Medieval TW 2

[vonkroll]

Just let you guys know the demo is out :)

[LordBeer]

Bitchin'! It might be a good day afterall. :thumbsup: Thanks for the info.

[juuh77]

yes the game kicks. good info .

[deRougemont]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeet!!!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[[W33T] Canadian23]

LINK OMG i been watching this game since i first heard about it and did not hear about this....dam school

[Fovos]

can u put the file here if you download the demo...i hate waitting.pls

[vonkroll]

i just got the demo from fileplanet, but if anyone needs it i can talk to snake about hosting it.

As per the nor with the total war game demos it's only 2 historic battles you
get to play with in the demo. But it's still good.

[[W33T] Canadian23]

i got it of flieshack i like the demo but i want more i too used to the huge scale not this but fun to watch the battle with all the cool moves they do. can't wait for this game to come out... we must vs each other online once.

[Kennel-Dog]

I was really looking forward to this but it wont work of me. I get an error message everytime I try to launch it. :dunno:

[LordBeer]

I'm getting that error message as well Kennel. Dunno whats up. I'm going to try and reinstall it. If that doesn't work, I'll try to download it again.

This sucks, I want to try that game out badly.

[deRougemont]

Wow, this demo is impressive. I eagerly await the release date. This is the sort of high quality stuff that the 2142 demo should've been. I only wish they would've given us a taste of what the campaign map will be like. I looks very similar to RTW's map, but I hope they've improved the campaign gameplay, which the claim they have. At any rate, so far IMO the level of advance from RTW to MTW2 is as drastic as the advance made from MTW1 to RTW. Yeah, its that much better. My high end machine was really bogging down with all settings maxed out. There is just so much attention to detail and realism on the battlemaps! GOOD WORK SEGA!

:thumbsup::D

[Kennel-Dog]

I'm getting that error message as well Kennel. Dunno whats up. I'm going to try and reinstall it. If that doesn't work, I'll try to download it again.

This sucks, I want to try that game out badly.

LB, I uninstalled it and then downloaded it again and done a fresh install to a different drive and I'm still getting the error.

[LordBeer]

Ugh.. I just got done trying it out myself and I have nothing positive to report.

Well, I'll be sure to let you know if I find anything.

**EDIT Kennel, do you happen to use an AMD processor with a Barton core?

[LordBeer]

It looks like you need a CPU with SSE2 support to play the demo. Info is kinda spotty on that and there really hasnt been an 'official' statement from Sega. You can tell that is what they are pointing at on their forums though.

There were others who reported problems but the SSE2 thing seems to be the big one.

[Kennel-Dog]

It looks like you need a CPU with SSE2 support to play the demo. Info is kinda spotty on that and there really hasnt been an 'official' statement from Sega. You can tell that is what they are pointing at on their forums though.

There were others who reported problems but the SSE2 thing seems to be the big one.

Yep thats it mate. I got a barton core XP :( . I hope they can (or will) do something about it before full release.

[deRougemont]

Yep thats it mate. I got a barton core XP :( . I hope they can (or will) do something about it before full release.

Kennel and LBeer, did you guys read the readme.txt file? Might be some info there. I glanced through it and saw that the those with ATI's version of SLI (I think its called crossfire or something) had to be disabled to play the game. There might be some other hints there. Just a thought... Too bad though guys, I had no problems at all getting the game to work. I have a system built around Nvidia and AMD FX. Good luck...

[LordBeer]

:lol: I wish I had a crossfire setup. I did read though the readme though.

It seems like everyone with an XP chipset is out of luck. I just hope they change this for the actual release of the full game. I wont be upgrading anytime soon and I'd hate to miss out on this game.

[[W33T] Canadian23]

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some screens form the demo that i played. game looks sw33t.

quailty went down a little but still look good.

[[W33T] Canadian23]

Ok i bring up this game again... it is due to come out around nov 14 and the 1st reviews are coming in.http://pc.ign.com/articles/744/744731p1.html

the game sounds looks and feels great, and i know i will waste time playing this game.

anyone else picking up this gem so we can face of in multplay.

[vonkroll]

i know i will, but maybe not this month, spent to much on games already.

if not i will get it next month

[LordBeer]

They released a 2nd demo and this one works for me! Yay! Runs pretty well too! :thumbsup:

Can't wait for the real game to be released. I need to start cleaning up plenty of hard drive space though. I only have 2 gig's free and the game will need 11..

[vonkroll]

it's out over here in the UK, pity am broke till next month.
ah well early xmas present for my self then :)

[LordBeer]

I read a rumor that it was going to be in EB Games here in the US today. Although a phone call to them quickly dashed those hopes. Might give them another call this evening to see if it might have come in.

Just got done cleaning up enough room for it. Although I uninstalled the demo thinking I'd have the game today. Doh!

Can't wait to play this!:rockon:

[deRougemont]

Got mine today at Best Buy. Loading right now. If you take a look at what's being said at the Total War Center Forums it looks as if the AI in the retail version is rediculously stupid. This is funny considering how CA boasted that the AI would be almost impossible to beat on the hardest settings. Anyway, in a couple weeks CA is supposed to release its first big patch, mainly dealing with its crap AI. Here's the announcement:

http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotalwarfrm55.showMessage?topicID=6608.topi c

As with Rome, I thinks this game content-wise is going to be worthless without the work of independent modders. I really hope the guys at Rome: Total Realism plan to fix this game too. I remember playing the vanilla Rome for only a month. After that it was all mods, all the time!

[deRougemont]

I've just played MTW2 for a couple of hours. No crashes, no AI problems. Thank God. It also seems to have been optimized since the gold demo. I'm getting better performance even while using the "huge" unit option. The game is absolutely beautiful; so far it is a worthy successor to MTW1, my all time favorite game. Rock on!

[Knottwobad]

I am waiting for World in Conflict myself. I want a more modern day RTS. I also want a nuke.

[vonkroll]

I am waiting for World in Conflict myself. I want a more modern day RTS. I also want a nuke.

Knott just likes killing on a global scale, non of this sword and arrow crap.

And i will have to wait till next month for my copy :(

[LordBeer]

Got my copy at GameStop earlier today. Kinda cool, their edition of it comes with a History Channel DVD on the crusades and the soundtrack. Not a huge deal but I always liked the soundtracks from the Total War series. It's a nice little treat. Got the last copy they had. I think the rest of them were reserved.

Can't really say much on the game, only played for an hour. Seemed to run rather well though. It did seem quite a bit like Rome but thats not really a bad thing. Anyway, I'm going to go powergame now. :D

Knott - You want nukes? There is always Defcon! Not quite as deep as Total War, but still... :thumbsup:

[[W33T] Canadian23]

parents say i don't get it till xmas dam i got to wait...

