I found this interesting

[Ichi]

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/studiob-20060927-kristol.mov

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/29/sheppard-smith-clashes-with-kristol-on-the-war-it%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Crepulsive%E2%80%9D-that-bush-won%E2%80%99t-do-anything-till-after-the-election-in-iraq/

[Multiplex]

That's a hack and slash leftist elite website.

On a related note, congress just last night passed a bill authorizing something along the lines of 80 billion more in Iraq funding and an authorization to send 5000 more troops over.

[Ichi]

That's a hack and slash leftist elite website.

On a related note, congress just last night passed a bill authorizing something along the lines of 80 billion more in Iraq funding and an authorization to send 5000 more troops over.

I know the website is a lefty but Fox news is a righty, which I thought made it interesting. :lol:

[Multiplex]

Fox is moderate... not right. That just means they offer a counterpoint to the hack and slashers that they invite on instead of letting them do a free and clear hack job.

That's why Fox kills everyone else in the ratings.

[Tykwer]

Fox is moderate... not right. That just means they offer a counterpoint to the hack and slashers that they invite on instead of letting them do a free and clear hack job.

That's why Fox kills everyone else in the ratings.

are you living in a dream world? watch the news hour. less sensationalism, more interesting. It's really valiant of fox to briring on crazy religious woman who hates troops and then offer a "counter point," namely "you're crazy" just so they can look some what rational and sane in comparison. it's bull shit.

[Multiplex]

They have on tons of legitimate democratic strategists and political figures. Carville and his buddy were on, Bob Beckel is a rather fiesty liberal, Allen Colmes, that super hot blond chick (forgot her name) is very intelligent and always offers good debate, as well as Nina Easton, Mara Liasson...

I work 12 hour shifts and I split that time every day between CNN and Fox... I see a huge difference there and the difference is that Fox *ALWAYS* books a conservative and liberal at the same time or in following segments. Always... always always always. Whenever they talk to Senators or Congress members they always book a 1:1 ratio of republicans to democrats. Again... ALWAYS.

It's not a dream world... it's reality; you should check it out some time.

[sir_digalot]

we can get all the honest news we need from fox.

just as we can trust newsweek to deliver the news to the american people.

[Multiplex]

Oh... some names I forgot which are all prominent liberals and appear on the network 2 or 3 times a week...

Wesley Clark, Susan Estridge, Dick Morris, Gary Smith, Neal Gabler, Ellis Henican, and Juan Williams...

Yeah... sounds like the only thing they book is a crazy religious woman.

[Ruci]

Don't forget Mort Kondracke

[antigen]

Oh... some names I forgot which are all prominent liberals and appear on the network 2 or 3 times a week...

Wesley Clark, Susan Estridge, Dick Morris, Gary Smith, Neal Gabler, Ellis Henican, and Juan Williams...

Yeah... sounds like the only thing they book is a crazy religious woman.

The only reason they invite liberals on is to defame, minimize, and otherwise slander them.

FOX has been caught many times asking people to come on for an interview, telling them what kind of questions they want to ask, and then slamming them with other questions once on camera.

FOX is by no means fair, balanced, or moderate. Just because they invite two viewpoints to come together does not make them moderate either.

Using that logic, CNN can't be called left because they interview people on the right either.

Wake up and smell the coffee people... politics is not the superbowl. It's not 'our side' vs. 'their side'. Just because someone says something you don't agree with, it doesn't make them a 'flaming liberal' or a 'rabid conservative'.

Now is not the time for fear and anger, people need to start using their brains.

[Multiplex]

The only reason they invite liberals on is to defame, minimize, and otherwise slander them.

You're smoking crack. They give them all a fair shot and never slander them outright. They all get their fair say and both sides of the argument are represented. You need to actually watch Fox news before you come up with half-baked commentary like that.


FOX has been caught many times asking people to come on for an interview, telling them what kind of questions they want to ask, and then slamming them with other questions once on camera.

Gonna need some kind of documentation on that (from places other than Fox bashing far left sites) because other than democrats whining about the Clinton interview this hasn't come up.


FOX is by no means fair, balanced, or moderate. Just because they invite two viewpoints to come together does not make them moderate either.

Sure they are.


Using that logic, CNN can't be called left because they interview people on the right either.

CNN catches flak because they don't always invite both viewpoints on at once. One excellent example of that is inviting both Carville and Begala on at the same time without a conservative counter. They both just had their say and stroke their own egos while reading down the leftist talking points unabated. That's the difference...

