that, the Xbox was clearer superior in speed of loading and graphics. From waht I read of reviews, the graphics go back and forth depending on developer for the 360 and PS3.

In reply to this, I just want to state that the ps3 is currently in its FIRST generation of both hardware and software whereas the 360 has a whole year worth of experience behind it. That does not make the 360 a superior system, nor does the fact that it is HD-DVD. Lets not forget about things like backwards compatibility and the developers that are contracted to the ps3 which are bound to make fantastic games.

I also want to add that comparing a game side by side from one system to another is both flawed and skewed. A multi-platform game will always play better on the system it was designed for. That is common knowledge since the game is usually designed for one system, then ported to the others.

One last thing, the xbox was not a superior system to the ps2 since the word 'superior' is arbitrary. People didnt "come around" to its superiority because that concept did not exist. There were games on the xbox that lagged horribly compared to the ports on the ps2. However, since I want to avoid a very numbing argument, the choice as to which system is 'superior' belongs to each individual and is usually based on game library, backwards compatibility, ease of use, innovation, and contracted developers. A gamer who justifies a system based on graphics is shallow and should not be called a gamer.

-Your Friendly Neighborhood Prowl

[[W33T] Canadian23]

i know people that own a ps3 and played madden and restrenst fall of man witch was a good game. i like the speed that it loads 10 secs at most on the fps was smooth and the controler does have the rumble feels just like the old ps2 controler with a little more weight. im just waiting for the new games to come out. a slow strat but i will be the best in the end.

[wihadmin]

AFAIK, Sony did not include the rumble feature in their PS3 controller. Instead, it included a tilt-sensor ala the wii-mote. I played the MotorStorm PS3 demo in several stores and none of the PS3 controllers vibrated.

[wihadmin]

From some business article somewhere.

TOKYO (MarketWatch) -- Sony Corp. (6758.TO) will reach only 75% of its global target for PlayStation 3 sales this fiscal year through March, according to a Nomura report released Monday.

Nomura cut its target for PS3 game units shipped during the period to 4.5 million from 6 million, citing poor sales over the holiday season in North America.

The Tokyo-based consumer electronics maker is fighting to keep its position at the top of the video game market against rivals Nintendo Co. (7974.TO) and Microsoft Corp. (MS). The company's rollout of its newest system has been beset by delays and supply shortages, but it has maintained it will sell 6 million units through March.

Sony said last week it had shipped 1 million consoles in the U.S. in 2006, but it sold only about 470,000 in Japan according to data released by computer game publisher Enterbrain Inc. This put it well below its global goal of 2 million for the year.

The unit is due to be released in Europe sometime in March.

In its report Monday, Nomura also cut its PS3 sales forecast for next fiscal year to 10 million from 16 million next fiscal year and to 11 million from 18 million for the following year.

[tHa_KhAn]

One last thing, the xbox was not a superior system to the ps2 since the word 'superior' is arbitrary. People didnt "come around" to its superiority because that concept did not exist. There were games on the xbox that lagged horribly compared to the ports on the ps2. However, since I want to avoid a very numbing argument, the choice as to which system is 'superior' belongs to each individual and is usually based on game library, backwards compatibility, ease of use, innovation, and contracted developers. A gamer who justifies a system based on graphics is shallow and should not be called a gamer.

-Your Friendly Neighborhood Prowl

In my personal experience, every game that we could compare, loaded faster and looked better on the Xbox. Considering we were an apartment of college athletes, most of our games were sports and every respect the Xbox won. That's what I meant as superior. Just to clearify.

Also, I admit the PS3 should be better based on the hardware. I'm also not denying the 360's problems in first generations. The difference is there are two legit competitors(Wii and 360) to the PS3. Also the HD-DVD/Blu-ray issue is at the center now. These are the issues that I believe will keep the PS3 from ending up on top. The 360 had no competition so it's problems weren't as glaring as the PS3's. The 360 had the advantage of being out first(PS2 vs. Xbox) and thus securing developers and fixing hardware issues without suffering from viable competitors.

[Multiplex]

Um yeah... X-Box blew PS2 out of the water in terms of performance and overall look/feel of the games. I owned a PS2 but not an X-Box... I would have gotten one if they had any titles which I liked better (like Tekken, GT series, etc).

[Bonez]

if the xbox got GT with the damage modeling that they did in forza it would be equivalent to sex with a hot nun and her 4 hot nun sisters, did i mention leather ?.

[StevenNevets]

Sense this is like the only thread with a PS3 mentioning...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLnm_dRzr84

[sandman21pre]

So the PS3 not only plays games, it is a BBQ!!!! I am so getting one now!!!!! lol