[deRougemont]

After several hours of play I can say that there was some AI passivity. Also, on some turns I couldn't open the construction menus. But, with the next turn everything was back to normal. Nevertheless, the AI now flanks. It also charges cavalry, then backs out to do another charge. A little smarter in that sense. Evidently the patch will be quite big, so I'm waiting with great expectations for what else CA can give us. I give it a A- right now.

[Multiplex]

Maybe someone could answer me this:

If I liked Rome: TW will I like M2: TW?

[deRougemont]

Maybe someone could answer me this:

If I liked Rome: TW will I like M2: TW?

Depends on what you liked about Rome. I played vanilla Rome for a couple months and then uninstalled it from my PC because I was so dissappointed. I felt they really jettisoned their concern about game content in order to focus on the visuals. The opposite was true for MTW1. It was ok visually, but very polished from the start content-wise, especially after all the fixes that came with the Vikings expansion.

But to the point: MTW2 puts a major smack-down on vanilla Rome. If you liked the crap CA gave you with Rome, you will have a gleeful heart attack when you start playing MTW2 (bugs and all). And you know how a hate a bug!!! When the patch comes out in a couple of weeks you will surely be stricken down with joy.

It is worth the money. Get it (this from the ringleader of 2142 haters).

[LordBeer]

Multi, if you liked Rome you'll probably like MW2. The game is beautiful. I played a skirmish game and did a fortress assault. WOW! The castle was freaking HUGE and looked incredible. Not looking forward to having to do that in the campaign though.

AI does seem a bit smarter, but I really haven't been slugging it out with foreign armies yet. Still taking over rebel towns. From what I've seen though, I think I'm in for a rude awakening. I'ma get beaten up for a while.

Overall it's a nice game. If you can play 2142 fairly well then it should run perfectly on your PC. Immersive, entertaining, and just gorgeous graphics. Haven't seen any game breaking bugs yet either.

I believe you would enjoy it Multi. :thumbsup: Dont forget GameStop if you want the little extras. Didn't cost anymore there but I bet it will be on sale at BestBuy and the like shortly.

[Klickinater]

stop it! you guys are giving me a heart attack. I wish it would download faster. I was shown this game by my brother a week ago and i can't stop watching demos of it online. I am so sure im getting this

EDIT now that i got the demo, well it's kind of dissapointing they only give you two battles. I mean after playing both about ten times they get kind of boring. Though I have to say, those pikes are vicious

[vonkroll]

Ok got my copy 2 days ago and have not been to sleep yet....
That includes going to work as well.... bye bye life

[LordBeer]

Hehe. I'm still in the extasy that is Total War. Have barely been playing my old favorites from EA. My campaign is around turn 140 and I'm doing well. Scotland, France, and the Dutch have all falen under my armies. The Pope is one of my guys and I'm set up to get the next one elected as well. The only problem I had was with the Mongols. They gave me a big boot in the ass 2 rounds after I took Jerusalem in a successful crusade. I stopped the 1st 1000 man army, but I couldn't stop the 2nd one. Going to be awhile before I'm able to repay the favor.

One problem with being this far in the campaign is that turns take a while. I do my stuff fairly quickly but then I have to watch the computer do all it's stuff. I know there is a setting to change that but I'd rather keep an eye on where hostile and 'allied' armies are marching. Oh well..

Can't wait till I get to the new world and begin to spread my pretty little hate machines all over the Americas. Still haven't gotten any aquebusier units yet. Looking forward to using those guys. Also, I haven't figured out how to get my longbow units to use the sharpened stake thing. I probably wouldn't use it much but I actually needed it in a recent fight.

[Klickinater]

Just a heads up, to get any gunners, you have to make them in the most advanced infantry training buildings in cities, not castles. Took me a while to figure that out. Talking about aquibusiers, i have a good story.

I was bring down some of my aquibusiers (about 7 units) from a upper town (I'm english) to a castle on my border with spain. When I was ambushed by a spanish army, in my own territory. Luckily I got to set up my troops (something went wrong?) and as most people can guess, guys with guns aren't so good with swords, and the spanish had swordsmen. So I line my troops up on a hill, four lines of them 2 in each line except for the last one (only one in it). One side of them was a cliff the other side was the end of the map. They couldn't flank me they could only attack straight on. So my gun men are firing at the crossbowmen, exchanging fire. Then the swordsmen line up in front of my men. Of course they are being shot at, but not many are dieing, its a ways away. So then they charge all 10 units of swords men, it was an impressive charge. I send all my men firing on them. Then the perfect moment came. The last line fired, the third line then the second line, each taking out a row of men from the line. Then right before the swords men hit my lines (I thought I was done for) the first line shot, and got maximium effect. Two rows down with one volley, sent the men running. Then the last row was ready again and the rain of fire came down on the retreating men and they were cut to pieces. So I find out that aquibusiers can stand up for them selves, though makes sure theres no calvery, because thats a no no

[juuh77]

The game cheats like hell. I had everything goin just right all my towns well defended 6 full field armys 22 total settlements and i was on the verge of killing everything in sight. Was actually making enough to support my whole army and have like 4 grand coming in each month. The next round every settlement i had pluse all generals got the plague and my income went from 4k to - 5000 at the very next round. my armys in the field lost tons of troops. I have been hard pressed to play it at all since this has come to pass.

[vonkroll]

Yup problem of living in the middle ages, plague i wonder if your city squaler level where very high. I also find just as i have built up a nice force the bastard turns traitor on my as well, oh well.

Mind you i now control pretty much of europe apart from the south of France, Spain and Italy. And I control eastern europe and the holy lands plus Cairo, Alexandra, Acra and Damascos. Still no firearm soliders, but lots of big cannons :)

Oh and it's still only 1250AD

[juuh77]

lol yeah the squaler lvl was low i took time to make sure i had all ends covered. thats what pisses me off so bad. had i got it on just on continent i wouldn't have been so po'ed. but i got it on all at one time so yeah talk about crap. lol

[LordBeer]

Have to be carefull if one of your cities gets the plague.. Keep everyone in that city or it will spread. Although the real black death did just spread though about a 1/3rd of my cities after the plague died down in the one city. :dunno: I'm not loosing cash, but my population is going down at considerable rate.

Anyway, the Mongol Horde shall soon feel the wrath of the Lord! Hail Beer! His excellence the Pope would expect no less. Those Mongols have a smack down of biblical proportions heading their way.

(I love the campaign in this game)

[[W33T] JimmytehHand8]

The game cheats like hell. I had everything goin just right all my towns well defended 6 full field armys 22 total settlements and i was on the verge of killing everything in sight. Was actually making enough to support my whole army and have like 4 grand coming in each month. The next round every settlement i had pluse all generals got the plague and my income went from 4k to - 5000 at the very next round. my armys in the field lost tons of troops. I have been hard pressed to play it at all since this has come to pass.

I remember than in the original Midieval War they'd dump like 6 full armies and a Max starred General into an area if you conquered a country. Aparently the general was the "long lost heir" of that country and had returned after like 50 turns to retake his country.