You need to do some research or at least watch some more news before you come in with false information and accusations.


Wake up and smell the coffee people... politics is not the superbowl. It's not 'our side' vs. 'their side'.

Yes it is... liberals have a stance which I am by and large against. I don't like their policies ranging from economic, to social, to military issues. I do agree with 90% of what conservatives stand for and so it is me vs democrats. I don't want to see a single non-moderate liberal get elected ever again. In a perfect world I'd be represented by a government consisting 100% of moderate fiscal conservatives.


Just because someone says something you don't agree with, it doesn't make them a 'flaming liberal' or a 'rabid conservative'.

No, it depends heavily on the topic.

[[W33T] Canadian23]

all i got to say is why can't we talk about something with out putting ****ing politics in to the mix can you people ever get along with the right and left..:slap:

and stop insulting each other due to they have a different ideology...

[Multiplex]

Well since this topic was a political topic starting with the original post I'd say.... no.

P.S. If you don't like it... dont' read it.

[antigen]

You're smoking crack.

Immediately, everything you have said beyond this point becomes irrelavant. With your opening statement, you have demonstrated that you are unwilling to take part in the discussion, and instead will attempt to shoot down anything that you don't agree with. However, for the sake of the thread, I'll continue.


They give them all a fair shot and never slander them outright. They all get their fair say and both sides of the argument are represented. You need to actually watch Fox news before you come up with half-baked commentary like that.

Once again, you question my intellect, and further denigrate your own arguement. Actually, I do watch FOX News daily... though in my case it's usually comedic because most everything on that network is absolutely ridiculous. They do have some interesting discussions on occasion, but by-and-large, the networks sole purpose is to espouse the views of the right.


Gonna need some kind of documentation on that (from places other than Fox bashing far left sites) because other than democrats whining about the Clinton interview this hasn't come up.

There are quite a few examples of this, in social commentary, books, major news both national and international, and by their own admission on certain occasions. Here is a good time to ask yourself how much news exposure you have, and whether or not you are the type of person to instantly categorize what you read as either agreeing with you, or being a 'far left' publication. By your response, you're making it perfectly clear to the rest of us that you belong to the later.

I don't have time to post every single link to every single page written on the subject. The point here is that if you think one thing and aren't willing to open your mind to other ideas, then it would be nearly impossible to expect you to have done any research on your own to verify whether or not your news source is biased or not. It's perfectly obvious that you consider FOX to be your sole source of news, and what they say is golden.


Sure they are.

Simply because they invite the other side along for a fireside chat? Perhaps more so than CNN, but to remind you, I have never once said that CNN is a fair and balanced organization, nor does CNN constantly claim that they are. I only brought them up as an example of flawed logic.


CNN catches flak because they don't always invite both viewpoints on at once. One excellent example of that is inviting both Carville and Begala on at the same time without a conservative counter. They both just had their say and stroke their own egos while reading down the leftist talking points unabated. That's the difference...

And what of the times that they choose to agree with something from the other side? Or are they really just a bastion of hope for the left?


You need to do some research or at least watch some more news before you come in with false information and accusations.

Here's another example of your questioning my intellect andor experience. Believe me when I tell you that before, during, and after 9/11 I have had a ton of exposure to world news- and I continue that tradition. Why can I say that? Because when 9/11 happened, I did not live in the US. I lived in a country that has the foresight to broadcast news from about a dozen major world news organizations back-to-back each day, and every day. Instead of the homogenous picture of that event and the events that followed that was put forth by the American media, having several different views of the same story allowed me to see the bigger picture. It also involves doing research, and remembering what you've read.

How many times has Bush and FOX changed its reasoning for going into Iraq now? Looks like Kerry isn't the only flip-flopper...


Yes it is... liberals have a stance which I am by and large against. I don't like their policies ranging from economic, to social, to military issues. I do agree with 90% of what conservatives stand for and so it is me vs democrats. I don't want to see a single non-moderate liberal get elected ever again. In a perfect world I'd be represented by a government consisting 100% of moderate fiscal conservatives.

Then where do you stand? In the tradition of your current posts, I'll assume that you have a black and white view of politics. If you're not a democrat or liberal, then you must consider yourself to be conservative and republican.

