PS3 anyone?

[Drayu]

I was at bestbuy the other day trying to find R6, but I couldn't.....what I could find was 4 PS3 60gig versions....asked why they had so many....said they have had them for a while....no one wants it...they want the Wii......anyone need one?

[wihadmin]

Best Buy and Fry's Electronics near me also have PS3's.

I'm sure there's some screaming and yelling over at the PS3 camp. They expected a huge demand. Well, there was a few days before and about 1 day after their release date. Then nobody wanted it bc it cost too much and the games are nothing spectacular. Now, if they had Metal Gear Solid along with the release, then I think that game alone will carry the PS3 sales.

[Vash]

My local Gamestop has also had trouble pushing their PS3's out the door. I'm not surprised though. The launch titles were less than stellar. Currently the only games I'm looking forward to on this thing, are the continuations of popular franchises i.e. MGS, Gran Turismo, FF, Devil May Cry etc. None of which are going to be released until later this year, or early next. I'll maybe consider picking one up then.

[tHa_KhAn]

It was just hype. When the dust settled after zero day, everyone realized the fighting was over people trying to sell them consoles on eBay not anyone wanting to actually own one. I know one guy who kept one just because he wasn't getting what he wanted on eBay. Everyonelse I know just sold theirs. People become obessed with ahving the latest and greatest and now with eBay anyone can make money off of it. THen when reality sets in, like there is nothing special about the PS3(ie. unless ur noob without a computer why would u need a 60GB harddrive and blu ray isn't special now). The blu ray player is the only thing remotely useful about the PS3. It cost about the same as standalones. Kind of like the PS2 was to do DVD players. It was the best choice as DVD player when no one had a DVD player because it cost about the same and you could play games on it.

[wihadmin]

Can you imagine all the people that paid $3500 for a PS3 on release day only to have the price dropped to near retail that weekend? Damn! I'd be P I S S E D !!!

[papasan9]

Can you imagine all the people that paid $3500 for a PS3 on release day only to have the price dropped to near retail that weekend? Damn! I'd be P I S S E D !!!

this post was your 11,111th post.

yeah nicely put, i cant even imagin...

[Drayu]

some parents will pay what ever to satisfy their kids demands....these are the parents I want to bitch slap!

[Bonez]

local EB here has 15 in a store room

[StevenNevets]

Of course the PS3 isn't going to do good...
As a gaming system it just isn't that good, and who cares about blue-ray...


Pretty funny actualy...
PS3 has a low supply but an even lower demand.
Wii has a high supply and an even higher supply.
Ouch:smack:


They're everywhere Drayu! How on earth will we get rid of them all:flipoff:

[EANeuspeed]

some parents will pay what ever to satisfy their kids demands....these are the parents I want to bitch slap!


:lol:

[EANeuspeed]

Of course the PS3 isn't going to do good...
As a gaming system it just isn't that good, and who cares about blue-ray...


Pretty funny actualy...
PS3 has a low supply but an even lower demand.
Wii has a high supply and an even higher supply.
Ouch:smack:


They're everywhere Drayu! How on earth will we get rid of them all:flipoff:

Its because of the HIGH retail price. If it wasn't so damn expensive, it would knock xbox, and wii off the chart(my opinion).

[tHa_KhAn]

Its because of the HIGH retail price. If it wasn't so damn expensive, it would knock xbox, and wii off the chart(my opinion).

Sony did a smart thing along time ago. Every game used to come out on SNES and Genesis. You could count on it. Then starts coming the next gen consoles of that era. And shortly after Sony jumps into the fray with Sony only games. It doomed the other systems of the day. Sony had some great games that you could only get on PS. Well it's finally coming about, game companies are getting in on the act. EA bought up all the sports liscensing to release the only viable Football game and I think basketball stuff as well. However, the game companies are now not developing Sony only stuff. GTA, Metal Gear, and FF are all amazing games but GTA makes it to other platforms and are Metal Gear and FF worth paying for the most expensive system?(Yes I know the list is bigger and this oversimplified, but it still holds true)

The DVD player is what made PS2 rise above. If it was like the Dreamcast and an add-on it would never had been as big. With the HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray it won't be as big of an issue.

Take away those things and the PS3 and Xbox are the same, essential. Slight edge to PS3 in power, but slight edge to Microsoft in online content.

[CrockD]

Sony did a smart thing along time ago. Every game used to come out on SNES and Genesis. You could count on it. Then starts coming the next gen consoles of that era. And shortly after Sony jumps into the fray with Sony only games. It doomed the other systems of the day. Sony had some great games that you could only get on PS. Well it's finally coming about, game companies are getting in on the act. EA bought up all the sports liscensing to release the only viable Football game and I think basketball stuff as well. However, the game companies are now not developing Sony only stuff. GTA, Metal Gear, and FF are all amazing games but GTA makes it to other platforms and are Metal Gear and FF worth paying for the most expensive system?(Yes I know the list is bigger and this oversimplified, but it still holds true)

The DVD player is what made PS2 rise above. If it was like the Dreamcast and an add-on it would never had been as big. With the HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray it won't be as big of an issue.

Take away those things and the PS3 and Xbox are the same, essential. Slight edge to PS3 in power, but slight edge to Microsoft in online content.

Great post!