[juuh77]

Have to be carefull if one of your cities gets the plague.. Keep everyone in that city or it will spread. Although the real black death did just spread though about a 1/3rd of my cities after the plague died down in the one city. :dunno: I'm not loosing cash, but my population is going down at considerable rate.

Anyway, the Mongol Horde shall soon feel the wrath of the Lord! Hail Beer! His excellence the Pope would expect no less. Those Mongols have a smack down of biblical proportions heading their way.

(I love the campaign in this game)

hehe the first faction i went after was the papacy. Got fed up with losing generals to heiracy. so i marched 6 full armys down and wiped it off the map first.

[LordBeer]

You do realize that the papacy will probably return at some point in the campaign? New Popes kept popping up in the first one and it even says in the manual that they'll come back.

He (or she) is not going to be a happy pappy upon their return.

I really haven't had many problems with the Inquisitors. I have a few in my territories but they've kept to removing heretics and haven't gone after any family members. :dunno:

[[W33T] JimmytehHand8]

You do realize that the papacy will probably return at some point in the campaign? New Popes kept popping up in the first one and it even says in the manual that they'll come back.

He (or she) is not going to be a happy pappy upon their return.

I really haven't had many problems with the Inquisitors. I have a few in my territories but they've kept to removing heretics and haven't gone after any family members. :dunno:

That's why you just camp the region and immediately oust the new pope. It's a win win situation.

[LordBeer]

I didn't think the new pope would have to reappear in their old stomping grounds. I thought another faction could give the papacy new territory. So you really dont know where they are gonna pop up. Never actually seen it happen though and I'm not sure where my manual is. I'll double check it later.

[Multiplex]

I just got my hands on a copy of this game... will start playing it this week some time hopefully. :)

[Klickinater]

i have all of europe except spain which all but two towns are being laid seige to. As for the black plague, in one turn, 40,000 civilians dead over 5,000 troops. It was horrible. I went from 70,000 florins to 500 in three turns, while trying to save money, i just didnt have anyone to tax.

as for the papal states, well i took over rome and killed the pope, luckily enough as i have 8 cardinals, doesn't matter what anyone else thinks I can elect my guy as pope. So then i get recounciled and the realationship is perfect. So it worked out well.

[juuh77]

You do realize that the papacy will probably return at some point in the campaign? New Popes kept popping up in the first one and it even says in the manual that they'll come back.

He (or she) is not going to be a happy pappy upon their return.

I really haven't had many problems with the Inquisitors. I have a few in my territories but they've kept to removing heretics and haven't gone after any family members. :dunno:

Lol yeah i know they come back. And man the first time i started the game my family members were getting killed left and right. at this point i had done all that the pope had asked. Though i think alot of it has to due with the dread or chivalry rating. about 1/4 of my generals are evil bastards that enslave populations and kill all the prisoners hehe. Good way to fund a war effort if i might add. I have also been know to take a town over and tear up all the buildings for money then i leave and let the comp take it and rebuild it. Yeah i know i am a ruthless bastard.

[LordBeer]

I just got my hands on a copy of this game... will start playing it this week some time hopefully. :)

Hope you enjoy it man. Also, when did you add the Santa hat to Hudson there? I dont remember it being there this afternoon.

juuh77, I try not to completely level a town if I plan on using it anytime in the near future. My army on crusade? Well.. :dgrin: Cairo is still in ruins. I sacked it, sold the buildings, and left it to turn into a haven for rebels before moving onto Jerusalem.

[Multiplex]

Hope you enjoy it man. Also, when did you add the Santa hat to Hudson there? I dont remember it being there this afternoon.

Yeah, I was a big fan of Rome:TW so I'm hoping this one is even better.

I added the santa hat last night with photoshop... tomorrow I'm going to replace his gun with a candy cane.

[LordBeer]

It does have a few bugs, but nothing that I'd consider a game breaker. If it's of any comfort to you, it has NOWHERE near the bugs from some of EA's more recent releases.

[Klickinater]

juuh77, I try not to completely level a town if I plan on using it anytime in the near future. My army on crusade? Well.. :dgrin: Cairo is still in ruins. I sacked it, sold the buildings, and left it to turn into a haven for rebels before moving onto Jerusalem.

on my first game i had just found out the "sell building" button. So of course i was trigger happy. I went through my enemy's terriotory exterminating the population and demolishing all the buildings, then giving it back to them... you dont make too many friends like that...

and alliances are huge, they actually mean something, like if you ask help attacking a faction they'll do it. So unlike in Rome when alliances dont mean crap actually following the alliance will get you further.

[LordBeer]

I've had good luck with the inquisitors and bad luck with alliances. I have two allies but they aren't very helpfull. I have rights to move though one of their territories but they aren't helping me fight anybody. I've been trying to build up my relationship with them though the use of cash gifts, but they still wont help me fight. Oh well..

[Klickinater]

i find that if you have a diplomat right near one of their cities and everyturn give them like 500g and map information, then after a couple turns they'll start feeling better towards you. What I find hard is when a friend of one of my allies (im not friends with them) attacks me making me break my alliance with my allies making everyone trust me less. as for inquisitors, I don't need to worry about them as the Papal States won't last for much longer. But when you least need them (like when your faction heir is marching into battle on a desperate front with a stronger enemy) they seem to be there.

[LordBeer]

New patch is supposed to be released today. Cross your fingers.

Looking forward to 3 fixes. Cavalry chargeing issues, Gunpowder unit reforming problems, and the merchant problems.

Can't wait!

[LordBeer]

Oop.. It's out. Not showing it on their main webpage but there were links in the forums. Put a link down there just in case any wanted it right away.

www.gamershell.com/download_16914.shtml

[vonkroll]

sweet thks lordbeer

[Klickinater]

i hope the calvery charging problem is the one where only two guys charge forwards while the rest sit back and watch as one by one their fellow horsemen get mowed down

[wihadmin]

This game sounds pretty sweet. The battles looks cool in the trailers and stuff. That's what I like. How much non-battle stuff do you have to do?

[[W33T] Canadian23]

mostly making money with your towns and citys and you got agents to kill other member priests princes to sell away their "goods". but you don't mind it much but not up to civ 4 level of mircomanginment.

[Klickinater]

well i think the "non-battle" is huge. For example, my large empire (over half of europe) has a very touchy econonmy. For example, if I make more troops I start losing money extremely fast, like I go from 150,000 florins (a LOT of money for M:TW (for me at least)) to 342 florins in about 6 - 7 turns. Then I take over a couple of towns and it gets bumped up to 50,000. So, do well in the campaign map and you can have some pretty awesome battles.

oh and a big tip, its best to leave the papal states alone. I took Rome from them and repeatedly killed the pope and got myself excomitcated, then I found captains running away with their troops to become rebels or disapear althogether. And then my towns rebel. Its best to have the pope on your side. But one fool proof way of getting the pope's favor back to you is to get your preists in the house of cardnals and keep killing the pope till your guy gets chosen. Then you imediatly become friends with the pope and the papal states.