In today's political climate, the 'conservative republicans' are neither conservative, nor republican. They have shown time and time again that there is absolutely no limit to government spending nor size. What was once a simple, isolationist policy has balooned into a belief in American dominance and the creation of an American empire. History has shown that countries with this type of arrogance descend into tyranny and greed. I direct your attention to the Project for a New American Century (http://www.newamericancentury.org/). Read the essays, note their authors, and then put the pieces of the puzzle together.

Basically, I think that our country as a whole is lacking identitiy. People cannot unite with the beliefs of the right because they go against everything this country was founded upon. People cannot unite with the left either, because the view that money is free to hand out to everyone does not fit in with the hardworking, independent spirit of America.

So.. which are you?


Yes it is... liberals have a stance which I am by and large against. I don't like their policies ranging from economic, to social, to military issues. I do agree with 90% of what conservatives stand for and so it is me vs democrats. I don't want to see a single non-moderate liberal get elected ever again. In a perfect world I'd be represented by a government consisting 100% of moderate fiscal conservatives.

I direct you to my previous comment. There is absolutely nothing fiscally conservative about this administration, nor the people in it. As far as them standing for anything, how do you explain their record so far? Cutting pay for the military and veterans programs, selling our national parks off to private corporations for exploitation, filling bills with frivilous pet-projects, setting back conservation 30-40 years, doing absolutely nothing to protect the American worker, etc. etc. etc. To say you agree with their stance is to admit agreement with the creation of an empire, the unchecked growth of government, and further intrusions into our rights as citizens of this great nation.

If it's easier for you to call me a 'crack-smoking leftie anti-american whacknut', go right ahead. But you can't stop me, nor the other people here from feeling sorry for you.

I love my country, but I hate what politicians from both sides are doing with it.

Political arguments to me, are certainly 'us vs. them' to the extent that the 'them' can be defined as both the demoracts and republicans alike. They are both ethically and politically corrupt, and neither seems to care about the country nor its people. The 'us', in my point of view, are the people that can see through all the smoke and mirrors of modern politics and mainstream broadcasting. They are deeply disturbed at the current course of our country, and have completely lost faith in the ability of government to get America back on track.

Just what is sacred to you? Your liberty? Your freedom? Your money? Your life?

What are you willing to give up in order to be happy?

On a side note.. it's impossible for political discussions on this board to end conclusively or stay on topic.

[Multiplex]

Important Note: I'm bored at work on a Sunday. This will be lengthy.


With your opening statement, you have demonstrated that you are unwilling to take part in the discussion, and instead will attempt to shoot down anything that you don't agree with. However, for the sake of the thread, I'll continue.

Well, I think my willingness to break down a post into individual portions block quote it out and then respond to each part of that post with (mostly) properly punctuated sentences (often in paragraph form) shows my willingness to take part in the discussion. If not I would respond simply with "You're completely wrong." and leave it at that.


Once again, you question my intellect, and further denigrate your own arguement. Actually, I do watch FOX News daily... though in my case it's usually comedic because most everything on that network is absolutely ridiculous. They do have some interesting discussions on occasion, but by-and-large, the networks sole purpose is to espouse the views of the right.

I could care less about your intellect. I honestly don't believe that you regularly watch Fox news daily. If you do, you're hitting the kool-aid too hard and so filled with preconcieved contempt for them that you aren't taking an objective look at things. This is demonstrated I think, by the overall theme of your posts here on these forums (since you brought up the theme of mine).

I on the other hand, just watch cable news because I'm trapped for 12 hours in a building with no windows that has access to two cable news stations to break the monotony. I don't draw my conclusions from cable news, so I am not in search of propaganda; I prefer to look up the raw information on topics and decide for myself.


Here is a good time to ask yourself how much news exposure you have, and whether or not you are the type of person to instantly categorize what you read as either agreeing with you, or being a 'far left' publication. By your response, you're making it perfectly clear to the rest of us that you belong to the later.

I get entirely too much exposure to the news (see above). To the second point, when I see someone rattling down a list of talking points on a show (republican or democrat) I do instantly categorize them in terms of which one I vote for every election cycle. I do not always agree or disagree with either side necessarily. I am registered as an independent but I usually vote republican.


I don't have time to post every single link to every single page written on the subject. The point here is that if you think one thing and aren't willing to open your mind to other ideas, then it would be nearly impossible to expect you to have done any research on your own to verify whether or not your news source is biased or not.

