360: Gears of War Retail thread

[wihadmin]

So from the other thread, looks like the follow people will be getting Gears of War.


wihadmin - Impostor1971
kir kanos - kir kanos88
kernel error - Kernel Error
bonez - bonez321
multiplex - LimitedWish
knottwobad - Knot2bad
iChix - Awea


Let's try to get together online for some 2 vs 2 or 4 vs. pubbers multipler games sometime in the next couple of days.

Also use this thread to post anything related to the game starting today.

[Bonez]

i'm good for next monday and tuesday, and maby before work friday(backshift :()

[wihadmin]

From IGN review...

Yes, the Locust are a mean bunch, and beating Gears on hardcore is a gaming achievement anyone could be proud of.

Bring it on!!!

PS. It would be cool to hook up with one of you guys to do Insane in co-op mode!

[Multiplex]

I'm up for Coop or DM! I'll be off the next two days so I'll be on for like 48 hours straight.

[Ichi]

If it's got co-op I will pick it up tomorrow.

[Bonez]

good, you can be on the backshift with me beating the game in CO-OP tomorrow or thursday night.

[Kev Kanos]

So from the other thread, looks like the follow people will be getting Gears of War.

wihadmin - Impostor1971
kir kanos - kir kanos88
kernel error - kir kanos88
bonez - bonez321
multiplex - LimitedWish

Let's try to get together online for some 2 vs 2 or 4 vs. pubbers multipler games sometime in the next couple of days.

Also use this thread to post anything related to the game starting today.



Hey, Kernal and Kir have the same Live screen name. What are the odds of that? :lol: :slap:

[Knottwobad]

I paid for the game tonight and I can pick it up tomorrow night.

[wihadmin]

If it's got co-op I will pick it up tomorrow.

Very cool Ichi. Co-op on Hardcore or Insane should be wicked bc you can revive each other. Doing single-player on Insane, I've read, is insane!!!

Hey, Kernal and Kir have the same Live screen name. What are the odds of that? :lol: :slap:

hehehe. Sorry about that. I fixed it now. Kernel Error didn't want to co-operate with my cut&paste.

I paid for the game tonight and I can pick it up tomorrow night.

Cool! Once again, my jedi mind trick worked on Knottwobad!

[Knottwobad]

Very cool Ichi. Co-op on Hardcore or Insane should be wicked bc you can revive each other. Doing single-player on Insane, I've read, is insane!!!



hehehe. Sorry about that. I fixed it now. Kernel Error didn't want to co-operate with my cut&paste.



Cool! Once again, my jedi mind trick worked on Knottwobad!

Actually it was the Gamespot videos that convinced me the guys shoting from cover is the neatest thing I have seen in games. I also ordered COD3 while I was there which also comes out tomorrow.

[Kernel Error]

well i picked up mine around 3:30 today and got to play for about 40 min before having to take the kiddo to karate practice. i just got off of some multiplayer matches and they are fun but not a whole lot of team work going on. so when ever yall get this let me know its lonly right now.

[wihadmin]

Something's going on with the shipments to West Coast Gamestop/EB games. I don't think any of the stores in CA have recieved their shipments yet. I'm still waiting. Most likely I'll get it tomorrow after work.

[Bonez]

now you know how it feels to be on the way east coast.

[wihadmin]

w00t! Got the game and the wireless headset.

[wihadmin]

Just got done playing co-op with Kernel Error on Hardcore. Wickedly fun and hard!

Co-op is super easy to set up. Just play single-player, invite a friend and *poof*, he's in-game!

Now I gotta work on my mindset in the game from run 'n gun of BF2 to one of taking cover and shooting from cover.

[Multiplex]

So how are the controls, graphics, the AI, and the weapons? Give us the scoop!

[Multiplex]

NM, I just picked up my copy of the game!

EB Games only got shipped 50% of their preorder quantity! I walked in 5 minutes after they opened this morning and got the last copy they had, they won't have any more for at least a week she told me.

Woo... and a free poster to boot. :)

[wihadmin]

I was afraid of that my EB Games also didn't get in enough. Seeing as to how I fully pre-paid for the game from my trade-ins, I wanted to make sure I got mine. I stopped by their store 10min before closing and picked up my copy last nite. Glad to hear you got yours too. I didn't get a poster with mine, although I only bought the plain vanilla version.