PS its 1492 when you can sail to the america's? because i have some ships waiting off the coast of spain to go there (1476 is the year for me) and it would be nice if i could use them somewhere else but since i want to be the first one to the america's im sitting there waiting.

[LordBeer]

I had to wait for the 'world is round' announcement then I was able to find it. I dont remember if it happened in 1492 or not. I just sent one of my largest ships west until it hit land. Takes more then a few turns.

[wihadmin]

I'm playing the demo battles and I'm just getting my arse kicked around. My archers don't do enough damage, my sword dudes won't fight, my horse dudes just stands around being noble. :dunno:

How do you guys fight your battles? What do you do first? Do you charge or do you wait for them to come into range?

[LordBeer]

I tend to keep my archers up front until the enemy charges. They standard guys really dont deal much damage. It's best to have them fire at weaker troops. It's best to have them form up behind the frontlines before contact is made.

I try to keep my horsemen on the flanks so that when contact is made they can swoop around and attack from the rear. The quicker you can route one squad, the easier it will be to route the next one. If you can get 2 or 3 running then it should be pretty easy to route the entire army. The horsemen need a decent amount of space to do their charge correctly. It also helps if they are all formed up and charge in a straight line. If you see them lower their lances then you can expect them to smash the squad. Just dont charge spearmen, pikemen, or anybody with a long pole. You can charge them from the rear but wait until they are already fighting with someone else. It's usually a good idea to charge at archers or siege equipment. If there is to much around them though, you risk loosing the horsemen in the charge. They might be able to escape but they might route when trying to escape. If it's worth getting rid of their arty though, it's a gamble I usually take.

The fights that came with the demo are kinda rough. Those are a little harder then most of the battles in the normal game. It's really hard to route the aztecs. Keep the high ground and let them come to you.

Also, make sure you double click so your guys will charge..

[wihadmin]

The quicker you can route one squad, the easier it will be to route the next one. If you can get 2 or 3 running then it should be pretty easy to route the entire army.
Is there a way to target the squads leader?


The horsemen need a decent amount of space to do their charge correctly. It also helps if they are all formed up and charge in a straight line.
I noticed that sometimes my cav is just standing around head-to-head with a unit. Maybe I didn't give them enough room to start their charge.


The fights that came with the demo are kinda rough. Those are a little harder then most of the battles in the normal game. It's really hard to route the aztecs. Keep the high ground and let them come to you.
It was brutal. I did the Aztec battle like 10 times before getting the hang of it. The key for me was to immediately pull my reinforcement troops to the main battle ground and form a perimeter. Then I fought off the attackers and recalled my troops when they went out too far. Shift to defend, and charged the scattered Aztecs. Eventually, they send in 3 squads to kill Cortez. By then Cortez' bodyguards were all slain. So I kept moving Cortez around as bait for the incoming Aztecs. Then engage them with my infantry and cav. In the end, my cav killed the Aztec leader for the win.



Also, make sure you double click so your guys will charge..
Good point. I didn't know that. :thumbsup:

Last nite, I was fighting the second demo battle against the huge French army with the cannon emplacement. It ended in a stalemate. Might not get to do that battle again since I prolly get the game today.

[LordBeer]

Is there a way to target the squads leader?

Can't really target a squads leader. They dont really have them. You can find the generals formation though and target that. Although you still can't target the general as an individual. If you keep hitting that formation, you'll get em eventually.



I noticed that sometimes my cav is just standing around head-to-head with a unit. Maybe I didn't give them enough room to start their charge.

The cav charge had a small bug. It might still be there in the demo. Although my horsemen still act a little flakey after the patch. When it all goes right, they are devistating. It only happens maybe 1/3rd of the time though.


Good point. I didn't know that. :thumbsup:

You betcha. :thumbsup:

That battle with the French was more fun then the Cortez one I thought. Some of the multiplayer scenarios are REALLY cool. I'd be happy to show you them online some time. :D

Just finished the campaign for the first time. Good times. I realized the clock was ticking and the game was going to end in a 20 rounds. All I needed was Jerusalem. Had to send two armies to get it though. I forgot to give arty to the first one and didn't stand a chance against the elephant troops without it.

[wihadmin]

I like commanding hundreds of men who's willing to die for king and country!

[LordBeer]

Some of them die.. Some of them run like bitches. Especially the ones subjected to multiple volleys of LordBeer's arquebuses. :yaya:

Hmm.. That would be a neat feature. If you could execute your own troops for cowardice when they started to route.. Muhahaha!

[wihadmin]

I found that the mercenaries are usually the ones to turn tail and run first. That's why I feed them to the lions first in battle.

[LordBeer]

Also, it's usually easier to replace some merc goobers versus your elite troops when you're on a distant campaign.

[wihadmin]

I've read that there are mods for this game. One is called XL mod. Anyone use mods? What does the XL mod do?

[LordBeer]

Err.. I think the XL mod is for the first Medieval Total War.. :hehehe: Not sure if any mods for MW2 have been released yet. I know there were a few out for Rome Total War. One mod was supposed to make the game more realistic, but I never tried it out. I did try out the Napoleonic War mod and thought it was pretty cool.

[wihadmin]

oh, didn't know that. :)

[wihadmin]

Holy coolness! You can find the Ark of the Covenant if you go on crusades. +2 dread and +1 Command. I wonder if it does any more for any general who carries it with him into battle. :D

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74191

[LordBeer]

Holy crap! :lol: That's awesome! I never knew about that one. (I have had the foreign fruitcake though..) Good find wihadmin.

Didn't realize you could pass on some rentinues... Doh!

[deRougemont]

Holy coolness! You can find the Ark of the Covenant if you go on crusades. +2 dread and +1 Command. I wonder if it does any more for any general who carries it with him into battle. :D

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74191

At this point Lusted's "Lands to Conquer" is the best mod out (he is a modder/admin at twcenter). He also incorporates a few mini-mods by other twcenter folks that are quite good. Also keep an eye for the DarthMod, Darth has just started to work on MTW2, and is a modding legend from the the days of Rome Total War.

Oh, and yes, the Ark buffs the stats for any general who carries it with him. Just make sure he passes it to a younger family member before he dies or it will go to the grave forever with him!

[wihadmin]

damn this game! I picked it up tonite and spent 4.5 hours just trying to figure out what to do next. So far, not much. Fought a couple of rebel units. Took over a wooden castle, trying to build out my economy to get $ to build bigger army. Some dude wanted to marry my princess. I told him to take a hike bc his loyalty blows. I'm not going to have him cheat on my princess. :D

The spy dude is cool and his video clips are amusing. Sent in a merchant to take over a Byzantine merchant and the plan backfired wiping out my merchant instead.