Actually, when the other Fox debate thread got rolling I spent quite a bit of time (admittedly at work in my downtime) drudging through google search results. I found website after website that hacks at Fox, sites dedicated solely to slandering Fox, leftist websites that were obviously not objective because the general theme of their entire site was blind conservative bashing.

In fact, this may come as a suprise to some (but not everyone here) but I do research on pretty much every topic that I decide to wade into here on this site. I don't shoot from the hip unless I have a general idea of what I'm talking about or just don't have the time.


It's perfectly obvious that you consider FOX to be your sole source of news, and what they say is golden.

Patently not true. I'm starting to think that you took that crack smoking comment to heart. I like to lighten up my posts with colorful commentary to get a chuckle out of folks (it's reflected in comments of all my +rep thingies) so the crack comments seems to have been your cue to attack attack attack. Well in the spirit of that understanding... you fit the mold of leftist very well... you should be proud of your hack and slash technique.


Believe me when I tell you that before, during, and after 9/11 I have had a ton of exposure to world news- and I continue that tradition. Why can I say that? Because when 9/11 happened, I did not live in the US.

I'm trying to be impressed by your vast polyethnic experiences but I spent four years watching AFN (Armed Forces Network) which is a hodgepodge of news shows in no particular order. So... anyway.


It also involves doing research, and remembering what you've read.

Do you consider news broadcasts research?


How many times has Bush and FOX changed its reasoning for going into Iraq now? Looks like Kerry isn't the only flip-flopper...

I'm trying to respond to this but I'm spending a lot of my concentration on trying to not fall out of my chair laughing.


Then where do you stand? In the tradition of your current posts, I'll assume that you have a black and white view of politics. If you're not a democrat or liberal, then you must consider yourself to be conservative and republican.

Not so much... I am a capitalist, a Christian, and patriot. I believe government should stay out of the way of business/economy and be deeply involved in keeping us safe. I'm not an isolationist but I can't wait for the day whenever we rid ourselves foreign oil dependency. I believe in low taxes and only the most basic social welfare system (to get people back on their feet, not support them for life).

I hope that helps.


In today's political climate, the 'conservative republicans' are neither conservative, nor republican. They have shown time and time again that there is absolutely no limit to government spending nor size.

I completely agree with this statement. It needs to change but electing Democrats is not the answer.


What was once a simple, isolationist policy has balooned into a belief in American dominance and the creation of an American empire. History has shown that countries with this type of arrogance descend into tyranny and greed. I direct your attention to the Project for a New American Century (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) (http://www.newamericancentury.org/%29). Read the essays, note their authors, and then put the pieces of the puzzle together.

This country hasn't held an isolationist policy since December 7th of the year 1941. Since that time on... we have been policing this globe. I am of the belief that while we make mistakes, we do more good than harm.


Basically, I think that our country as a whole is lacking identitiy. People cannot unite with the beliefs of the right because they go against everything this country was founded upon. People cannot unite with the left either, because the view that money is free to hand out to everyone does not fit in with the hardworking, independent spirit of America.

This country is losing it's identity because it is being eroded by secular progressives championed by organizations like the ACLU. They are by far the minority in this country but they have enough money to bully people into submission with endless litigation, clogging our court system with lawsuits that are largely ridiculous in nature. Meanwhile, the average moderate/conservative American (who are by far the majority in this country) stand there slack jawed thinking to themselves "WTF... how did it come to this? What genius decided that it was wrong to put the word God into the Pledge of Allegiance, and outlaw religious displays during Christmas time. What asshat decided to call it 'Holiday Break' at school so that they don't offend anyone by saying the word (gasp) Christmas?"

Special interest groups run this country, both parties in fact. If you took out every single special interest group though and set a max limit on campaign spending the Democratic party would be fighting with Ralph Nader for double digit popular vote percentages.

Wow, that last part really turned into a rant. Sorry for that (but 'sweet' at the same time).



If it's easier for you to call me a 'crack-smoking leftie anti-american whacknut', go right ahead. But you can't stop me, nor the other people here from feeling sorry for you.

If you think that I care if you feel sorry for me (or even if you hate me) then you really are a 'whacknut.' My views are derived from my analysis of the facts and my own set of morals. I am secure in them... thank you for your concern though!

[antigen]

Well then.. thanks for taking the time to respond.

Here's the deal, and my main point: just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a 'leftist'.