Game is pretty intense. It's like you're going from one firefight to the next. On Hardcore, you can't pop-out for more than a second or so w/o getting hit. I died like 10 times in Training stage. Then Kernel Error joined up to play co-op. That was pretty fun. Even with 2 people, it was still a challenge to do. I ran out of ammo for my rifle a few times. The pistol was very accurate and pretty decent for headshotting the Horde drones.

Graphics: Very gothic looking. Color pallette is gray and cloudy. Very gloomy. They did a really good job with painting each stage. Everything looked war-torn, like a big battled occurred there not too long ago. Blood splatters, limbs get severed, rifles overheat and creates the heat dissipation visual. The only thing I noticed as odd was that sometimes, just sometimes, when you kill a Horde, the ragdoll physics would throw them forwrd instead of backwards. It's kinda weird to see that. The soldiers look big, dumb, mean, and totally badass!

Audio: I tried with my Triton 5.1 headset. Surround is excellent with clear distinct directionals. Gun fire is loud, crisp, and clear. Then I put it on my receiver. Woah! That opened up a whole range of bass frequencies. The horde soldiers grunts and growl with deep booming bass. The rifles produce a deep thumping rumbling bass that gives you the feeling that each bullet is a small explosion coming out of your rifle. The chainsaw rev's up and squishes the flesh when carving thru bodies. The music queues up to match the action and dies down when the action sequences end. It fits in so much that I don't even notice the music, but it does definitely set the mood and the tempo of a particular sequence.

Gameplay: great! Took a little bit of getting used to. I can't charge head on, circle strafe and live. I have to take cover, pop up to shoot and duck down behind cover again. Then dive to the next cover to flank and kill. While you'r doing that, the Horde will also try to flank you. So you've got to keep your eyes open on your flanks as well. Sometimes they'll try to rush you. They also use distraction as a way to get you to pop-up and then they shoot you from a different angle.

This is an excellent game that makes you feel like you're in an Arnold movie or The Rock movie. If you like action shooters, you owe it to yourself to experience this game.

[Multiplex]

My review:

Graphics: Gorgeous... that's all there is to say really. The explosions are nice and the weapon effects are cool. Everything is sharp but at the same time dingy in an apocalyptic sort of way.

Artistic: Feel very Dawn of War'ish with oversized power armor suits, massive weapons which make you feel like a badass. Soldiers are scarred, burned, and look like they have seen 14 years of war (as they have). It's got the cyber-punk, post apocalyptic dawn of war thing down pat.

Sound: Great thundering weapons, cool music, the voice acting is by and large good. The room shakes when I cook off a grenade and the music gives great atmosphere to the fights.

Movement: The movement techniques and cover in this game rock the casbah. You have to duck, leaning, combat roll, duck/run to survive. Linking moves together is easy with the directional pad and graphic assist gui... After a few minutes of playing around I was able to duck and sprint forward under fire, combat roll to a position with my back to the barricade, jump sideways and lean around the corner to put the butt of my rifle into the bad guys face. Pretty ****ing intense.

You can definitely play aggressively and live... when you run out of ammo the melee attacks are not worthless like they are in some other games.

Summary: If you have a 360 this is a must have game. If you don't have a 360 this is a reason to get one.

[wihadmin]

KE and I sliced and diced quite a few bad guys last nite! That's always fun. Oh and I curbstomped some Horde dude. Crunch! That was awesome!

[Bonez]

at the earliest i'll be on tonight, latest sometime tommorow.

but it's promising, the line for the EB where i bought it at is busy.

[wihadmin]

Let's get some Execution multiplayer vs games going fellas! I want to stomp on some heads!

[Kir Kanos]

I'm so mad i went to gamestop yesterday and they said it would be in today. But today Fedx screwed up and didn't ship any to my store where i preordered!! they said maybe tonight but more likely tomorrow! So pissed!!!!

[Tykwer]

The only thing I noticed as odd was that sometimes, just sometimes, when you kill a Horde, the ragdoll physics would throw them forwrd instead of backwards. It's kinda weird to see that.

i've seen that happen in css too on very rare occasion and it is bizzare to see, but i guess it's not all that uncommon a problem if different games have the same problem.

[Kernel Error]

well ive been playing since around 8:30 this morning and i have finally gotten to the final boss and he is kicking my ass. he is covered in kril and has these damn reavers that fly next to you shooting you too. man im going to give it rest for a bit (since i have to pick up the kiddo soon) and try again tonight. If any of yall have reached that point let me know and we can try and finnish this bastard off.