I agree with everything here. (and any of you subscribed to the Crock's Economics Thread know how snooty I can get about anything economic) In the past Sony forged a good strategic advantage based upon 2 (3) principles. 1. Hardware capabilities. 2. Sole License to Killer Apps. 3. This is kind of like #1 but slight different...competitive hardware.

The addition of a DVD player to the PS2 was very useful (I used it all the time instead of buying a sperate one). The actual hardware was probably not as good as the XBox, but it was in the ballpark and most importantly Sony had some terrific games that could only be played on the Playstation.

Only 1 of these holds true on the PS3. The addition of blue-ray is not equivelant to the addition of a DVD player because Blue-Ray is not the pre-existing established format for high def DVDs AND even if it was, how many are there anyway? It's not like the DVD era where we waited for companies to re-release movies in DVD, there is no HD translation because those movies were not filmed in HD (obviously) so it does not start with the tremendous advantage that PS2 did in that area. As Tha_Khan said, Sony's advantage in licensing simply isn't there any more. I LOVE MGS and FF, but that so far is the only reason I am even thinking of buying a PS3 and it's simply not a good enough reason. The technology is certainly there and as the PS3 matures developers will start to really utilize its abilities so it retains that aspect, but at $600+ you really have to wonder if that's enough reason to buy it.

With the PS3 Sony has proven that it is possible to price yourself out of the market and that gamers do in fact have a cap on how much they will or can spend. When the Ebay price dropped to mkt value in a week and a half (the PS2 went 3 months before it did) I knew they were in trouble. The war is not over yet, but clearly Sony have lost the release battle. They lost to Microsoft when Microsoft beat them to the release date. they lost to Nintendo when Nintendo..Yes Nintendo!!! outsold them with a later release date.

My attitude originally was: I will buy one, then I will probably buy one, then I will wait and see and now I think it is unlikely I will buy one in the next 3 years. Instead I will save my money for my new PC in a few months when I collaborate with Drayu and Gorro (If they're still up for it) to have a WiH build day.

Oh and one final thing. Consoles have evolved so that online play is now one of the major principles of winning a console war. It was a minor advantage for Microsoft with XBox, now it is a major advantage with XBox 360.

[LordBeer]

Sony did a smart thing along time ago. Every game used to come out on SNES and Genesis. You could count on it. Then starts coming the next gen consoles of that era. And shortly after Sony jumps into the fray with Sony only games.

I thought Nintendo started that concept. Mario, Metroid, and Zelda have only been on Nintendo systems as far as I know. :dunno:

[CrockD]

I thought Nintendo started that concept. Mario, Metroid, and Zelda have only been on Nintendo systems as far as I know. :dunno:

Actually Atari did. They made their own games (and made a killing). Then as games got more complex and expensive to make, companies started to form that exclusively made games. The money in the gaming market is generated almost soley from software so console makers would license games to their system and share the profits with the software companies. This approach mitigated risk for both companies and provided better games. Atari learned the hard way what could happen with bad software. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial was the biggest video game flop of all time, losing Atari millions (In 1982) and ending up with 2 million catridges buried in a landfill Alamogordo, New Mexico. It is considered the game that broke Atari's back.

Companies of course, do still produce their own games, but with limits to how much risk they will take. Microsoft is in a unique situation because software is its first, middle and last name. If Microsoft manages to put out a few more killer apps with the XBox 360 than they did with the XBox they stand to make a tidy profit even if they go on to lose this round of the console wars.

[tHa_KhAn]

I thought Nintendo started that concept. Mario, Metroid, and Zelda have only been on Nintendo systems as far as I know. :dunno:

Yeah, but the marketing in my opinion was not the same. Also the Mario and Zelda fab already had it's niche. You already played one of those games. You were either into it or not and already tried it.(everyone knew someone with some Nintendo product). Where PSone and PS2, those games were new, fresh, and never before seen. So there was a draw that didn't exist. The Nintendo games have and still are more family fun oriented. Even my mom liked Zelda. THe Sony games were far more oriented to the teenage and up hardcore gamer bracket. The ones that would actually pony up big money. Problem is Sony made a critical mistake assuming people who are complaining about a 300 dollar Xbox(My premium was 312 shipped by Overstock) would be willing to spend twice as much to reach an equivalent. As mentioned before, Blu-Ray is not and probably won't be DVD. Also Sony has gotten alot of bad press lately, with their Rootkit incident and alot of other incidents where it's Sony only or die attitude.

In simplier terms, Sony is a crack dealer that beats you down for buying from them. Instead of beating you down for buying from the guy on the other corner.

I saw an article where Microsoft is not even trying to compete with the Wii. The assumption is that a consumer would rather spend 300 on a Xbox, 200 on a Wii and then if they have to have it 2-300 on the HD-DVD ad on. You'd get way more for about the same price even less if you consider 0-day pricing. The 360 is for the hardcore gaming and entertainment center, the Wii is for the "fun" gaming and you have way more choices.

[StevenNevets]

Zelda was on Atari at a point, but it was a horrible version.


Of course PS3 could compete if the price was lower but would they win, still don't think so.

[=HR=Gumby!!!]

The 360 is for the hardcore gaming and entertainment center, the Wii is for the "fun" gaming and you have way more choices.

And that's exactly why I love nintendo. Because is the "fun" what it's all about anyway, right?

I got to play a Wii a few days ago and it was a blast. It's the only console I've actually wanted in a long time.