I too am moderate and fiscally conservative. Though I attended parochial school and have a degree from a Jesuit university, I do not consider myself religious. Should you have taken the time to actually have a decent discussion, you would probably find we have some things in common. Instead, an attack on your beloved FOX was enough to shut you off. So.. I guess I 'fit the leftie mold' as you say. Well, let me get out of my tree long enough to break out my Birkenstocks and Patchouli oil then.

Christmas break is Christmas break. 'God' should not be in the pledge, nor was it in the pledge when it was written. Put up nativity scenes where ever you want to, but don't get mad if you see a crescent moon or six pointed star on their holidays.

People are just too damn nitpicky, and yes, the ACLU goes a bit too far. Happy?

The problem is that there will never be unity because certain people are unwilling to engage in a discussion when they immediately categorize after hearing one single thing.

Not liking FOX or Bush does not make me a liberal. Neither does cheerleading for FOX make you a conservative.

The simple fact that you have already lumped me, and others on this board, into the 'them' category without even talking about the things that are important to you demonstrates to us that your mind is closed.

I appreciate your or your families service to the country.

Have a nice day.

[p00p]

does anyone else get tired of this political bickering going on in here? No one is ever going to change their poltical viewpoint due to a forum post. If politics must continue, why not a liberal, conservative, and "wacky" discussion threads? Assuming that one side doesn't go and post in the other and start a war...


Just my two cents.

edit:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/01/foley.quits/index.html

Take that for all those who vote Republican beacuse republicans are "moral'. On second thought, we've been seeing a lot of R scandals past 6 years, haven't we?

[Gruthar]

What's funny is that judging from the messages he sent he's apparently gay, if not bisexual, and Republican. A rare combination indeed.

[Multiplex]

does anyone else get tired of this political bickering going on in here? No one is ever going to change their poltical viewpoint due to a forum post.

Dude, you're hilarious. You just whined about political threads (this was a thread that was created for a political event...) and people not changing your minds. Then, in the same breath, you put your own dig into the discussion with a "take that" remark (also comical).

Hypocrisy is a real gem.

Here's a good suggestion: Maybe if you come along a topic in the Off-Topic or Soap Box forum you might want to be prepared to see discussions/arguments/debates going on there. If you don't like it... you should not reply to the thread and move along.


If politics must continue, why not a liberal, conservative, and "wacky" discussion threads? Assuming that one side doesn't go and post in the other and start a war...

Because conservatives don't exist soley to stroke each other's goats. The same goes for liberals. The point of a discussion or political debate is not that everyone should agree but that they should present opposing view points. No one expects to change the opponents mind, but it is quite likely that reading a discussion could sway the minds of those who are on the fence.

This isn't a bad rendition of the Westside Story, we don't need rival gang camps so we can stare each other down and eventually have a dance off to decide the fate of the battle. WTF over.


Take that for all those who vote Republican beacuse republicans are "moral'. On second thought, we've been seeing a lot of R scandals past 6 years, haven't we?

I'm not sure if you realize this or not... but all of politics is corrupt. Every party is guilty of it. Just because there's a (former) congressman out there that was hitting on a little boy doesn't mean that he represents conservative values.

What is the point of associating this one man with the entire party except to take a hack at the party you oppose? It just doesn't make sense. I could point out all sorts of things in the democratic party that are the same kind of irregularity.

Not to mention you knocked the thread first.

I love it...

[kilroy0097]

@ Multiplex:

I have to disagree with your observation of FOX. I also watch FOX, CNN and MSNBC all the time to get full coverage of stories and I must say that each network has their own agenda.

You say that FOX invites "Liberals" as they are being coined by the neocons in the right. Well they aren't really liberals because it seems to them everyone who is not "with" them is a liberal which is wholey untrue and sensationalistic at best.

Hannity and Colmes can not even come close to equal coverage on both sides of the issues. What that show is is a fabrication of equal viewpoints. Hannity does the talking, Colmes comes in with some moderate comment, Hannity does more yelling, Colmes attempts something lighthearted and unimportant, Hannity immediately interupts with a Rush Limburger smelling comment. Have you seen the interviews on that show? It's Hannity completely cutting off the person they are interviewing constantly. That's not giving them time to speak. That's making them look like an ass on network television. The same goes with many of the shows on Fox. Lets see how much of an ass we can make our non-conservative-right-wing-christian-republican guest look like to the world.