[Kir Kanos]

so how long did it take you to get to that point? sounds like a short game

[wihadmin]

This game is estimated at 8-10 hours on Casual and 10-12 hours on Hardcore I think. It's a short game for sure. Then you open up Insane mode...

[Knottwobad]

So do you have to be at the same level to help them out?

[wihadmin]

So do you have to be at the same level to help them out?

I think I read soemwhere that you do not have to be at the same level.

[Knottwobad]

I think I read soemwhere that you do not have to be at the same level.

I probably helps though since you would know more what to expect.

[Kernel Error]

I probably helps though since you would know more what to expect.


no you dont have to be at the same lvl since i was on playing with wihadmin lastnight and i was already pretty far in the game.

Oh and that 8 - 10 hours is without all the restarts of the levels your having problems with :D i know i played one level probably about 10 times, but there a plenty of save points so you never really feel that youve lost much in the way of progress.

[wihadmin]

auto-checkpoints FTW!!!

That was cool last nite just before I logged off. I was running around with the chainsaw buzzing slicing all those things coming down from the ceiling... until you got killed, then they all gangraped me.

[Knottwobad]

I have the same problem as Kir Kanos. Fed-Ex left there shipment sitting on a dock in Mississippi and maybe it will be there tomorrow. So I gues I am playing COD3 tonight instead.

[Kir Kanos]

I have the same problem as Kir Kanos. Fed-Ex left there shipment sitting on a dock in Mississippi and maybe it will be there tomorrow. So I gues I am playing COD3 tonight instead.

Yup its going to be tomoorw around lunch time until i'll have it but i work all day tomorrow! Gamestop rep said they'll knock of $5 for the trouble. Wow 5 dollars!

[wihadmin]

I've got to try Active Reloads.

Active Reload
An optional mini-game based on reloading click timing can either improve your weapons damage temporarilly or - if done badly - jam your weapon for a second. Jamming is also accompanied by a curse / noise - making it a tactical queue to your enemies and allies alike! It will work like so; you press the RB to begin reloading - somewhere during the reload process (marked by a vertical bar moving across the ammo indicator, left to right) the ammo indicator will flash for a fraction of a second - hit the RB again to receive the bonus (decreased reload time and increased damage). The damage affect will last to the end of the current clip, or for X seconds (ie you if your out of combat for a while the bonus is lost). The muzzle flash will include a blue heat edge to it to indicate the extra power. Every consecutive time you attempt active reload it becomes harder to time correctly.

[KAstickboy]

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/news.php?i=1255

just thought id share this with you GOW guys... wallpaper drawn by the CAD artist...

KA

[wihadmin]

That's cool! Thanks for the link!!

[Kernel Error]

oh yeah active reloads FTW man ive been able to take out guys a lot faster when i have that suped up ammo

also if you change weapons when the enhanced ammo you will loose it.

[wihadmin]

damn! A lot of people are pissed off at FedEx and EB/GS over the late shipments.

http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15

[Multiplex]

Anyone wanna do some coop right now? I haven't had a chance to really try it out.

[Kernel Error]

i will im about to sign on anyway :D

[wihadmin]

We only need 1 more player and we can do 4 vs 4 multiplayer.

Btw, the execution mode is pretty fun! Curb-stomp and chainsaw FTW!

Kernel is a madman, diving, ducking, slicing, dicing, stomping his way around all foes. I got first hand experience many times tonite!

[vonkroll]

Ok you gits stop it, GoW is not out here until the 17th :(

But i have it preordered so might get it a day or two earlier. But untill then ....

[Prowler130]

i just want to say, the commercial for this game looks wonderful and makes me want to hit the streets and sell myself in order to get money to buy a 360 and get this game...

[Kernel Error]

i just want to say, the commercial for this game looks wonderful and makes me want to hit the streets and sell myself in order to get money to buy a 360 and get this game...

Do it Prowler.... do it.... do it .... do it.

I think this game may be well worth you losing you Mangina viginity :lol:

[wihadmin]

The multiplayer maps are pretty cool! Lots of cover to hide behind. Lots of corners to peek out from. Ledges, stairs help you get an angle on your enemies. I'm very impressed with the map designs, their look, and their ambiance.

Sniper rifle is wickedly cool and powerful! Headshots are exploding shower of blood and skull fragments. Then the headless body collapse to its knees and finally to the ground.

I wish that we can do 5 vs 5. The extra players would have just added an extra level of intensity.

Loving this game!