[vonkroll]

To start you are best to rush all near by rebel citys, screw the feeling of over expanding. The earlier you expand the more cash you can bring in.

[wihadmin]

There were Moors and Portugese merchants and diplomats in my kingdom of Spain. They seem to be just moving around. What am I supposed to do with them? One diplo-dude just parked himself right outside one of my settlements.

[LordBeer]

I usually beef up my assassins using foreign diplomats. :dgrin:

Although you might want to say hello to them before the wacking beings. Never hurts to have trade rights with those you plan on conquering.

[wihadmin]

I usually beef up my assassins using foreign diplomats. :dgrin:

Although you might want to say hello to them before the wacking beings. Never hurts to have trade rights with those you plan on conquering.

good point. I forgot about my spy. He's in a Portugal city right now. I should pull him out to assinate these diplobitches.

[LordBeer]

Spies can't assassinate people. Although they are good for spying, spreading the plague to your enemies, and causing unrest in his cities.

You'll need an assassin to assassinate. Just mentioning that in case. Not trying to be a smart ass..

[wihadmin]

what builds assassins? Brothels?

[Multiplex]

Can you assassinate generals?

[LordBeer]

You can assassinate captain's and generals. (Might have changed the captain thing post patch.. not sure) Although it isn't real easy to wack a general.

Dont remember what builds them off hand.. I think it is the brothel though.

[Kegg]

Inns and brothals, you can build Assassin.

Question: If you sack a town, is there any effects (besides more money, and higher loss of population) that are different that occupying a town?

[wihadmin]

Less likely that they'll uprise against you I think. Buildings are damaged and produce less results?

[wihadmin]

sweet. making money tips.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73865


If you sack a town, is there any effects (besides more money, and higher loss of population) that are different that occupying a town?

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72290 has the answers.

[LordBeer]

I'm fuzzy on what damaged buildings do. I know it's real important to fix the walls after you invade a city. All the holes you punched in it breaking into the place will stay there.

My best tip for making money is to capture cities with ports. Sea trade is very lucrative. I dont like using merchants to much, but I like having a lot of trade going on. Once I have all the towns with ports I find it much easier to conquer the interior.

[wihadmin]

My best tip for making money is to capture cities with ports. Sea trade is very lucrative. I dont like using merchants to much, but I like having a lot of trade going on. Once I have all the towns with ports I find it much easier to conquer the interior.

I've got a bunch of ports. How do I start trading by sea?

[LordBeer]

Should be automatic. Make sure you have trade rights with some of the other factions and zoom in on one of your towns. If you check out the detailed status box then go under the trade summmary window, you can see how much it's making off trade.

[vonkroll]

Yeah sea trade is automatic with other faction's you have trade rights with.
The size of the port dictates how many trade routes it will have. You should see blue lines with ships moving to other ports.

Later on you can expand the port just for trade routes and nothing else.

The difference between sack/exterminate is the money/damage to buildings/chance of rebel and if a playing a catholic faction the chance to piss of the pope.

Also killing everyone often makes your leader have more dread.

[wihadmin]

Next questions:


How do I give a province to the Pope?
How do I pass something like the Ark of the Covenant (don't have one but have other stuff) to my heir?

[vonkroll]

to give a province to the pope, just send a ambassador to the papel states.
And gift them a province, thou i find just giving the a couple of hundred every
turn bumps up the old pope meter a bit.

To pass on stuff you need to have both in the same city, have both of the
details up and click and drag.

[wihadmin]

Thanks for the info Vonkroll.

Oh, how do you make more generals to lead your troops? I want to deploy my multiple groups into neighoring countries to take over, but right now I have like 1 king and 2 generals, all of whom are stationed at castles and settlements to oversee everything.

[vonkroll]

There are a few ways,

1 Use a captain a lot, once he gains x ammount of wins, he may be promoted.

2 Marry your princess to foreign generals (some times the slut run's off with him)

3 Adoption of heirs (happens when your family grows in size)

4 Bribe your enemy's to join you.

5 Be a randy git and spawn a lot :)

hope that helps

[LordBeer]

Dont give the Pope land!! At least I wouldn't.. Give him cash instead. I found that a 500 florin donation to the Pope will help raise his opinion of you.

As for more generals.. It takes time for the king to make little kings. Then you have to wait for them to come of age. Although there is another way. If you send an army to fight, there is a chance you get the 'Man of the Hour' thing to pop up. Then you can adopt him into your family and get a new general. Not exactally sure what kind of victory you need to get that but try and keep it an even match up. Send the army in after some rebels and try to kick ass. I got one after fighting off some rebels with an army that was mostly arquebusiers. Might help if you are outnumbered in the fight, but I dont really know.

[wihadmin]

When fighting rebels, I started to send in my captain and his cav in for the kills. I think I got one of the captain named Man of the Hour last nite.

Good point on giving the pope $ instead of land.

[LordBeer]

I'm thinking it would be REALLY hard to get the land back in the future if you gave it to him. Well, it would be hard to do without being excommunicated in the process. I guess it could be pretty easy to take care of if you were in a position to appoint the new pope. Took me a while before I could do that though.

[Kegg]

Giving money over time help in any diplomatic situation.

The only thing with adoption is, make sure the adopty has a high level of loyaty (otherwise, he might have your king killed to be next in line.)

BTW, he he, you got sucked in..... :yaya:
Thanks for the links, some useful info.

[wihadmin]

Btw, can I put a diplomat on a ship and send him to all the countries with ports to get trade agreements?

[Klickinater]

yes, but once you have trade rights with a faction you trade with all their towns. Also something a little cool, I found several heretics with intersting names one named "Moses" and another named "Spartucus" just something cool. And the 225 turn limit isnt actually the limit of turns but the time you have to win. After that you can keep playing. I find making alliances in the begginning of the game with everyone is good because then as one breaks its alliance with you, you and your buddies can gang up on him and take him down.

As for the sailing to the new world. I found out that at least for the factions that have it "Carracks" are the only ships that can make the journey. So have one city work on its port till you can make the ships. They're costly (at 1500 per unit) but they're not dieing anytime soon. I find sending over a lot of troops to secure your first town is a good idea

also with the new patch (havent downloaded it yet) does it fix the problem of gunners not firing when on walls. Because it drives me nuts to put my guys on the wall and leave them there because it says their shooting, but guess what? they're ammo doesnt go down which means that they're not actually firing anything. Kind of annoying

[LordBeer]

New World gave me lots of trouble. I loaded up about 2 ships full of guys to send over and I'd recommend more. Takes a while to get over there and it will take quite a while to be able to build those good troops over there. Just to warn you, the Aztecs have A LOT more troops then you think. Expect to fight a lot of full stacked armies. Think mongol horde.