I invite you to take a scientific approach to a good sampling of FOX news interviews of "left" guests. Time each side. See how much time is really spent on each view point. Count the number of times a guest is cut off and has to begin their rebuttle again repeating themselves. Go ahead. See for yourself.

However the same can be said about CNN on some interviews also. However without the dickhead cutting them off. They are more sly about it by wording certain questions in certain ways where they are difficult to answer in a straight forward manner. They at least have some respect in not just giving their guest the finger before shutting them off.

MSNBC is odd because their network is classified as leftist but they have a few right shows also. So if any of the networks is the most balanced it's MSNBC although they don't cover alot of the points that FOX or CNN do. Which would make them incomplete as a news network.

Each network has bias. Each network is looking for ratings. The day the news media had to worry about ratings was the day news media began to die. They no longer are able to report the news in a non-bias and non-sensationalistic way. They have to make everything all flashing and dramatic in order to keep viewers. **** that shit. I hate it. Tell me the damn news without edits without spin. Give it to me straight and to the point. I don't care who it offends. The real world isn't sugar coated and neither should the news.

[Multiplex]

I do definitely agree that Hannity is a dick. I actually don't watch that show any more simply because he does cut people off. He's the only person I know of that does cut people off on Fox though. Others do however, interrupt to force people to answer questions they are obviously avoiding.

I listen to Colmes radio show on XM whenever I happen to be driving in the middle of the day though. Colmes invites conservative guests on and then debates them.

[Mad5cout]

Don;t even try to argue with Multi. The only person who holds counsel with Multi is Multi. Anyone who disagrees with him, he views as uneducated and definitely has a wierd perception of reality. I wonder if he'll realize its not the rest of us when he finally makes it around to telling over 50% of the planet that they're wrong.

Multi, regardless of what you think or say, FOX News has a right slant. There's nothing you can say that will change that. Just because you have a 1:1 ratio of Dems to Rep, doesn't mean you don;t have a slant. Almost all of the conservative big wig mass media icons come from FOX News. period. When Dems go on there, the news anchors side with the Republicans and generally cut the Democrats short - I'd say 90% of the time. Hell, the rest of the media world recognizes this as true. I bet even FOX News would openly admit that they have a right slant.

Just because you are even further right than they are, doesn't make them moderate.

Lastly, if you actually got past the logo on the website, you'd realize they didn't hack and slash anything in that particular article. Actually watch the video and actually read the article. All they do is restate what happens.

I'm not saying its not a hack and slash site, but shit at least read the post before you pass judgement.... oh, wait I forgot, it doesn't matter what is actually said to you, they're wrong because they're not you.

[Mad5cout]

Others do however, interrupt to force people to answer questions they are obviously avoiding.

Accept when its providing a Republican an opportunity to hit one of their campaign talking points. Then they can ramble on for as long as they want.

[Multiplex]

Don;t even try to argue with Multi. The only person who holds counsel with Multi is Multi. Anyone who disagrees with him, he views as uneducated and definitely has a wierd perception of reality. I wonder if he'll realize its not the rest of us when he finally makes it around to telling over 50% of the planet that they're wrong.

You see, you need to learn to discuss things like an adult on forums. You instantly bring in your own contempt for me and then send out a string of attacks. That Christian thread must have REALLY struck a nerve with you.

I find through talking with normal people that most average people agree with me. Their views on things pretty much lie along the same vein as mine do with the notable exception of college students.

Keep slinging the personal attacks, it'll keep going on until wihadmin steps in and slaps us both down. That's what happened before in other instances. I would suggest you try acting like an adult and discuss things without personal attacks.


Just because you are even further right than they are, doesn't make them moderate.

Actually, I'm quite moderate. Just because you're further to the left than me doesn't make me a far righter. So... take your own advice.


Lastly, if you actually got past the logo on the website, you'd realize they didn't hack and slash anything in that particular article. Actually watch the video and actually read the article. All they do is restate what happens.

I read through no less than 10 articles on that site including the original article posted. You didnt' have a basis for that statement to begin with though, you're just here to throw shit.


I'm not saying its not a hack and slash site, but shit at least read the post before you pass judgement.... oh, wait I forgot, it doesn't matter what is actually said to you, they're wrong because they're not you.

See above. Go get a clue.

[Multiplex]

Accept when its providing a Republican an opportunity to hit one of their campaign talking points. Then they can ramble on for as long as they want.

Proving once again... that you do not in fact watch Fox news with any regularity.