[Kir Kanos]

i just want to say, the commercial for this game looks wonderful and makes me want to hit the streets and sell myself in order to get money to buy a 360 and get this game...

Come on prowler find a way man! You can do it!

[Multiplex]

The multiplayer maps are pretty cool! Lots of cover to hide behind. Lots of corners to peek out from. Ledges, stairs help you get an angle on your enemies. I'm very impressed with the map designs, their look, and their ambiance.

Sniper rifle is wickedly cool and powerful! Headshots are exploding shower of blood and skull fragments. Then the headless body collapse to its knees and finally to the ground.

I wish that we can do 5 vs 5. The extra players would have just added an extra level of intensity.

Loving this game!

What I noticed (and loved) is that whenever you're behind cover and receiving heavy fire... you actually feel the panic of being flanked. I saw guys in MP trying to go around the side but I had heavy fire on me and I was like, "Oh shit, I'm cooked if I don't move or something!"

[Ichi]

Picked it up today.:thumbsup:

[Kernel Error]

Cant wait untill we can get a WiH Mp game going

[wihadmin]

Cant wait untill we can get a WiH Mp game going

You're just itching to gut into the rest of the WiH guys with your gaddamm chainsaw! I know it! I would love to curb-stomp Bonez. :flipoff: :D

[Kernel Error]

You're just itching to gut into the rest of the WiH guys with your gaddamm chainsaw! I know it! I would love to curb-stomp Bonez. :flipoff: :D

yeah that about sums it up :D

[wihadmin]

Hey Kernel - Wanna team up tonite and kick some pubbers' asses? Between you gutting and me sniping, we should clean up.

Anyone else want in?

[APOC]

grr you guys are tempting me to go buy a 360 and this game...

APOC

[Kernel Error]

Hey Kernel - Wanna team up tonite and kick some pubbers' asses? Between you gutting and me sniping, we should clean up.

Anyone else want in?

hell yeah ill be on after 7:30 central. have to wait to put my kid to bed before i can play this game lol. He already is drawing giant robots shooting ppl from me playing chromehounds around him.

[wihadmin]

hell yeah ill be on after 7:30 central. have to wait to put my kid to bed before i can play this game lol. He already is drawing giant robots shooting ppl from me playing chromehounds around him.

My son saids, "Mech" everytime he saw my hound. Then I'd open up the CH manual and he'd point to the pics of the hounds and say "mech".

[wihadmin]

Kernel - Check your Xbox network settings and make sure it saids NAT open. You might have some ports blocked that's why you can invite any of us and we can't join you in your game.

[Bonez]

oh just a FYI, i find sniping stupidly easy compared to every other game i've played.

[Kernel Error]

oh just a FYI, i find sniping stupidly easy compared to every other game i've played.

in pvp or single player?

[Bonez]

just the overall setup of the control.

and with the cover system it makes it that much easier to get people because they stick out.

[wihadmin]

Good shit tonite guys! Got to play with Knot, Kir, Kernel and a few other friends of mine in 4 vs 4 Execution matches.

I hate you Kernel! Stop sawing me!!!

[Kir Kanos]

Good shit tonite guys! Got to play with Knot, Kir, Kernel and a few other friends of mine in 4 vs 4 Execution matches.

I hate you Kernel! Stop sawing me!!!

Agreed, i have trouble winning a duel with the chainsaw! lol. Good stuff guys!

[Kir Kanos]

Hey just found this. Kinda intense and gives a cool look on the background of the story.

http://gearsofwar.com/Emergenceday/

[vonkroll]

I SAID STOP IT YOU Ba$*%^'s.

I hate you yanks :(

and no i am not bitter in any form or manner at all.

[Knottwobad]

Good shit tonite guys! Got to play with Knot, Kir, Kernel and a few other friends of mine in 4 vs 4 Execution matches.

I hate you Kernel! Stop sawing me!!!

First, sorry Vonkroll but this is what happens when an American company realeases the game.

Yes, I had a blast last night. Sorry I left so abruptly but I hit the back button by accident and got disconnected from the group and then realized what time it was and just decied to call it a night. It was somewhat satisfying to give someone the final blow by stomping the foot down on their head to execute them. Kernal was just crazy with that chain saw. Each time I thought I had him with the spray and pray and he would end up slicing and dicing me instead.:thumbsup:

[FiLTHY_SNiPER]

So.. is this game as crazy and drool-inducing as you guys hoped?