We need to get some multiplayer fights going in this. :dgrin:

[SLCoran]

I take it this game is better than Rome? If that the case I'm going to have to buy this on too. I've played all the Total War series except Shogun and liked them alot so I guess that another game and another $50.

[Multiplex]

Yeah, I was a big Rome fan... but this game just blows it out of the water.

[juuh77]

Yeah, I was a big Rome fan... but this game just blows it out of the water.

Yes it does.

[EdrrakNolat]

I went out and fought thru last minute Xmas shoppers last night to pick this up.

6 hours after installing and playing, I decided sleep would be a good thing, but I can't stop thinking about attacking the next town!

[wihadmin]

I attacked the Moors last nite. I was pissed off at their priests converging on my Catholic cities and converting my God worshipping citizens. Sent in 2 spies into their capitol city, Cordoba and the spies opened the gates right up for us. My king lead a huge army there and just wiped them out. That netted me $12,000+. Then I marched up to their next castle and took that over as well.

Sent a diplomat all over the world getting trade rights to all the nations. My Naval fleet is getting some experience at sea fighting the French and the rebels every chance they get.

[Klickinater]

Well in my game (started a new after I beat it as English now im The Holy Roman Empire) the Pope decided that if I attacked Milan then I would be excommunicated but at the same time Milan was seiging and sacking my towns in northern Italy (okay I confess SOME of them were Milan's but they had lost them fair and square) though after some under the table trading with a lot of money and a settlement I convinced the Papal states to make war on Milan so the mission was cancelled and right now I'm preparing for some REVENGE

[wihadmin]

Similar thing happened to me. France was laying siege to my ports, but when I attack France, the Pope told me to cease hostilities or I'll be excom. I'm like screw that since I'm also a Catholic nation. So I kept attacking France. I'm still not yet excom.

[LordBeer]

Going to start up a new campaign soon. I'm not sure who to pick. I did the first one as England, so they are out. I'd like to try it with Scotland but they dont really have a wide variety of units. I'm really not to fond of using one of the middle eastern factions because I dont feel like getting rolled when the Mongol's appear.

I'm actually thinking of France. :mgduck: They have a ton of neat units to choose from and I want pikemen and horses.

Any ideas?

[wihadmin]

How about Sicily? You can play it like you're the medieval mob boss.

[LordBeer]

Hmm.. Hadn't really thought about using them. I haven't seen the CPU do an amphibious invasion and the Papal States would be a nice buffer. I'll have see to what kinda units they field.

[wihadmin]

supposedly the patch allows the CPU to do amphibious invasions.

[juuh77]

Going to start up a new campaign soon. I'm not sure who to pick. I did the first one as England, so they are out. I'd like to try it with Scotland but they dont really have a wide variety of units. I'm really not to fond of using one of the middle eastern factions because I dont feel like getting rolled when the Mongol's appear.

I'm actually thinking of France. :mgduck: They have a ton of neat units to choose from and I want pikemen and horses.

Any ideas?

I had a fun time using France. On top of that due to where france sits its alot more fighting from the start. All in all fun if you ask me.

[wihadmin]

Wow! just finished my first Crusade against Jerusalem. I send my heir and gave him my entire army full of feudal knights, mailed knights, dismounted knights, catapults, ballistas, battering rams, ladders, spearmen, archers, javelin men, and a fleet of 10 warships and 2 transports. Total men was about 900.

They made their way from Spain over to Jerusalem to lay siege to the city. Hell of a siege. Once I was able to assault it, the catapults are awesome for destroying the towers and the castle walls. My foot soldiers made their way into the city and fought against the Egyptian soldiers. Then my knights made their way in and fought in the settlement's square. Then I sent in my son for the kill. Out of nowhere, a crack squad of Egyptian knights came out and slain my heir Dead!

Startled, my troops lost their will to fight and started to rout. Luckily I brought a lot of men and just thru sheer numbers was able to kill everyone in the city to conquer it. Got about $14,000 from the whole thing. But now my son is dead, and Jerusalem sits without a governor. I am frantically building another war fleet to send over a governor with some more re-inforcements to hold the city against their counter-attack.

In the mean time, I sent out 2 assassins to the nearest city to kill any important person they can and sabotage important structures in the city. Hopefully, that'll delay their counter-attack enough for me to bring a new governor in so that he can retrain the troops, repair the walls, and recruit new soldiers.

[LordBeer]

Who did you take Jerusalem from?

[wihadmin]

Took it from the Egyptians.

[Kegg]

Well I am the Holy Roman Empire (i.e. The GERMANS!!! :D ) love there Calvery.

I am currenly fighting 6 faction, and there all loosing :flipoff: , the only thing I have to really deal with is there assassins.

[Klickinater]

Well my game as the Holy Roman Empire isn't going so swell. I was first allied with everyone but scicly so I was kicking their butts. But then scicly allied with Milan and venice who all quickly betrayed me and besiege Bologna, Floreance and Milan (the city). Then Denmark and Hungary ganged up on my northern border. But after beating two big ass armies back they quickly sent in diplomats to make everything all nice again. So now they are asking for trade agreements and truces. Which I accept because I need to focus all my troops to the south. Currently, Milan is under its 5th seige, no unit in it is full but I have two large armies marching south and are going to crush Milan first then venice. Scicly can wait. The one thing im really hoping not to happen is for the French to betray me because me and them have a long border all down my west frontier. Thats also where i have a bunch of undeveloped cities/castles which are prone to attack.

What I find kind of annoying is how the Holy Roman Empire have no actually troops that have swords in the beginning. I mean my armies are composed soley of spearman for lack of anything else. Thats why in my other game with england we domanaited so much was because all anyone had were spearmen while I had billmen. I hope they get better later on.

[wihadmin]

Do you guys know how re-inforcements work? Do I surround the enemy troop with multiple of mine and then have 1 unit initiate the attack?

[Klickinater]

well if you have one or more armies (on the campaign map) surronding an enemy army (adjacent) then when one army attacks the two intial armies (the enemy one and the one you attacked it with) will be on field and it will be like a normal battle. Though sometime during the battle your other army that was next to the enemy on the campaign map will come in through the out of bounds line. And depending on you, you can have AI control them or control them yourself. But if your controling them, since you can only control 20 units at a time. Any extra units will wait outside the battle till a unit gets destroyed or routs then it will enter. I hope that helps though it seems complicated, its actually really not. (Im just bad at explaining :P)

[wihadmin]

I'm still playing as Spain. I destroyed Portugal. Since Portugal ally is England, they attacked one of my large cities. So I attacked and took over an English city. Next thing I knew, the city is surrounded by like 8 English priests. What's up with that? Does that do anything against me? I'm already Catholic.

While I'm fighting that front, I'm also trying to Conquer the Moors down south. I sent in an invasion force of about 650 men and another 450 men as re-inforcements. The Moors had about 450 men. The battle was crueling. I got all the way into their city and then they called in men on camels which completely destroyed my units.