Here's a suggestion. Why don't you PM me with all your problems with me. I'll probably even take the time to respond to you. That way, you can get all the shit off your chest and stop slinging it around here and crapping all over threads with your personal issues that you have with me. You've obviously gotten your feelings hurt and maybe I can kiss it and make it feel better with a well worded PM.

[vic.tz]

Proving once again... that you do not in fact watch Fox news with any regularity.

Here's a suggestion. Why don't you PM me with all your problems with me. I'll probably even take the time to respond to you. That way, you can get all the shit off your chest and stop slinging it around here and crapping all over threads with your personal issues that you have with me. You've obviously gotten your feelings hurt and maybe I can kiss it and make it feel better with a well worded PM.

Yikes! You write with such an overbearingly condescending voice. Not only in this post, but almost every political post I've read of yours. And you write some of the most helpful/friendly posts on the other forums. If you're wondering why you get so many heated replies here, it's because you don't show a glimmer of tact or empathy in your politics. It's best to try to show that you understand why someone might have an opposing viewpoint; saying "You're smoking crack" doesn't do that.

Also, acknowledging that you could be ENTIRELY wrong in your opinions every once in a while never hurts. A healthy dose of skepticism in your writing would be very welcome.

And enough with the "registered independent" act, lol. If it walks like a Republican and if it talks like a Republican, it's a bloody Republican. It's like you're trying to be WiH's very own Bill O'reilly (NOT a compliment).

As for the topic of this thread...


...but electing Democrats is not the answer.

I don't really like to look at it this way, but Republicans have had a good 6 years to try to fix things, and really... they've messed up too much. It's the Democrats' turn for another try.

And to be honest, I stopped watching cable news because it's so terrible. Every five minutes there's a NEWS ALERT because of some car chase or some attractive woman went missing. :wallbash:

[Multiplex]

And you write some of the most helpful/friendly posts on the other forums. If you're wondering why you get so many heated replies here, it's because you don't show a glimmer of tact or empathy in your politics.

Hehe, yeah I know why I get so many heated replies. I tend to get just as many positive replies either on the forum, in PM, or through +rep. I don't really take much mind to what anyone thinks of my posts in the political venue; I just like to make fun of Mad who has obviously blown a gasket.

People can hate me if they want to... it gives them some extra incentive to kill me on the BF2 servers.


Also, acknowledging that you could be ENTIRELY wrong in your opinions every once in a while never hurts. A healthy dose of skepticism in your writing would be very welcome.

Acknowledged. I've been entirely wrong a few times... Example: I used to be a liberal before I joined the Army and started getting regular pay checks.


And enough with the "registered independent" act, lol. If it walks like a Republican and if it talks like a Republican, it's a bloody Republican. It's like you're trying to be WiH's very own Bill O'reilly (NOT a compliment).

Well, I don't agree with everything that republicans say and do and I say so when I don't. So... I don't tow the party line. I *AM* technically registered as "no party affiliation."

Cheers...

[Ruci]

Acknowledged. I've been entirely wrong a few times... Example: I used to be a liberal before I joined the Army and started getting regular pay checks.


I was laughing out loud in my lab when I read this. Why would I laugh? Because it's so darn funny.

[Ruci]

And to be honest, I stopped watching cable news because it's so terrible. Every five minutes there's a NEWS ALERT because of some car chase or some attractive woman went missing. :wallbash:

Lets be honest here no one gives a flying floop if ugly women go disappearing. It's not nice, but it is how the world is.

[mr.hrundi]

Lets be honest here no one gives a flying floop if ugly women go disappearing. It's not nice, but it is how the world is.

I dont think it's about women disppearing, it's about the fact that they are even showing this, while there are hundreds of things taking place all over the world, which apply to thousands or even million of people instead of only ten or twenty.

I don't know how that is in the USA, but in germany we have two different "networks":
the newer ones are private, that means they are there to earn money. their program is made of commercials and sensations which aren't really important but entertaining. The news of those channels is nothing to take serious, and often they take sides.

The other, most of them there since the invention of TV, are getting their money from every single citizen. It's like some kind of tax. You'll rarely find commercials in their program. The news are very informative and as objective as possible (I still think a total objectivity can't exist), but on the other hand they sometimes are pretty boring. And that's the problem here: There are not enough people who really take the time to watch those news, they instead watch (if they do at all) tose of the private channels.

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