[wihadmin]

The single player or co-op on hardcore is crazy! The multiplayer is slower and more calculated. The satisfaction in multiplayer is in the flanking of your opponents and then killing them. I executed about 5 guys last nite with a pistol shot to the head while they cowered in fear before me. hahaha! Ok. that's a bit of fantasy, but I did execute 5 guys with my pistol.

[f1sh3r]

i really need to go pick this up.

[Sirus]

Just got it the other day. Great game. The name is Sirus89 in it.

[Max47r]

Just got it the other day. Great game. The name is Sirus89 in it.
ya i noticed, yesterday and the day before you were on almost constantly

but so was I:lol:

[wihadmin]

Had my first encounter of the swarms of black birds on the level where I had to get across the river via that hand cranked raft. Those black birds are nasty!

[Bonez]

yea, they are pretty hardcore if your not careful.

[Knottwobad]

Had my first encounter of the swarms of black birds on the level where I had to get across the river via that hand cranked raft. Those black birds are nasty!

You had a taste in that co-op you did with me in act 5 on casual when battling RAAM. Remdember the guy had those things flying around his head they ate you all up when you moved into a dark area? Wait until the part where you have to drive that damn vehicle while evading them and shooting them with the UV gun.

[wihadmin]

Sounds like a challenge! I've been doing this single handed and getting my arse kicked around. But it's all good fun though!

[Multiplex]

You had a taste in that co-op you did with me in act 5 on casual when battling RAAM. Remdember the guy had those things flying around his head they ate you all up when you moved into a dark area? Wait until the part where you have to drive that damn vehicle while evading them and shooting them with the UV gun.

That car part is so annoying.

[Bonez]

i'm fighting raam right now, it's a pain in the ass.

[Kernel Error]

Sounds like a challenge! I've been doing this single handed and getting my arse kicked around. But it's all good fun though!

invite me next time you see me on im mostly doing multi player now or considering trying the game on Insane difficulty but still not sure im up for that lol.

[Knottwobad]

i'm fighting raam right now, it's a pain in the ass.

I read something on IGN about tossing a grenade to make the black birds disperse from around his head and then using the sniper rifle to headshot him but I never got around to trying it before I restarted in hardcore mode. It said that the birds prevent you from hitting his head which is the onyl place he is vulnerable.

[Bonez]

i know about the nades and sniper, but the biggest issue is when the birds come back and the switch time between nade and sniper.

[vonkroll]

woot i get my copy tomorrow morning!!!

And am off work all day, well except the part where i have to go in and find out
if i we still have jobs :(

So just may be in a real bad mode and looking kill things....

[wihadmin]

oooo!!!! fresh meat for my chain saw! Welcome to wihadmin's butcher shop Vonkroll.

[Kernel Error]

I read something on IGN about tossing a grenade to make the black birds disperse from around his head and then using the sniper rifle to headshot him but I never got around to trying it before I restarted in hardcore mode. It said that the birds prevent you from hitting his head which is the onyl place he is vulnerable.


yeah the nades make the birds move and they damage him at the same time. I dont know how much damage but then you have a few seconds to shoot him with the sniper rifle. and if you throw the nade and switch before it blows you have plenty of time to shoot. When he gets close is when it gets hard cause you have to run to the other side of the car while avoiding his gun and the birds.

[wihadmin]

coworker of mine said using the explosive arrow accomplishes both, driving away the birds and damaging him.

[Knottwobad]

How many times do you have to hit him?

[wihadmin]

How many times do you have to hit him?

dunno. invite me next time Knot and we'll tackle him together.

[Knottwobad]

That's a deal man. I have tried both the bow and the sniper along with grenades and still cannot waste the bastard on casual.

[Knottwobad]

Well VonKroll and I managed to take out RAAM somehow. He had the bow and I had the Sniper Rifle. He would blow away the Kryll and I would head shot him. at one point during the initial attempts I was able to kill him by using the melee attack from behind with a grenade but VonKroll ending up dying so it said mission failed. On the one where we got him Vonkroll was on the opposite side of the rail car with the bow and I kept getting his attention. It was pretty satisfying even on Casual. I can't imagine what this guy is like on Hardcore or Insane levels.

[wihadmin]

COngrats Knot!

[vonkroll]

Yeah and me as well.....

[Knottwobad]

Yeah and me as well.....

Yeah VonKroll finished too. I think that is a neat part of this game that you can hook up with someone else and if you finish an act with that person you have that count in your game as well even if it was they that started and invited you.