What troops I had left I had to rally outside the city again. I reformed the battered squads into formation again. Then I unleashed my 4 divisions of basilisks cannon into the city toward teh central square where they were defending. That was a spectacle to see all those cannons firing explosive rounds into the square. Medieval artillery baby!

Then I marched my Handgunners along with pikemen into the city. All the while, my cannons continued hammering the square. Building and houses were on fire and smoking. Bodies of men and beasts littered the streets. Sure enough as I got closer their camel men charged my handgunners. When they did, I put my pikemen up front on Guard and all the spears stopped the camels dead right in their tracks. Then I flanked them with another division of handgunners and just obliterated their camels and whatever trooops are left.

I was victorious in the end, but I'd lost 600+ men to their 450 men, and left the city in ruins. And since they were a worthy foe, I decided to exterminate everyone surviving in the city. The price for winning this battle is steep!

[Klickinater]

ooh i have a good story that fits here perfectly

So in my Holy Roman Empire game, I found out that having borders with water is very impotany. I have at least one if not two or three guys on each of my borders (north south east west). So as always I am constantly making guys and sending them off to war on all my different fronts. But then when I had milan down to one city, I sent in my brand new army. It had 7 units of knights (feudel and mailed and one general) four pasive crossbows and the rest are armoured sargents and dismounted feudal knights. They have a huge amount of spearman and thats it though for reinforcements they had calvery and somemore spearmen. So I have ladders and seiger tower and battering ram. I send them all up. And I leave crossbowmen to guard the rear. So as soon as I burst down the door. I send in all my calvery thinking I can just wipe them out with my massive hord of calvery. So they get throught the gates send the first units running and someothers they encounter and I just make them ride to the middle Where they get two about 1000 spearmen (literally) all massed in the center. But im not looking. I send up one more unit up the ladders because they're not doing so well and send in the resr of my infantry up behind my calvary. Then my crossbowmen were hiding from the reenforcements and I made them pop up and send volleys of arrows into the enemy's back. Sent two unit running and when they got inside the gates my infantry turned 'round and massacred them. I look back at my calvary, the most in one unit was 16. Most had turned tail and run and my general was dead. I send my infantry in. And from the middle of the streets there was fierce fighting all the way back to the center. I sent my crossbowmen around the side and they sent a unit to go meet them. They got meeted by a barrage of arrows that sent them scurrying back to the town center. Where they got a second dosage soon after as my crossbow men catch up to them.
Soon my guys had killed everysingle one of their guys. It was the bloodiest battle i have ever seen. Bodies paved the road from the gates to the town center. in the end i lost over 1000 guys i killed 1200 men and captured 800 more. Costly battle but I no longer need to worry about milan...

[CrazyCow222]

I had this amazing expierience today as a defender!
Ok so I was playing as england and i was trying to defend antwerp against the holy roman empire AND denmark. the danish and holy roman empire attack at the same time and gang up on me from 2 differnt sides. I put all of my men in the square and wait to see which one comes in first. my army is just a generals bodygaurd, 2 units of longbowmen, 2 units of spear militia and 1 unit of dismounted fuedal knights. The enemy has at least 1500 men combined and holy roman empire has like 5 ballistas and catapults. The danish break through the walls first and attack me with all thier men. I drive them back and send them all fleeing after their commander is killed but I lose all my spearmen. the holy roman empire then breaks through and I crush all of thier units they sent into the city, but my archers are out of arrows and my commander is the only one left in his unit. i try and send my men out to attack the seige equipment, at this point the only thing left, but they open fire and i lose all but 2 of my archers. I try again this time leaving the archer in the square but sending all of the rest of my men in (7 dismounted feudal knights and 1 general) and my men are surrounded by siege workers when a miracle happens! one of the enemy units routs, and the rest follow!!! a mass rout!!! I proceed to chase them all out and i win! men remaining: 8!!! The next turn, reinforcments arrive and I hold the city still! :D

[wihadmin]

Awesome stories fellas! I found that when out numbered, I like to sucker in their general into the kill zone and let my ballista towers and archers do their jobs. Once their general is dead, a strong show of force will send their troops running.

[CrazyCow222]

True, true! :thumbsup: hope to see ya online, WiHadmin!

[Klickinater]

thats the trick I think. Is that if you just send in a couple units and keep the rest for reserves. Just go all out for the weakest unit send it running and the others follow (if they dont have a general) also a nice tip:

Towers will ONLY shoot IF there is a unit on one of the walls adjecent to the tower it self or next to the bottom of the tower. You know its shooting if there is a flag over it. Took me a while to figure out but its nice to know so you can always have a unit or two on the walls to keep the towers shooting.

[CrazyCow222]

Does every tower shoot or only the gatehouse ones?

[wihadmin]

I've seen the gatehouse and the next towers to their side shoot when troops go into their zone. The towers on the inner gates also shoot when you get there as well.

[CrazyCow222]

Maybe I should try speading my archers out more... usually I just clump them at the gates (unless faced with catapults/cannons). Thanks again Wihadmin!

[wihadmin]

If you guys ahve played under my squad leadership, you know that I like to shift my troops to flank or block a flanking manuever. Same in Medieval 2. I shift my troops to block or to block in the enemy. I'll also use my troops to lure the enemy into the kill zone. So I shift my archers and crossbow men around quite a bit, especially if the computer is attacking my castle/settlement on 2 sides.

PS. Spearmen are awesome as blockers at the gate. Set them to Defend their ground. Then back your archers up with swordsmen or militia on the walls. Once the enemies have gotten their ladders near, shift the archers out and let the militia do their job.

[Klickinater]

Spearmen are the best at the gates, as long as they have calvery. As they will send they're calvery in as soon as the gate is down. Then you can sit and wait for them to charge right into your mass of spears. And the best part is that spearmen aren't all that bad at hand to hand combat with other infantry. So you dont nessesarly need swords men to back them up but having a couple of units anyway is never a bad idea.

I also found that maces are extremely effective against armour. I had my tuetonic knights (special for the Hly Roman Empire) ride in to some dismounted feudal knights. I zoomed in and it was brutal. You could see my calvary swinging their maces taking out mutliple knights in one blow. And as soon as the knights started running, the calvary chased 'em down and killed them all. This all happened relatively fast, and one casulitie on my side thats it.

[wihadmin]

ooooo maces! I'm gonna have to recruit some of those dudes!

[Klickinater]

I know, thats what i said. But be careful, those troops dont come to later, or if you get a tuetonic knights chapel thing. Though I'm betting they're specialized calvary (not feudal knights) also have maces. But from the demo, I saw that they had Zwei Handers, AKA guys with tons of armour and big a** swords... I can't wait.

Also as i said before, as the Holy Roman Empire, leave no border unprotected. My advice is to go for denmark first. Then you have the water on your northern border.

[Knottwobad]

I got an Amazon gift certificate from work so I decided to order this game last night should be here tomorrow. I read some reviews and articles about the gameplay and it looks like it might be easier to operate than the first one. We shall see.

[Klickinater]

well im not sure about the first medieval but i can say its more complicated than Rome total war but once you get the hang of it its gets much simpler
i find the english easiest to start off as because they are isolated in the beginning

[[W33T] Canadian23]

my new fav team in mtw2 has to be denmark now you can't beat those halibers their like the plhanxas of rome unbeatable in the frount get them in the flank their done like dinner. i tested this out on custom battle mode unit scales and huge i got 6 of this dudes and basic no upgrades to hold off a full stack of heavly armed knights from millian and the flanks covered by mace using cav it was sw33t got to show a screen shot of it.

also they got this cannon that fires 2x as fast as the basic cannons in the game its on big wheel and made to kill units only they work great.

[Klickinater]

well the holy roman empire has got guys with big a** swords and lots of maces so I havent found a cooler faction to play as. but when I do play as the holy roman empire i find denmark a thorn stuck pretty firmly in my side (or my head as they are above me) and even after i crush their frontier castles and execute anyone running. They still seem to come up with armies to come down and harasse my units. But right now in my game the french are cumpling to my power, I took marsielle, rhiems and paris all in one turn. Sacked all three and layed seige to a fourth castle which I will use as a base for attacks further into europe and england as the english betrayed me as soon as i had a border with them (no surprise to me). On my western border Hungary and poland are putting a feirce fight keeping me back from taking their lands. Venice isn't any piece of cake either, the town Venice is constantly being switch hands between me and venice. Scicly pretends they have a say in what happens by occasonaly sending a smallish army to try to take one of my towns further south in italy failing miserably everytime.
Currently I am trying to bribe the pope to recouncil me, last time it cost me a full 13,000 florins, ouch but I didnt mean to be excummunitcated, it was an accendent I didnt realize that keeping a seige on a town was seen as aggresive if it was already there in the first place. Oh well, ever since my maurading army in the holy lands went through sacked each town and burnt everything in it I have been filling my coffers quite well (gaza, jerusalem, acre, antioch, the town above antioch all sacked and burnt). And now I am sending an army to protect constantanople from the Jihad called on it. Even though me and the byzantine empire arnt the best of friends, I think I might take the city and convert it to a castle and once I've fended off the maurading muslim armies I'll burn the buildings and leave it for rebels and find some other towns ready to be sacked.

[[W33T] Canadian23]

in my spain campiagn i just won last night i have 55 regoins under my control and with the holy roman empire left too 3 regoins after they had 17 i kick their asses had 8 full stack armies ready to pounch on them as the pope excomm me so i kill the pope every round now around rome done it like 25 times so im like the most hated guy now.

let me get a screen shot of the map to show you my power:flipoff: :flipoff:

[CrazyCow222]

:thumbsup: Hey Good Game last night, Canadian!

By the way, has anyone ever actually had an assasin even kill anyone? The stupid guys start out at subterfuge 1 and have like a 5% sucess rate. I have never had an assasin suceed at anything but worsening relations when caught.

[LordBeer]

I've had good luck with the assassins. You have to build them up though. Have them go after easy targets for a while. Merchants & Diplomats. I guess it was easier for me since I had the Assassin Guild thing. Had to build a lot of assassins before I was able to get it though.

[wihadmin]

I was ble to get my assassin to kill some minor captians and stuff. Most of my assassins were killed though. 2 enemy assassins killed my king and a general in the same castle in 1 turn! Those bastards!

[Klickinater]

well, what i did in my english game was keep like 10 or so assaisens on England itself killing rebel generals and eventually one has a lot of luck and gets really good and i send him in to the main land to cause trouble. Regarding the movies my two favorites are:
1) when assaisinating someone, when your assaisan is in a barrel, pokes his head up and uses a blow dart to kill his target.

2) When sabatoging a building, when he gets the item "gunpowder" you can see him pushing this wagon down this alley then the camera zooms back to the street. You see the your assaisan giggling and running across the street then the camerca zooms out to where you can see most of the town and you see a huge explosion, its pretty cool

[LordBeer]

I hate that stupid woman who foils the assassination attempts. I had to turn off the video because I was tired of her.. :upyours:

[CrazyCow222]

Yeah I hate that lady too. She foiled my 2 assasins trying to kill a scottish general at least 5 times. Thanks for the advice, though Ill have em go for easy targets first.

[Klickinater]

I think when the lady screams, he should turn and get her then run.

But in my game right now, the pope hates me. I have missions to "Cease Hostilities" with Denmark, England, Poland, Venice, Hungary, and France. all at the same time... So im stuck piling troops outside their towns until the missions run out.

[CrazyCow222]

you havent been excommunicated yet?
In my game the pope excommunicated France and holy roman empire at the first sign of agression against milan. Maybe because he was a venitian pope and they are allies with milan?

[Kegg]

As the Holy Roman Empire (Ie. GERMANS!!:bow:) I have been excomunicated twice, the second time, I decided the pope didn't need Rome any more. Its a great money maker for me now :D. I assainated the pope twice, and just killed him off once (when I took rome).

I have been allied with Hungry and one of there bisops was elected Pope, and I got back in good graces :thumbsup:. and I felt, nice, so I gave the new Pope, Helsinki as a region...:dunno:.

[redish16]

Downloading demo ....

[Klickinater]

well, as the holy roman empire I have also been excommunicated twice. But both times I have been recounciled with a little persuasion involving money perhapes. I found it takes about 14,000 florins will usually do the job. Currently, I have france down to one city and I am going to try to make them become my vassal to see what thats like. England has been pushed off the main land. And Denmark has been destroyed. I hope spain and portigal dont betray me because i dont really want to take spain. I am thinking of going for Hungary and Poland because they have both been huge pain in the butts and keep taking my frontier towns. Gun powder has just been invented so Im trying to find a town that can make hand gunners/aquebusiers. And the mongols just came but I am scared, because usually the egyptians and them fight a lot leaving the mongol army occupied. But since I took all of Egypt's major cities, sacked them, and then sold all the buildings then left it for rebels who fill it up full of troops, Egypt hasnt been doing so well. So maybe the mongols will make it past the byzantine empire...

[kilroy0097]

Just got the game. I'll see how it is.

[Klickinater]

oh, you're going to like it, though it has a steep learning curve, once you get a hang of things its pretty awesome

[Knottwobad]

I got mine to and I made it through the tutorial and I see it is a lot more to keep track of than the 1st one but the controls are and bit more intuitive. I am thinking of letting the computer build and manage the cities and me just doing the basic battles to get to know it a little.

[Klickinater]

well I find that in the beginning, you can micromanage a lot easier thus shaping your empire. but as you grow you're going to have to automate a lot of stuff unless you want to spend half an hour for each turn. Just make sure you have the computer not spending too much otherwise you go into debt real fast