[CassiusMelacor]

I am finally back from my TDY with a spiffy new 360, and some games including GoW. I invited the people listed in the first post as friends. My name is the same as it is here... and everywhere for that matter. ;)

Edit: Name is Cassius Melacor

[Kernel Error]

Looky what i found
Gears of War trilogy confirmed? Source: A GameDaily interview with Jeff Bell, Microsoft's corporate vice president of global marketing.

What we heard: Though it might not be Halo 3, there's little question that Gears of War is a monster hit for the Xbox 360. Less than two weeks after its release, the game surpassed Halo 2 as the most-played title on Xbox Live. It has topped charts in the UK, and was second only to The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess on Bestbuy.com's sales rankings for the week of November 13-19. As of November 21, two weeks after its release, over 1 million units of the game had sold worldwide.

In addition to its popular success, Gears of War is also arguably the best-reviewed game of the year. Besides earning a 9.6 from GameSpot--tying the Xbox 360 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion as the highest-rated game of 2006--Epic Games' shooter enjoys a sparkling 95 metascore on Metacritic, which averages dozens of game-review Web sites' ratings.

Given Gears of War's ability to tickle critics and mint money, a sequel is a near-certainty. However, the GameDaily interview with Bell appears to reveal Microsoft has even grander plans for the game. When outlining his company's holiday ad blitz, the marketing guru gushed about Gears' burgeoning popularity. "Gears of War is a popular culture phenomenon in the making," he said, referencing a semi-controversial television advertisement. "The goal of this ad is to establish Marcus Fenix as the hero of the Gears of War trilogy. The intention is to create emotional connection with him that is lacking in typical third-person action title marketing." (Emphasis added.)

The official story: "Whenever a title enjoys the type of attention Gears of War is receiving, there is bound to be speculation and discussion about future installments. While we are discussing future plans for this very exciting franchise, we have not made any formal announcements."--Microsoft rep.

Bogus or not bogus?: Though it might be a ways off--the original took over two years to develop--Gears of War 2 is pretty much a lock, particularly given its (SPOILER ALERT) cliffhanger ending (END SPOILER). As for a third, Bell's words appear to unofficially confirm comments made by Epic's meteoric lead designer Cliff Bleszinski, who has said on numerous occasions he wants to make Gears a trilogy along the lines of Halo. Now, it would appear Microsoft does too, though they're not talking about it openly...yet.

[SneakOne]

dont forget me

gamertag: SneakOne

[FiLTHY_SNiPER]

Can you believe it? I played this game at my buddy's house and I was thoroughly unimpressed. The gameplay I found to be just bland and the graphics are kind of monotone. They're detailed don't get me wrong (duh, UE3), but I found them to be uninspiring and cold.

What can I say, I'm sort of glad I didn't get an XBOX :P

[Bonez]

cmon now, it's Gothic architecture, it's supposed to cold :p

[Kir Kanos]

Can you believe it? I played this game at my buddy's house and I was thoroughly unimpressed. The gameplay I found to be just bland and the graphics are kind of monotone. They're detailed don't get me wrong (duh, UE3), but I found them to be uninspiring and cold.

What can I say, I'm sort of glad I didn't get an XBOX :P

You must have been smoking crack. You need to see it on a lcd on 1080i res.

[Multiplex]

This game blows my mind every time I sit down to play it... I'm playing it at 1080i on a 52" DLP.

[FiLTHY_SNiPER]

Yeah I'm thinkin maybe I need to give it another go.

It's either that, or I just can't use the controller for a 3rd/1st person shooter. Mouse all the way.

[CassiusMelacor]

The simplicity of the controls (A for almost everything) is nice. I miss using a mouse when I play it though as I can't whip around as quickly as I would like. I would like to see more players in a game at once. I am not sure if the limit is for 'good gameplay', the hardware can't handle the load, and/or people expect console multiplayer to have so few players at once. Maybe I am used to BF2 and the like where 63 other people can join in on the fun. Overall it is not that bad of a game.

[Bonez]

might have something to do with the dumb puppies on "cheapo-dsl" trying to host games with more then they can hold.

seen it enough, GRAW most pub games consist of a host on his "killer" dsl with 4mbps down(mind you the up is what counts) and blames everyone in the room for lag(created by his weak ass upstream) and kicks everyone.

remember, some people are "noobs at the internet", and if you don't noob proof it, it brings down the game experience for the non-noobs.